Can India & Pakistan come out of the spiral of mutual destruction ?

[GumNaam]

seeing the destruction in Europe and the never ending animosity between our 2 countries, I was wondering whether the lessons of Europe can result in our 2 countries overcoming fixed positions, like Pakistan's kashmir only policy , and aim for normal relations between us ?
Why I mention kashmir is because India has no such single condition for normalcy.
We are just wasting the resources of 2 impoverished countries on a arms race .

so as long as india's hindutva ideology exists and so as long as even the secular indians have this ill conceived idea that they should somehow be the big brother on the block, there will not be any piece. give up Kashmir, give them their rights as you promised and bring your l yourself down to the level that you are no one special, then we can talk. otherwise understand that us Muslims don't believe in peace without justice, The Holy Quran dictates (yes, DICTATES) that persecution is worse than slaughter, if you continue persecution of Kashmiris, we will continue to slaughter you. and your army knows well the magnitude of infiltration and how it has bogged down over 90% of your army stranded on the streets of iiok instead of being in barracks, borders and training grounds. your army knows well that the world turns a blind eye to the massive infiltration, your army knows well the demoralizing effects it is having on the indian foot soldiers, your army knows well that they are in no position to retaliate or otherwise stop the infiltration.

if you want peace, stop the persecution.

 

[.King.]

indic is not a racial descriptor. For example, a North African is racially different to a Sub-Saharn African but both races are referred to as African. In the same way, 99.9% of Pakistanis have 0 racial or genetic connection to south/central and most North indians. Pathans and other Nomadic Persianized tribes make up nearly 40% of Pakistan's population yet have 0 genetic or racial links to india. Pakistani Punjabis who make up approximately 55% of Pakistan's population have racial or genetic links to around 2% of indians. Therefore at least 98% of indians have 0 racial/genetic links to Pakistan.







........read the following carefully....... :

India-China relations and the geopolitics of water | Lowy Institute

Control over key rivers effectively gives China a chokehold on India’s economy – and poses a wider regional threat.

www.lowyinstitute.org

China can block the source to the brahmaputra...........

1)You still have not identified the supposed racial affiliations.

2)Yeah, the "source". That source gives 13% of the water. India can comfortably use the other 87%, which china has 0 control over. We dont use most of it, to help out Bangladesh agro economy. If needed, we could easily take it.

The fundamental issue is not religion.

The fundamental issue is the lack of total decolonization since British left. A fake Azadi.

They just handed over the entire colony, with their conquered territory, their administrative set up, the British built infrastructure and industries to the local elites (who dominated Congress).

What this means for the rest of the population is colonization would continue under Hindu upper castes.

This is what drove Muslims to unite and resist continued colonization under Hindu elites. Without this threat it's unthinkable that a Bengali Muslim, a Punjabi Muslim and a Pashtun Muslim would unite under one flag.

What do we have in common with Punjabi Muslims? Nothing. By jumping on the Pakistani bandwagon, we got rid of the Brahmins who owned all the land in East Bengal. 1971 was inevitable, but kicking Brahmins out in '47 was not.

India has an interest in occupying the Pakistan region, not only Kashmir. This threat, and the Kashmir issue, keeps Pakistan united. Religion is wrongly perceived as the single most powerful force that keeps them united. Pakistanis, though racially, culturally, and linguistically are a far more cohesive unit than the Indians (a continent basically), they are still a federation of nations like India. When India balkanizes and returns to it's pre-colonial state, that might in turn trigger breakdown of Pakistan into ethnic states.

Trust me, India has very little interest in occupying all of pakistan. Most Indians do not want to deal with the mess of religious indoctrination, radicalism, terrorism, and whatnot that has become normalised. The only people who want all of pakistan are fringe "Akhand Bharat" guys, and they actually dont want the pakistani population either - They call for taking the land and pushing out the people, which is why no one takes it seriously.

 

[Maira La]

1)You still have not identified the supposed racial affiliations.

Indians from different regions are racially different to each other. An average Tamil looks nothing like an average Punjabi or Monipuri. It's not rocket science.

