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Can Muslims sing "Vande_Mataram"?

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A.R. Rehman has been singing Vande-Mataram and that to on T.V., the funny part is he also does his namaz 5 times a day and keeps rojas and all, so now will Allah move his prayers to the junk folder from the inbox

The same Deoband gave a fatwa against getting photographed, or now do you choose fatwa's as per you need
Shahrukh Khan bows his head in front of idols, I personally believe these guys are confused about their own religion and are ready to compromise on their beliefs just to fit in. They are free to do as they please, others should be free to do as they please and reject the Vande Mataram.
 
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One more analogy I want to point here.. Before partition, Allama Iqbal sang "Sare Jahan se acchha Hindusitaan hamara"..its literal meaning is that "The best place in the world is Hindu's place".. right? Do you consider him Muslim or not?
Hindustan was the name of the land for all Indians. It was just the name.

Later Allama Iqbal, disillusioned by the Congress, seeded the concept of Pakistan and went to England to get Jinnah back and lead the Tehreek-e-Pakistan.
 
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@kugga
Respecting motherland is not against thouheed.Consider this example,your brother consider your father as god.does that mean you should not respect your father?Everyone loves and respects their mother land be it indian or chinese or american muslims and singing "i respect you motherland"does not make them kafir

Respecting Motherland and worshipping motherland are two different things....
 
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@kugga
Respecting motherland is not against thouheed.Consider this example,your brother consider your father as god.does that mean you should not respect your father?Everyone loves and respects their mother land be it indian or chinese or american muslims and singing "i respect you motherland"does not make them kafir
Respecting has nothing to do with bowing your head down.
 
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What we see here is a taliban style interpretation of "vande mataram".Firstly "i bow to thee" can either mean bowing out of submission(as muslims bow five times a day)and bowing out of respect(like indians bow their heads before teachers and chinese bows at each other,where no submission is meant)And mother here can means mythical bharatmata or just " mother land".If i mean "i respect you motherland"is there any shirk in it?I am 100%sure muslims mean only "i respect you mother land"when they sing that song.Don't islam teaches that ones action will be judged on his intention? please refrain from calling them munafiqs/kafir for singing that
A a lot of pakistani groups have damaged the image of islam and stability of pakistan by calling some other groups (and sometimes establishment) kafirs and killing and bombing whom they consider kafirs.If you guys haven't learned anything from that,from the weekly fireworks,please continue to do so but please leave indian muslims out of it.

What i mean to say is calling someone else munafiqs without knowing their heart will create problems which can evidently be seen in present state of pakistan.So "can indian muslims sing vande mataram"is to be decided based on their interpretation of this song,quran and sunnah and not by some takfiri pakistanis who are famous for killing each other/bombing sufi shrines/bombing religious centres and processions of opposite sects etc accusing them of takfir.I request mods to close this thread because the question"can xxxx do xxxx islamically" is one of the root causes of many troubles in pakistan and else where.
It is typical ignorant interpretation calling it Taliban style. This is basic Islam. It's like one of the first things we learn as a Muslim child, you bow your head to no one but Allah.
 
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Shahrukh Khan bows his head in front of idols, I personally believe these guys are confused about their own religion and are ready to compromise on their beliefs just to fit in. They are free to do as they please, others should be free to do as they please and reject the Vande Mataram.

Respecting other people's religion is called secularism, people should be free to do things fair enough but if some fellow is secular does than mean he is no longer a Muslim
 
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It is typical ignorant interpretation calling it Taliban style. This is basic Islam. It's like one of the first things we learn as a Muslim child, you bow your head to no one but Allah.

But you bow your head when you say adaab, why? Because you show respect and not because you worship the one you are saying adaab to
 
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Respecting other people's religion is called secularism, people should be free to do things fair enough but if some fellow is secular does than mean he is no longer a Muslim
Haha, how Indian. Confused about what secularism is? Respecting other people's beliefs has nothing to do with Secularism. That is only how it is taught in India and I correct them all the time.

Secularism is simply the separation of governance and religion. I don't have to respect Vande Mataram to be secular, I can reject it, but what I can't do is force you to reject it. Neither can you force me to accept it.
 
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But you bow your head when you say adaab, why? Because you show respect and not because you worship the one you are saying adaab to
Adaab has nothing to do with Islam. We shake hands, look the person straight in the eye and say Asalamalaykum while greeting others.
 
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Haha, how Indian. Confused about what secularism is? Respecting other people's beliefs has nothing to do with Secularism. That is only how it is taught in India and I correct them all the time.

Secularism is simply the separation of governance and religion. I don't have to respect Vande Mataram to be secular, I can reject it, but what I can't do is force you to reject it. Neither can you force me to accept it.

Yups your definition of secularism and mine are different, you don't have to respect Vande Mataram and hence I won't respect your beliefs and then I am free to sketch Mohammad, isn't it? then to I will be secular, right???
 
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Hindustan was the name of the land for all Indians. It was just the name.
Come on AA, aren't you here being again selective with literal meaning and poetic meaning. The same we are saying in whole thread, I dont know what so ever is the literal meaning of 'Vande Matram' but it was treated as respect to the nation. It has been sung by many muslims before '47 as well.
Later Allama Iqbal, disillusioned by the Congress, seeded the concept of Pakistan and went to England to get Jinnah back and lead the Tehreek-e-Pakistan.
My respect for Iqbal an your nation is not lessen by such comments. This is just analogy for the discussion.
 
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Yups your definition of secularism and mine are different, you don't have to respect Vande Mataram and hence I won't respect your beliefs and then I am free to sketch Mohammad, isn't it? then to I will be secular, right???
You are free to sketch Muhammad, I'm free to dislike you for it.

That's how freedom works.

My version of secularism is the precise definition of it.
 
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Adaab has nothing to do with Islam. We shake hands, look the person straight in the eye and say Asalamalaykum while greeting others.

So who uses Adaab, the Chinese??? So now you want to say Muslims who do adaab are not muslims?
 
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Respecting has nothing to do with bowing your head down.

This whole discussion has nothing to discuss about "bowing". Some posters just said it is same as "Bowing to the nation". "Vande Mataram" means "I pray to Mother (who synomically represent to our Nation)".
 
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Come on AA, aren't you here being again selective with literal meaning and poetic meaning. The same we are saying in whole thread, I dont know what so ever is the literal meaning of 'Vande Matram' but it was treated as respect to the nation. It has been sung by many muslims before '47 as well.
The literal meaning is to bow to the Mother...

The elaboration if you read the full Vande Mataram is that "to Mother Durga".

We all know Durga is the mythical Goddess that Hindus believe in. There by making the Vande Mataram wrong for Muslims in letter and in spirit.

My respect for Iqbal an your nation is not lessen by such comments. This is just analogy for the discussion.
There was nothing wrong with the comment in the first place, we're proud and thankful for this deed.
 
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