Can Muslims trust Hindus

[Protest_again]

So can someone please explain how these agricultural acts are against farmers? It freed farmers from going through traders. It allowed farmers to directly sell their produce to food processing industries, big organised retailers through negotiated contracts and as such those industries will help farmers in providing capital, technology etc.

It is best agricultural reform that happened in Independent India. It will double the farmers income by 2024.

Indian farmers because of their small land holdings are deprived of revenue which allow them to invest heavily in technology, machinery etc. Through contract farming, multiple farmers combine to form farmer association and they negotiate with industry to produce to their requirements. To that extent the over supply and lower demand that is happening today will be curtailed. It helps in crop diversification. They no longer have to depend on govt to buy their produce. Govt cannot buy each and everything they produce.

It will also boost organic farming given it is a niche market these days, Industry can ask farmers to take up such farming for assured returns.

Imagine the boost it gives to horticulture. It will encourage farmers to produce quality flowers and fruits that the market needs.

Also exports will get a boost. Right now, farmers are going through APMC markets who buy their produce at minimum support price with no regard to quality of produce. As such farmers instead of producing quality rice and wheat, are producing higher yield mediocre quality rice and wheat. So to improve their take home money. APMC's also charge them for the trade.

Export businesses could directly deal with farmers with the intent to export the produce while giving them training in quality standards required for such.

Industries also in return will invest in technology, training and provide capital to raise their productivity. It's a big win for farmers.

 

[SrNair]

In the light of recent events happening in Bharat I'm starting to wonder again as if Muslims residing there can trust her Hindu populous (I. E. the liberal hindu breed).

When I say liberal I am referring to the one's standing against the right wing mindset and raising the voice of the oppressed without any discrimination (though they may choose a certain strata to focus, which is understandable given you can't do everything). But as we dig deeper into the lives and works of these liberals and as the current members of this club move forward in life, their actions and reactions (sometimes non action) shows their true intent and pulls down the chaddar of liberalism exposing the real personal interest.

Let's look at the current happenings there, recently Umar Khalid has been taken under arrest under sedition which is normal in todays bharat and nothing unexpected.

But what turns my mind is an absence of a personality which grew its apparent value of being liberal at a very high pace recently and has been enjoying its dividends with a good chance of enjoying even more in the days to come. I'm referring to kanahiya here, the closest comrade of Umar Khalid. After the action on Umar there has been reactions from all the expected fronts except kanahiya. In the 16th Sept presser on the issue he was to be part of the speaking panel but despite people hoping to see him till the last second he was no where to be found. Actually this isn't a surprise at all he has been distancing away from direct opposition to Modi in recent times, his tone, matter, and latency of response on CAA related arrests says alot and his response on lack of support to Umar is nothing different.

So what's the catch here?

My point is simple I just want to honestly warn my Muslim brothers (especially the younger ones) living there to understand that the Hindus will never be with you. They will always try to turn you over to their side or use you as a ledder and then forget that you ever existed. Don't be fooled by the cabal of elite hindu liberals also they are the same.

Your country is in a total mess so that the literally running here and there for survival .But had enough time to read the domestic affairs in India.
My point , for us Indians Pakistan is a foreign nation like any other nation.
Noone cares what foreigners opinion here

 

[hussain0216]

Your country is in a total mess so that the literally running here and there for survival .But had enough time to read the domestic affairs in India.
My point , for us Indians Pakistan is a foreign nation like any other nation.
Noone cares what foreigners opinion here

Hindutawadiwadi is a threat to all south Asia

Ignoring it is not a option

 

[SrNair]

Hindutawadiwadi is a threat to all south Asia

Ignoring it is not a option

Live in your la la land.Everything in India will be accountable and everyone will obey the laws here.
Just mind in your own business and develop your country noone will bother you.We dont care about religious shit here not anymore.We cares about the development .

 

[SrNair]

So can someone please explain how these agricultural acts are against farmers? It freed farmers from going through traders. It allowed farmers to directly sell their produce to food processing industries, big organised retailers through negotiated contracts and as such those industries will help farmers in providing capital, technology etc.