 

[.King.]

so as long as india's hindutva ideology exists and so as long as even the secular indians have this ill conceived idea that they should somehow be the big brother on the block, there will not be any piece. give up Kashmir, give them their rights as you promised and bring your l yourself down to the level that you are no one special, then we can talk. otherwise understand that us Muslims don't believe in peace without justice, The Holy Quran dictates (yes, DICTATES) that persecution is worse than slaughter, if you continue persecution of Kashmiris, we will continue to slaughter you. and your army knows well the magnitude of infiltration and how it has bogged down over 90% of your army stranded on the streets of iiok instead of being in barracks, borders and training grounds. your army knows well that the world turns a blind eye to the massive infiltration, your army knows well the demoralizing effects it is having on the indian foot soldiers, your army knows well that they are in no position to retaliate or otherwise stop the infiltration.

if you want peace, stop the persecution.

Id ask you to see the videos of the terrorist who have surrendered to IA and given a second chance. You will realise how much of what your side tells you as fact is true and how much is a lie. Seee any independant journalists, no need to go by government sources.

Indians from different regions are racially different to each other. An average Tamil looks nothing like an average Punjabi or Monipuri. It's not rocket science.

Not how it works. Punjabis look the same on both sides of the border. Sindhis look the same on both sides. This racial difference theory is a load of bull, you can repeat it as much as you want. Name the race if it is separate.

 

[Joe Shearer]

The fundamental issue is not religion.

The fundamental issue is the lack of total decolonization since British left. A fake Azadi.

They just handed over the entire colony, with their conquered territory, their administrative set up, the British built infrastructure and industries to the local elites (who dominated Congress).

What this means for the rest of the population is colonization would continue under Hindu upper castes.

This is what drove Muslims to unite and resist continued colonization under Hindu elites. Without this threat it's unthinkable that a Bengali Muslim, a Punjabi Muslim and a Pashtun Muslim would unite under one flag.

What do we have in common with Punjabi Muslims? Nothing. By jumping on the Pakistani bandwagon, we got rid of the Brahmins who owned all the land in East Bengal. 1971 was inevitable, but kicking Brahmins out in '47 was not.

India has an interest in occupying the Pakistan region, not only Kashmir. This threat, and the Kashmir issue, keeps Pakistan united. Religion is wrongly perceived as the single most powerful force that keeps them united. Pakistanis, though racially, culturally, and linguistically are a far more cohesive unit than the Indians (a continent basically), they are still a federation of nations like India. When India balkanizes and returns to it's pre-colonial state, that might in turn trigger breakdown of Pakistan into ethnic states.

Nice.

...ছাগলে কি না খায়।

Indians from different regions are racially different to each other. An average Tamil looks nothing like an average Punjabi or Monipuri. It's not rocket science.

So much for genetics, so much for DNA.

 

[GumNaam]

Id ask you to see the videos of the terrorist who have surrendered to IA and given a second chance. You will realise how much of what your side tells you as fact is true and how much is a lie. Seee any independant journalists, no need to go by government sources.

topi dramay band karo, have mercy on your sainkis, resorting to your age old tradition of making fake videos to give yourself an illusion of grandeur isn't gonna change the ground reality that the ia is bleeding and bleeding profusely.

 

[Maira La]

Nice.

...ছাগলে কি না খায়।

Keep living in your bubble Uncle ji.

 

[Joe Shearer]

topi dramay band karo, have mercy on your sainkis, resorting to your age old tradition of making fake videos to give yourself an illusion of grandeur outsider

I told you.....

Keep living in your bubble Uncle ji.

So far, so good, ভাগ্নে|

 

[Maira La]

Not how it works. Punjabis look the same on both sides of the border. Sindhis look the same on both sides. This racial difference theory is a load of bull, you can repeat it as much as you want. Name the race if it is separate.

Yeah but how much of India is Punjabi Biradari .. 3%? 4%?

Of course Sindhis would look the same. After all they are migrants from Pakistan, not native to any region in India.

India as a continent hosts a multitude of races, just like Africa. Thinking of all Indians as one race, (or all Africans as one race.. who are in fact much more diverse than all people outside Africa), is a very Eurocentric view that should be rejected and fought back by all former colonial subject ethnicities with any sense of dignity.

 

[Joe Shearer]

we will continue to slaughter you. and your army knows well the magnitude of infiltration and how it has bogged down over 90% of your army stranded on the streets of iiok instead of being in barracks, borders and training grounds.

As long as these paper Taimurs breathe fire and smoke on the Internet, we have nothing to do, nothing to worry about. The moment they do something else, like getting off the keyboard and flying back to do a few of the things that like a million bits of carbon they float out into the clear, fresh air as a colloid, we could be in trouble.

Real trouble.

Airline fares might go up.

