Can India do what Russia did in Ukraine? -Gen. Tariq

[ziaulislam]

MacArthur believed that China would not intervene in the Korean War, and Le Duan also believes that China will not intervene in the third Indochina war, and Nehru also believes that China is a dove of peace, but they all paid the price.

Every time people think China will go to war, China does not go to war. When they thought China would not join the war, China came.
攻其无备，出其不意。<孙子兵法>
Attack the unprepared; do the unexpected. <Sun Tzu's art of war>

In my opinion, if India launches a large-scale war against Pakistan, China will draw a red line for India, just as the Vietnam war China draws a 17 degree line for USA. If India crosses that line, China will go to war, just as the UN army crosses the 38 degree line.

Doubt it
It didnt do so in 1971

If it had so, pakistan would have atleast took kashmir on western front

 

[NaqsheYaar]

Bro even if they had 88 divs, they still will be shaking in their boots. As we are taught from the birth even 100:1 ratio will not frighten us, as we only bend to only one creator and that is Almighty one.
As one Indian coward have said so eloquently above, if India can create circumstances like East Pakistan again that's the only chance they got, that's why I always said hang any proven traitor and no mercy.

United we stand and divided we fall.

Question: India who, what, is it a carrot or a potato?
Answer: Just a bad smell.



Is Pakistan have not got enough population to volunteer or you are a coward not to come forward that you are expecting help from a tiny country while you sit on your back side? Have respect and dignity for yourself and learn to stand on your own feet.

I was talking from another perspective, and you would need the people of KP (and Afghanistan) in the final push against Indian onslaught when the time comes.

You obviously cannot think or imagine from the perspective I am talking about!

As for the cowardice, I am from KP (Bannu to be specific), you would find me on the front when it comes to it.

 

[waz]

Pakistan has a massive army, a potent air arm and soon to be strong navy. It has less land to defend and can concentrate huge firepower on various points. It has force multipliers in the form of AWACS, satellite surveillance, long range radars, a comprehensive air defence network and nuclear weapons.
Resource wise we may struggle i.e. we are not a oil producer, gas wise we may be ok, but we do have ample men to throw into battle with a population of 235 million. Yes India has more but with the Pakistani population far younger this can negate much of it.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Do you factor economic stability of both countries? I’ve heard you guys are literally taking loans to finance your imports when here we’re discussing how India becomes trade surplus. Any Ukraine type assault which Russia did started with cruise missiles, Pakistan can target our bases and we can target yours, but you have only one Port while we have multiple ports and when your port infra becomes obliterated then your economy cripples and evenif you destroy all of our seaports on our west coast still we’ll have our east coast safe. Thats the difference.

And why you think your Eastern coast will be safe?
Second point :We have land route also for trade.
We are building massive submarine fleet also to hit your ports,naval bases and other strategic targets from sea.
Combined Missile attack from land,air and Sea will obviously do huge damage to India.
While fighting wars,People don't see how they will survive after war,they only think how they will survive during war.
With our present armor strength,even you know India has no chance in winning against us on ground.

 

[waz]

Do you factor economic stability of both countries? I’ve heard you guys are literally taking loans to finance your imports when here we’re discussing how India becomes trade surplus. Any Ukraine type assault which Russia did started with cruise missiles, Pakistan can target our bases and we can target yours, but you have only one Port while we have multiple ports and when your port infra becomes obliterated then your economy cripples and evenif you destroy all of our seaports on our west coast still we’ll have our east coast safe. Thats the difference.

Pakistan does not have one port for the love of God. Please do some research. Pakistan has 8. We have major naval bases in Jiwani Pasni, Ormara, Port Qasim and Gwadar. Most of the naval assets are based there away from India's immediate reach.

 

[MH.Yang]

Doubt it
It didnt do so in 1971

If it had so, pakistan would have atleast took kashmir on western front

In 1969, the Zhenbao Island war broke out between China and the Soviet Union. In 1971, the Soviet Union had more than 1 million troops deployed on the Chinese border.
Since 1969, China has been building underground shelters to prepare for a comprehensive nuclear war with the Soviet Union. In 1971, China was even ready to fall to the north of the Yellow River, and all military enterprises moved from the northeast to Sichuan. The predecessor of CAC, plant 132, was built in 1969.
In 1971, China made a test in Sikkim, but the Soviet Union immediately responded at the border.