It is best agricultural reform that happened in Independent India. It will double the farmers income by 2024.

Indian farmers because of their small land holdings are deprived of revenue which allow them to invest heavily in technology, machinery etc. Through contract farming, multiple farmers combine to form farmer association and they negotiate with industry to produce to their requirements. To that extent the over supply and lower demand that is happening today will be curtailed. It helps in crop diversification. They no longer have to depend on govt to buy their produce. Govt cannot buy each and everything they produce.

It will also boost organic farming given it is a niche market these days, Industry can ask farmers to take up such farming for assured returns.

Imagine the boost it gives to horticulture. It will encourage farmers to produce quality flowers and fruits that the market needs.

Also exports will get a boost. Right now, farmers are going through APMC markets who buy their produce at minimum support price with no regard to quality of produce. As such farmers instead of producing quality rice and wheat, are producing higher yield mediocre quality rice and wheat. So to improve their take home money. APMC's also charge them for the trade.

Export businesses could directly deal with farmers with the intent to export the produce while giving them training in quality standards required for such.

Industries also in return will invest in technology, training and provide capital to raise their productivity. It's a big win for farmers.

The middle men are totally fucked up.Thats why they are crying now.And farmers have a lots of options here also

 

[Iltutmish]

We dont care about religious shit here not anymore.We cares about the development .

So Hinduism is going to be outlawed soon in India?

 

[SrNair]

So Hinduism is going to be outlawed soon in India?

Hinduism will be here until the end of the days and will remain as the prominent decision makers also.All other religion can mind in their own business .And live well without try to make issues with foreign support .For the nation development to become a powerful nation us priority . Our GoI dont give undue importance to any religion but Hinduism will remain as the face of India because that is our own culture.Infact Hinduism,Sikhism and 100s of other indigenous beliefs will get tgeir respect as per our Constitution

 

[Protest_again]

Hinduism will be here until the end of the days and will remain as the prominent decision makers also.All other religion can mind in their own business .And live well without try to make issues with foreign support .For the nation development to become a powerful nation us priority . Our GoI dont give undue importance to any religion but Hinduism will remain as the face of India because that is our own culture.Infact Hinduism,Sikhism and 100s of other indigenous beliefs will get tgeir respect as per our Constitution

He wants Islam to be face of India. If he wanted that Mohammad Ali Jinnah should have not divided this country. Today India is the homeland for Non-abrahamic religions. Islam will not control the destiny of this country. They are free to follow their religion with in the confines of their homes and with in the limitations of the constitution. Any dissent to the otherwise need to crushed and will be crushed. Indians cannot be allowed to be partial to foreign lands (read arab). Nationalism over religionism should be the motto in India

 

[hussain0216]

Live in your la la land.Everything in India will be accountable and everyone will obey the laws here.
Just mind in your own business and develop your country noone will bother you.We dont care about religious shit here not anymore.We cares about the development .

What the hell are you talking about

India has become a hindutva extremist communal shithole, especially over the last 6 years

This is effecting all of South Asia

This cannot be tolerated




This is why South Asia supports China against Hindutva India

 

[SrNair]

What the hell are you talking about

India has become a hindutva extremist communal shithole, especially over the last 6 years

This is effecting all of South Asia

This cannot be tolerated




This is why South Asia supports China against Hindutva India

Even if entire world comes we dont care at all.Simple Because that is the decision of our people in India .Noone cares whether somebody support Chinese or not .Chinese will get their reply sooner or later

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Even if entire world comes we dont care at all.Simple Because that is the decision of our people in India .Noone cares whether somebody support Chinese or not .Chinese will get their reply sooner or later

HI!!!!!!!!!!

- PRTP GWD

 

[SrNair]

He wants Islam to be face of India. If he wanted that Mohammad Ali Jinnah should have not divided this country. Today India is the homeland for Non-abrahamic religions. Islam will not control the destiny of this country. They are free to follow their religion with in the confines of their homes and with in the limitations of the constitution. Any dissent to the otherwise need to crushed and will be crushed. Indians cannot be allowed to be partial to foreign lands (read arab). Nationalism over religionism should be the motto in India

Absolutely.Nationalism is the priority .Legally anyone can come here but illegally noone will be allowed. From what we can see here is that our neighbours are too much concerned about what happens India by completely ignoring that they are noone to concern about us .

