Can Muslims trust Hindus

[Protest_again]

You are aware of the irony that you have over 2600 posts on PDF, a PAKISTANI PLATFORM? When are you leaving?

As soon as this Pakistani platform stops discussing India.

 

[Iltutmish]

As soon as this Pakistani platform stops discussing India.

And Indian platforms never talk about Pakistan? Do you tell them too not to discuss Pakistan?

 

[Protest_again]

And Indian platforms never talk about Pakistan? Do you tell them too not to discuss Pakistan?

Of course. You can join there and defend your country. You just have to develop tough skin for criticism.

 

[xeuss]

This thread is much ado about nothing.

In India, nobody trusts anyone.

Er...let me correct that...only the brain dead bhakts trust Modi. Everyone else knows they are on their own.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

In the light of recent events happening in Bharat I'm starting to wonder again as if Muslims residing there can trust her Hindu populous (I. E. the liberal hindu breed).

When I say liberal I am referring to the one's standing against the right wing mindset and raising the voice of the oppressed without any discrimination (though they may choose a certain strata to focus, which is understandable given you can't do everything). But as we dig deeper into the lives and works of these liberals and as the current members of this club move forward in life, their actions and reactions (sometimes non action) shows their true intent and pulls down the chaddar of liberalism exposing the real personal interest.

Let's look at the current happenings there, recently Umar Khalid has been taken under arrest under sedition which is normal in todays bharat and nothing unexpected.

But what turns my mind is an absence of a personality which grew its apparent value of being liberal at a very high pace recently and has been enjoying its dividends with a good chance of enjoying even more in the days to come. I'm referring to kanahiya here, the closest comrade of Umar Khalid. After the action on Umar there has been reactions from all the expected fronts except kanahiya. In the 16th Sept presser on the issue he was to be part of the speaking panel but despite people hoping to see him till the last second he was no where to be found. Actually this isn't a surprise at all he has been distancing away from direct opposition to Modi in recent times, his tone, matter, and latency of response on CAA related arrests says alot and his response on lack of support to Umar is nothing different.

So what's the catch here?

My point is simple I just want to honestly warn my Muslim brothers (especially the younger ones) living there to understand that the Hindus will never be with you. They will always try to turn you over to their side or use you as a ledder and then forget that you ever existed. Don't be fooled by the cabal of elite hindu liberals also they are the same.

In the light of recent events happening in Bharat I'm starting to wonder again as if Muslims residing there can trust her Hindu populous (I. E. the liberal hindu breed).

When I say liberal I am referring to the one's standing against the right wing mindset and raising the voice of the oppressed without any discrimination (though they may choose a certain strata to focus, which is understandable given you can't do everything). But as we dig deeper into the lives and works of these liberals and as the current members of this club move forward in life, their actions and reactions (sometimes non action) shows their true intent and pulls down the chaddar of liberalism exposing the real personal interest.

Let's look at the current happenings there, recently Umar Khalid has been taken under arrest under sedition which is normal in todays bharat and nothing unexpected.

But what turns my mind is an absence of a personality which grew its apparent value of being liberal at a very high pace recently and has been enjoying its dividends with a good chance of enjoying even more in the days to come. I'm referring to kanahiya here, the closest comrade of Umar Khalid. After the action on Umar there has been reactions from all the expected fronts except kanahiya. In the 16th Sept presser on the issue he was to be part of the speaking panel but despite people hoping to see him till the last second he was no where to be found. Actually this isn't a surprise at all he has been distancing away from direct opposition to Modi in recent times, his tone, matter, and latency of response on CAA related arrests says alot and his response on lack of support to Umar is nothing different.

So what's the catch here?

My point is simple I just want to honestly warn my Muslim brothers (especially the younger ones) living there to understand that the Hindus will never be with you. They will always try to turn you over to their side or use you as a ledder and then forget that you ever existed. Don't be fooled by the cabal of elite hindu liberals also they are the same.

WHOEVER indian Mulsims trust or not, whatever indian Muslims do or don't do is NOT the business of Pakistan or Pakistanis. indian Muslims hate Pakistan and Pakistanis just as much as the indian hindus and sikhs do. They too are our enemies. Please don't for get that.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

As soon as this Pakistani platform stops discussing India.

Who are you to suppress free speech? If you don't like it, leave, as the honourable member suggested.

 

[Protest_again]

Who are you to suppress free speech? If you don't like it, leave, as the honourable member suggested.

When did I suppress free speech? He was making suggestion instead of discussion. So I suggested that he has no say in what happens in India.

To which he replied why am I here? Obviously for one I am here for India and two, because I am allowed to.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

When did I suppress free speech? He was making suggestion instead of discussion. So I suggested that he has no say in what happens in India.

To which he replied why am I here? Obviously for one I am here for India and two, because I am allowed to.

