Can PAF Challenge IAF in the Future?

[Lankan Ranger]

Can PAF Challenge IAF in the Future?

Pakistan Air force

300 – JF-17 – Multi-role
36 – J-10B - Multi-role
42 – F-16 - Multi-role (Upgraded)
18 - F-16 - Multi-role (Block 52)
04 – IL-78 - Aerial refueller
18 – C-130 – Transport Plane
04 – Mi-17 - Transport Helicopter
04 – Saab 2000 Erieye - Airborne Early Warning and Control
04 - Y-8 F600 - Airborne Early Warning and Control

Future Plans

150 – J-10B Expected


Indian Air force

230 – Su-30MKI - Multi-role
60 – Mig-29SMT - Multi-role (Upgraded)
40 – Mirage 2000 - Multi-role (Upgraded)
200 – TejasMK2 - Multi-role
80 - MiG-27UPG - Ground Attack (Upgraded)
90 - An-32 - Medium Transport (Upgraded)
18 - Il-76 - Heavy Transport (Upgraded)
03 - IL-76 Phalcon - Airborne Early Warning and Control
06 - IL-78MKI - Aerial refueller
180 – Mi-17 - Transport Helicopter
20 – Mi-35 - Attack helicopter
06 – C-130J - Transport Plane
10 – C-17 III - Heavy Transport Plane

Future Plans

Su-30MKI - Additional 50 Expected. (Total 280 Su-30MKI jets)
IL-76 Phalcon – Additional 3 Expected (Total 6 IL-76 Phalcon AEW&C)
IL-78MKI - Additional 6 Expected (Total 12 IL-78MKI Air Tanker)
Embraer ERJ-145 – 3 Ordered (Total 6 Embraer ERJ-145 AEW&C Expected)
PAK FA (FGFA) – 100 Expected.
India's Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) programme is to acquire 126 Multi-Role aircrafts the program may be extended to acquire a total of 200 aircrafts.

 

[courageneverdies]

YES PAF CAN AND VERY EFFECTIVELY.

KIT Out

 

[Ruag]

Correction, India's future acquisitions is much more than you mentioned.

Below is the list of confirmed acquisition -

1) 250 5th generation fighter aircraft -

India to develop 25% of fifth generation fighter

2) 6 C-130J Hercules -

Aero India 2009 | Lockheed Martin

3) 45 HAL-Ilyushin Multi-purpose transport aircraft -

Il-214 / MTA, MTS

4) 10 Harop unmanned combat aircraft -

:: Bharat-Rakshak.com - Indian Military News Headlines ::

5) 3 Embraer AEW&CS

The Hindu : National : Brazilian jets to serve as eye in the sky for IAF

6) 65 Light Combat Helicopter

http://www.domainb.com/aero/June/2007/20070620_hal.htm

And this list does not even include those under advanced negotiations such as -

1) 126 to 200 medium combat aircraft -

India?s fighter shootout has the world?s eye: AINonline

2) 10 C-17 Globemaster -

Boeing: C-17 Globemaster III - C-17 Globemaster III Home

3) 384 Light Helicopters -

Govt pares order for foreign choppers from 384 to 197 - India - The Times of India

4) 22 Attack and 15 Heavy-Lift helicopters -

ASIAN DEFENCE: Tiger not participating in India's contest, Boeing to offer Apache

..and many more including HAL Tejas,

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Correction, India's future acquisitions is much more than you mentioned.

Below is the list of confirmed acquisition -

1) 250 5th generation fighter aircraft -

India to develop 25% of fifth generation fighter

Unless PAK-FA is a upgraded stealthy Su-27 and costs no more then 50 million dollars 250 fanboy claim is pretty much plausible.

..and many more including HAL Tejas,

Please please IAF. Do PAF a favor. buy as much super sakti tejas LCAs as much as you can.


One more thing.

If we are talking about future as 2015 then NO PAK-FA and NO 126 MRCA is included.
PAF is next priority is for induction of 5th generation stealth air crafts. J-xx or like French-brazil stealth project is one of them.

 

[amarnath]

Unless PAK-FA is a upgraded stealthy Su-27 and costs no more then 50 million dollars 250 fanboy claim is pretty much plausible.

My dear FGFA and PAK FA are both the same, and FGFA is the Indian twin seater version of PAK-FA, It has everything to be a fifth gen fighter like stealth,Super cruise etc... And please stop fantasizing... Wait for it to come. Even if its not Cheap, We have enough money to make and purchase it

Please please IAF. Do PAF a favor. buy as much super sakti tejas LCAs as much as you can.

We will be doing you that favour sir, dont worry.... We will certainly do that for you

One more thing.

If we are talking about future as 2015 then NO PAK-FA and NO 126 MRCA is included.
PAF is next priority is for induction of 5th generation stealth air crafts. J-xx or like French-brazil stealth project is one of them.

And one more thing, No J-xx till 2020.... Atleast FGFA will start production in 2017 to be safe, already prototypes have been made. And Pakistan is not contributing in J-XX so Dreaming about that is not fair buddy, Even if u dream of That U can never buy more than 50 of those... Where as India will produce FGFA and With the technology it gets MCA will be on its way too....