 

[Iltutmish]

In order to answer the question:

- Hindus and Muslims are two distinct, let's say the most distinct, entities. Our Heroes are their enemies, our religious believes are not compatible to each other, Muslims are disgusted when they see pictures of Hindu gods and Hindus cannot bear the fact that Muslims eat beef and so on and so forth. Feel-good-Slogans cannot help in this matter ("Hindu-Muslim-Bhai-Bhai" and other BS like that).

- Of course there are personal friendships between Hindus and Muslims and this is possible. My father was attacked in the 1980ies by a 2 Meter drunk German guy who uttered racist slurs against Turkish people. An Indian (Hindu) colleague of him helped him to push him back and called the police. Personal relationships are different from relationsships between states.

- The only solution is that nobody is forced to do things that are contrary to their religion. Non-Interference is the key. Hindus do their stuff, Muslims do theirs. No force, no interference, no insults, no quota systems. I personally like the way how Singapore handle this. A Muslim woman wearing a headscarf is president of the country, she doesn't have to hide her religion in order to be successful. It's simply her business, even though the majority of the country isn't Muslim. Let Meritocracy be the common ground!

Western style nationalism cannot be implemented in countries that are divided in so many ways. Religion, ethnicitiy, culture, language and so much more. Just ignore all of this and start a majoritarian enforcement of "uniformity" (that specifically targets Muslims in India)? I think some people in India (AND Pakistan) have to emancipate from the notion that everything Western is good for the country. No, it's not. Especially if you have to enforce it like that knowing that this will defenitely lead to civil unrest.

 

[Protest_again]

In order to answer the question:

- Hindus and Muslims are two distinct, let's say the most distinct, entities. Our Heroes are their enemies, our religious believes are not compatible to each other, Muslims are disgusted when they see pictures of Hindu gods and Hindus cannot bear the fact that Muslims eat beef and so on and so forth. Feel-good-Slogans cannot help in this matter ("Hindu-Muslim-Bhai-Bhai" and other BS like that).

- Of course there are personal friendships between Hindus and Muslims and this is possible. My father was attacked in the 1980ies by a 2 Meter drunk German guy who uttered racist slurs against Turkish people. An Indian (Hindu) colleague of him helped him to push him back and called the police. Personal relationships are different from relationsships between states.

- The only solution is that nobody is forced to do things that are contrary to their religion. Non-Interference is the key. Hindus do their stuff, Muslims do theirs. No force, no interference, no insults, no quota systems. I personally like the way how Singapore handle this. A Muslim woman wearing a headscarf is president of the country, she doesn't have to hide her religion in order to be successful. It's simply her business, even though the majority of the country isn't Muslim. Let Meritocracy be the common ground!

Western style nationalism cannot be implemented in countries that are divided in so many ways. Religion, ethnicitiy, culture, language and so much more. Just ignore all of this and start a majoritarian enforcement of "uniformity" (that specifically targets Muslims in India)? I think some people in India (AND Pakistan) have to emancipate from the notion that everything Western is good for the country. No, it's not. Especially if you have to enforce it like that knowing that this will defenitely lead to civil unrest.

You are talking about India where you have no say. But let me explain.

We are okay with all what you said except when religion interferes with nationalism. We can't have muslims supporting an enemy country for religious reasons. That is where the contention is. Also people of subcontinent have not evolved, religious dogma still keeps them poor and uneducated. There are superstitions that are impediment to individual development and in return country's development. It is upto state to help them overcome those even if it requires forceful implementation. Look at China, how it progressed.

Religion should stay personal. Laws enacted including cow slaughter laws should be adhered to. No religion can be above state.

 

[Iltutmish]

You are talking about India where you have no say. Let's Indians handle this. Thank you.

You are aware of the irony that you have over 2600 posts on PDF, a PAKISTANI PLATFORM? When are you leaving?