I'm not clear because you have contradicted yourself here. Is he allowed to make a suggestion about India or not? Surely if you tolerate and advocate for simple free speech, then he or anyone else is allowed to make such a suggestion. It's quite simple. Either you tolerate it or you don't.

If this simplicity does not compute with you, then why are you even living in a "secular republic" that prides itself ad nauseam on supposedly having abandoned strict dogma on favour of rational thought?

 

[Protest_again]

I'm not clear because you have contradicted yourself here. Is he allowed to make a suggestion about India or not? Surely if you tolerate and advocate for simple free speech, then he or anyone else is allowed to make such a suggestion. It's quite simple. Either you tolerate it or you don't.

If this simplicity does not compute with you, then why are you even living in a "secular republic" that prides itself ad nauseam on supposedly having abandoned strict dogma on favour of rational thought?

Let me make it simple. His suggestion is well taken but it has no relevance. It is unsolicited. I merely said about the futility of such exercise since he is not an Indian.I also made a detailed comment what I thought of his suggestion.

How would you react if I make suggestion on how to run your country? It is unnecessary. You should know better about your country than I do. So in that wisdom I wouldn't. I would point at the faults with the present dispensation but that would the extent of my criticism.

 

[PradoTLC]

In the light of recent events happening in Bharat I'm starting to wonder again as if Muslims residing there can trust her Hindu populous (I. E. the liberal hindu breed).

When I say liberal I am referring to the one's standing against the right wing mindset and raising the voice of the oppressed without any discrimination (though they may choose a certain strata to focus, which is understandable given you can't do everything). But as we dig deeper into the lives and works of these liberals and as the current members of this club move forward in life, their actions and reactions (sometimes non action) shows their true intent and pulls down the chaddar of liberalism exposing the real personal interest.

Let's look at the current happenings there, recently Umar Khalid has been taken under arrest under sedition which is normal in todays bharat and nothing unexpected.

But what turns my mind is an absence of a personality which grew its apparent value of being liberal at a very high pace recently and has been enjoying its dividends with a good chance of enjoying even more in the days to come. I'm referring to kanahiya here, the closest comrade of Umar Khalid. After the action on Umar there has been reactions from all the expected fronts except kanahiya. In the 16th Sept presser on the issue he was to be part of the speaking panel but despite people hoping to see him till the last second he was no where to be found. Actually this isn't a surprise at all he has been distancing away from direct opposition to Modi in recent times, his tone, matter, and latency of response on CAA related arrests says alot and his response on lack of support to Umar is nothing different.

So what's the catch here?

My point is simple I just want to honestly warn my Muslim brothers (especially the younger ones) living there to understand that the Hindus will never be with you. They will always try to turn you over to their side or use you as a ledder and then forget that you ever existed. Don't be fooled by the cabal of elite hindu liberals also they are the same.

No

hindus are un trust worthy ....

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Let me make it simple. His suggestion is well taken but it has no relevance. It is unsolicited. I merely said about the futility of such exercise since he is not an Indian.I also made a detailed comment what I thought of his suggestion.

So free speech is fine, as long as it's (a) relevant by your interpretation, (b) solicited in some specific way despite being an open forum, and (c) not "futile" as per your subjective interpretation?

I would have thought the only limitations should be in terms of objectively definable hate-speech or something similar. Guess I was wrong.

Thanks for clarifying what free speech in an open forum is.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

No.

 

[Protest_again]

So free speech is fine, as long as it's (a) relevant by your interpretation, (b) solicited in some specific way despite being an open forum, and (c) not "futile" as per your subjective interpretation?

I would have thought the only limitations should be in terms of objectively definable hate-speech or something similar. Guess I was wrong.

Thanks for clarifying what free speech in an open forum is.

So next time I come and discuss Pakistan internal matters in some thread, I can count on your support then? Obviously free speech is free speech.

I hope you'll defend me from hounding by other PDFers with abusive words. I will sure to tag you next time. Thanks for support.

 

[madlemon50]

Unfortunately no, I have dealt with Indians more specifically Hindus and most of them have two faces, don't mention about business dealing they always want cheap and complain all the little stuffs too much. Honestly is definitely not their characteristic, ask any tradie in the western world most of them will say the most disliked customers are them.

Muslims however are a complete different spectrum, I dealt with them throughout Asia and also the western world, most of them are honest and down to earth, they are the most pleasant people to deal business and form friendship with.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

So next time I come and discuss Pakistan internal matters in some thread, I can count on your support then? Obviously free speech is free speech.

I hope you'll defend me from hounding by other PDFers with abusive words. I will sure to tag you next time. Thanks for support.

If I apply the same measures of legitimacy to your posts as you choose to do with others, you will find that 99% of what you say will quickly be shut down. Make sure your comments are (a) relevant, (b) solicited, and (c) not "futile" from now on... all as per my interpretation, naturally.