In 1971, China was not unwilling to help Pakistan, but was unable to help Pakistan.
Under normal circumstances, China's attitude towards Pakistan should refer to the ultimatum issued by China to India on September 17, 1965. China in 2022 will only be tougher than it was in 1965.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I was talking from another perspective, and you would need the people of KP (and Afghanistan) in the final push against Indian onslaught when the time comes.

You obviously cannot think or imagine from the perspective I am talking about!

As for the cowardice, I am from KP (Bannu to be specific), you would find me on the front when it comes to it.

Please form an orderly queue.

 

[HttpError]

LOL, India should worry about its own land. One thing I can b sure of is there is no way they can ever pull or even think of in their wildest dream to pull of something like this.

1) The Terrain- if you look at the Russian-Ukrainian map, Russia is attacking Ukraine from 3 sides, Crimea, Belarus, and their main western border. Whereas India only has one Border with Pakistan.

2) The only plain land of border Pakistan has with India is Punjab and Sindh and India calls them International Border so they would never want to mess with changing International Border.

3) The LOC is smartly laid out that will be a nightmare for any aggressor (Pakistan or India).

4) LOL, I am just laughing thinking that they can even think or discuss the possibility of something like that.

 

[Joe Shearer]

We are building massive submarine fleet also to hit your ports,naval bases and other strategic targets from sea.

While I've been away, a whole new generation of military strategists has grown up and are now ready to, umm, shed their short pants and get into trousers.

Is it possible to have an IQ Test, and thereafter, age-bar members from posting without supervision until they have posted at least 100 posts that are not mind-numbingly ridiculous? Mind-numbingly as in the post above.

Those stupid, unprofessional mutts, Doenitz and Raeder. They didn't know they had to attack British ports, naval bases and other strategic targets.

Oops, forgot. From sea. Just in case any Hindu nincompoop thought that dark object in the shallows was an F 16 trying to get rid of the daily sludge.

 

[ziaulislam]

In 1969, the Zhenbao Island war broke out between China and the Soviet Union. In 1971, the Soviet Union had more than 1 million troops deployed on the Chinese border.
Since 1969, China has been building underground shelters to prepare for a comprehensive nuclear war with the Soviet Union. In 1971, China was even ready to fall to the north of the Yellow River, and all military enterprises moved from the northeast to Sichuan. The predecessor of CAC, plant 132, was built in 1969.
In 1971, China made a test in Sikkim, but the Soviet Union immediately responded at the border.

In 1971, China was not unwilling to help Pakistan, but was unable to help Pakistan.
Under normal circumstances, China's attitude towards Pakistan should refer to the ultimatum issued by China to India on September 17, 1965. China in 2022 will only be tougher than it was in 1969.

That is valid point
I have to say i wasnt thinking about this

 

[PakSarZameen47]

Dont bet on them not doing so
They are comitted while we are laxed
Look at current situation evolving in Sindh(pretty weak but long standing intellectuals of sindudesh) balochistan(BLA), kpk(ttp evolving weak) and now even punjab(neo punjabism and antiarmy sentiment under PMLN, a new threat)

Hasn't this been ongoing for decades though, Hasn't it decreased with pmln out of the picture and unlikely to come back?
@ziaulislam

 

[Qutb-ud-din-Aibak]

The answer is simple we aren't in defense but offense as we have nothing to protect but everything to gain period by default.. Due to geography we have one road that is forward into Bharat... We have nowhere to go but forward.. Our doctrine is offensive heavy 90% of any conflict will be fought inside bharat as we will push millions of men across line immediately

 

[waz]

Please form an orderly queue.

I really do think Pakistan and India should be in a new Command and Conquer (great series) Generals game. Much fervour can be gotten rid of from both sides.

 

[ziaulislam]

Hasn't this been ongoing for decades though, Hasn't it decreased with pmln out of the picture and unlikely to come back?
@ziaulislam

Pmln isnt out of the picture
And i fear rise of this sentiment in central punjab will be devastating

As central punjab is foundation of pakistan even small cracks in central punjab will be end of pakistan

 

[Joe Shearer]

I really do think Pakistan and India should be in a new Command and Conquer (great series) Generals game. Much fervour can be gotten rid of from both sides.

ToTALLY agree.

We could contribute at least 50 to 60 'players' from India!