 

[Areesh]

The issue is fundamental. India believes that the entire basis for the formation of pakistan, the idea that muslims can not live together with other religions, is a flawed idea.

So to prove this idea flawed you hindus did:

Jammu genocide
Hyderabad Massacre
Bhiwandi Riots
Nellie Massacre
Bhagalpur riots
Bombay Riots
Gujarat Riots
Muzaffarnagar Riots
Delhi Riots 2020

and many many more


Is this idea of coexistence you hindus have? Is this how you would prove existence of Pakistan wrong?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yeah but how much of India is Punjabi Biradari .. 3%? 4%?

Of course Sindhis would look the same. After all they are migrants from Pakistan, not native to any region in India.

India as a continent hosts a multitude of races, just like Africa. Thinking of all Indians as one race, (or all Africans as one race.. who are in fact much more diverse than all people outside Africa), is a very Eurocentric view that should be rejected and fought back by all former colonial subject ethnicities with any sense of dignity.

@.King.

They are fairly evenly distributed across all countries, across all latitudes.

It is impossible to educate all of them. They will think up these notions and then unload them with a whoosh.

Keep a pan and brush ready. That is for the dry stuff.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

@.King.
See what I mean?

So you think Pakistanis and indians are the same race???........

1)You still have not identified the supposed racial affiliations.

2)Yeah, the "source". That source gives 13% of the water. India can comfortably use the other 87%, which china has 0 control over. We dont use most of it, to help out Bangladesh agro economy. If needed, we could easily take it.


Trust me, India has very little interest in occupying all of pakistan. Most Indians do not want to deal with the mess of religious indoctrination, radicalism, terrorism, and whatnot that has become normalised. The only people who want all of pakistan are fringe "Akhand Bharat" guys, and they actually dont want the pakistani population either - They call for taking the land and pushing out the people, which is why no one takes it seriously.

Do you have any evidence india can independently use that 87%? If what you say is true then remember to post the links to the evidence here........

Whatever race Pakistanis are, they are DEFINITELY different to indians. I have been to Pakistan over 35 times and have lived in London UK all my life. I have seen plenty of indians to know they are racially different to Pakistanis.

Don't try to flatter yourself. Do you REALLY believe that Pakistan wants to be part of the nation that has 40% of the world's most severely malnourished and extreme poor people in the world where over 732 million people defecate in the open?................

 

[Joe Shearer]

So to prove this idea flawed you hindus did:

Jammu genocide
Hyderabad Massacre
Bhiwandi Riots
Nellie Massacre
Bhagalpur riots
Bombay Riots
Gujarat Riots
Muzaffarnagar Riots
Delhi Riots 2020

and many many more


Is this idea of coexistence you hindus have? Is this how you would prove existence of Pakistan wrong?

@.King.

I think he has a point.

If you are picking up something that happened 75 years ago, you will be asked what you did to disprove their decision during the intervening period.

That is NOT the correct argument, nor is it fair, and you will always find no answers to the counter-question.

So you think Pakistanis and indians are the same race???........







Do you have any evidence india can independently use that 87%? If what you say is true then remember to post the links to the evidence here........

Whatever race Pakistanis are, they are DEFINITELY different to indians. I have been to Pakistan over 35 times and have lived in London UK all my life. I have seen plenty of indians to know they are racially different to Pakistanis.

Don't try to flatter yourself. Do you REALLY believe that Pakistan wants to be part of the nation that has 40% of the world's most severely malnourished and extreme poor people in the world where over 732 million people defecate in the open?................

@.King.
Collect these gems.
One day they will be as famous as the poems of MacGonagall.

So you think Pakistanis and indians are the same race???........

When you are posting, I don't think.

I just stare in awe.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

@.King.

They are fairly evenly distributed across all countries, across all latitudes.

It is impossible to educate all of them. They will think up these notions and then unload them with a whoosh.

Keep a pan and brush ready. That is for the dry stuff.

What "education" is that? The one where you believe the indian media AKA world's biggest FAKE NEWS factory?...........:

EU NGO report uncovers Indian disinformation campaign

EU DisinfoLab’s report a ‘deep dive into a 15-year operation targeting the EU and UN to serve Indian interests’.

www.aljazeera.com

Pro-Indian 'fake websites targeted decision makers in Europe'

Fake sites and groups lobbying for India influenced decision makers in Europe, researchers say.

www.bbc.co.uk

Kid, you heed to do better..................