 

[Super Falcon]

telll u what ur pak-fa is still on drwing board it needs 7 to 8 more years to induct in your IAF wait till 2020 i know u dont understand this but it a fact and u have to live with it PAK-FA is not due till 2018 even russian make fast this project the history said it russian always double croosed u in money they will take as much as they can so they will make u wait more and in fastration u give them more money examples are aircraft carrier sir i hope u understand and stealth fighter jet making is not likw a walk in the park americans took 20 years to make it so stop seeing dreams sir our JF 17 took 10 years which is not stealth be in real world not in dreams and russian never have tech of staelth now they got but they have to go through big period of testing sir

 

[DavyJones]

PAF is a defensive air force which will try and prevent IAF from taking over the Pak skies. IAF is not yet equipped to gain air superiority over Pak skies. It is moving in that direction though. 126 Rafales or Eurofighters could help the IAF become a dominant force as Pak will have nothing to counter their threat.

 

[Ruag]

Unless PAK-FA is a upgraded stealthy Su-27 and costs no more then 50 million dollars 250 fanboy claim is pretty much plausible.

Duh! PAK-FA and its derivative are going to be stealthy. According to Indian officials, in its current form, the PAK-FA prototype has a RCS 0.5 m2 and with further development, it is going to go down further.

And $50 million? That is mostly irrelevant. The Su-30MKI already costs $43 million and India is willing to cough up to $12 billion just for 126 medium-range fighter jets. And hello! India has already committed $10 billion just for the development of the FGFA. So do you think India would be seriously concerned even if each FGFA costs $50 million+?

Unfortunately for you, we don't rely on IMF and Uncle Sam to generate funds.

Please please IAF. Do PAF a favor. buy as much super sakti tejas LCAs as much as you can.

Considering the fact that our opponent deploys JF-17s, I really think IAF should buy more LCA Tejas.

Afterall, why spend millions of dollars buying stealthy aircraft to shoot down dodos?

One more thing.

If we are talking about future as 2015 then NO PAK-FA and NO 126 MRCA is included.
PAF is next priority is for induction of 5th generation stealth air crafts. J-xx or like French-brazil stealth project is one of them.

First secure funds to buy these jets, issue a request for proposal and hold field trials and then talk.

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P.S. If someone took offense to the Dodo remark, I apologize. Do not wish to start a flame war here.

 

[ayibarishi]

i agree super falcon. russia, china, japan or another country begining to have 5th. generation original fighter jets 2015-2020 period at least.

another question: what is the stealth capability importance? in this technology age, we can find and tracking fighter in the any of special feature. heat signature, uv shadow, electromagnetic trace, atmosphere reaction, different sound wavebands, composite titanium aluminium and other spesific materials reaction (magnetic anormally or somekind)... i believe us have many of these. because they're pumping the stealth fighter ace in this time.

another notice: we can't see yet stealth fighter in action against tough and strong minded enemy. human nature is the most important factor in the wars. and this nature bring many unbelievable solutions and tactics in war.

 

[amarnath]

telll u what ur pak-fa is still on drwing board it needs 7 to 8 more years to induct in your IAF wait till 2020 i know u dont understand this but it a fact and u have to live with it PAK-FA is not due till 2018 even russian make fast this project the history said it russian always double croosed u in money they will take as much as they can so they will make u wait more and in fastration u give them more money examples are aircraft carrier sir i hope u understand and stealth fighter jet making is not likw a walk in the park americans took 20 years to make it so stop seeing dreams sir our JF 17 took 10 years which is not stealth be in real world not in dreams and russian never have tech of staelth now they got but they have to go through big period of testing sir

tell u what, prototype is already made and are going to power it with Saturn 117S engines (about 14.5 tons of thrust each). Iam surprised by ur shear Ignorance on how the defense deals work, Admiral ghorskhov Is costly but is coming with additional features which is well worth the wait and money. You JF-17 is not a topic coz India and russia developed suk 30 mki in the 90's and is still 10 times better than JF-17's , and sukhoi 30 is getting stealthier for your information.. If US take 20 years its not necessary that Russia shoult take even more, anyway, this prog nstarted in 1980's and in 2006 India joined in....

 

[Super Falcon]

even if prototype is made it needs trials for 2 years than 4 to 5 years to complete the IAF required PAKFA fighter jets with another 7 years iaf is not only getting it russia also wants it in its airforce air

 

[Super Falcon]

i agree super falcon. russia, china, japan or another country begining to have 5th. generation original fighter jets 2015-2020 period at least.

another question: what is the stealth capability importance? in this technology age, we can find and tracking fighter in the any of special feature. heat signature, uv shadow, electromagnetic trace, atmosphere reaction, different sound wavebands, composite titanium aluminium and other spesific materials reaction (magnetic anormally or somekind)... i believe us have many of these. because they're pumping the stealth fighter ace in this time.

another notice: we can't see yet stealth fighter in action against tough and strong minded enemy. human nature is the most important factor in the wars. and this nature bring many unbelievable solutions and tactics in war.

sir thanx for agrreing with me anyway as u said their is a solution of all probleums yes but the S-400 already arrived to counter stealth threat it is electomagnetic pulse to get these steath babes on the radars

 

[Super Falcon]

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all middle eastern countries will get it saudi already ordered them

 

[Super Falcon]

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[amarnath]

even if prototype is made it needs trials for 2 years than 4 to 5 years to complete the IAF required PAKFA fighter jets with another 7 years iaf is not only getting it russia also wants it in its airforce air

Thats true, so what was wrong with my data, of production of FGFA in 2017 as I said? U yourself said it now... so why was there a need for so much discussion?