Can India beat China ?

[boris]

I'm not worried about India overtaking China as long as Indians still talk about leapfrogging manufacturing into a service economy.

Manufacturing is a necessary step on the road to development for any reasonably sized country, with exceptions of those with very rich natural resources. How else are you going to provide employment to your average citizen?

And don't ever think education will help India leapfrogging China. China has more Top 200 universities than rest of the BRIC combined (which is actually not hard as according to THE's 2010 ranking BRI has not a single university in Top 200). China also spends almost double the amount of money on R&D each year than rest of the BRICs combined.

the education sector is no doubt ,chinese are having an enormous amount of research done by both students and professional's.chinese students at middle school stage are encouraged to follow their passion,be it sport,music,art,pure science,engineering also i have seen chinese and south korean students are extremely hard working.
with india the difference is we are not a research oriented system but a WPM or rather who pays more system,in engineering for example 95% want to do an MBA and get a high paying job,research is scoffed upon both by students and parents hence a few end up doing research that too in the states.
as far as universities are concerned in BRIC nations i rate :

china > russia > india > brazil

 

[below_freezing]

You cannot skip manufacturing. You can play all the little financial games with stocks, and make all that virtual money that doesn't ever come out of a computer, and have alot of profit for nothing things like computer games, stock markets, trading currency and whatever, but at the end of the day, we live in the physical world. Things are made of real materials, they obey the laws of physics and chemistry and we don't survive with paper money, we survive with real objects such as food.

Without industry, where do you get the physical factors of production? This is why the US is declining: other than farming and some aspects of manufacturing, their GDP is dominated (70%) by services and virtual money like banking, hedge funds, stocks, derivatives and loans. Just Wall Street sharks playing financial games and reaping gigantic paper profits that never leave the computer. In contrast, China's GDP is 6 trillion USD of heavy industry, textiles, electronics, mining and farming. Things that produce real products that are used in the real physical world.

A huge service sector without industry is like a car with the most fancy paint in the world, made of wood.

 

[Speeder 2]

Q: can average IQ 82 beat average IQ 105?

A: yeah, to see who is dumber.

next?

 

[Speeder 2]

Yeah, historically India was not our enemy, ...

I recall some serious researcher who once argued that civilisations from the north in general almost has never been beaten by civilisations fron the south in human history ( mainly due to average IQ difference which is decisive in numerous war planning processes), except some extreme cases as one can argue such as Han China beat their northen neighbour Huns, yet again, both Northern China and huns were both northern civilisations and Han CHina was the world's superpower at a time.

In light of that argument, India of course was not China's enemy traditionally, since being a southern civilisation India has never won a decent war against their northern invaders historically, being aryans, persians, mogols, british... you name it - the same situation continues till the present day - they even can't effectively deal with their far smaller northen neighbour Pakistan, let alone China, geez.

 

[CardSharp]

^^^^^

You and IQ again?

 

[applesauce]

the education sector is no doubt ,chinese are having an enormous amount of research done by both students and professional's.chinese students at middle school stage are encouraged to follow their passion,be it sport,music,art,pure science,engineering also i have seen chinese and south korean students are extremely hard working.
with india the difference is we are not a research oriented system but a WPM or rather who pays more system,in engineering for example 95% want to do an MBA and get a high paying job,research is scoffed upon both by students and parents hence a few end up doing research that too in the states.
as far as universities are concerned in BRIC nations i rate :

china > russia > india > brazil

well the very good chinese universities are said to be about the level of a good state school in the US. that is fairly good progress, make no mistake though more need to be done, specifically to promote more innovation but for now, for a developing country with a low GDP per capita the education is fairly good, as the people, parents, in china take education very seriously. hope the government succeeds in promoting more thinking less memorizing and have schools on par with MIT and Oxford and sich

 

[cross1993]

I hope that the Asians to unite.
Pakistani and Indians and Chinese need to learn to trust each other.

If we can not unite, The rise of Asia can never be...

 

[cross1993]

But you guys are waiting for the opportunity to revenge and to backstab us, then we will extinguish this attempt.

Chinese people's bad temper...
We should pay attention to politeness...

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I hope that the Asians to unite.
Pakistani and Indians and Chinese need to learn to trust each other.

If we can not unite, The rise of Asia can never be...

The problem is that some Indians believe it is an insult to call them "Asians". The term "Asians" only applied for Mongoloid folks from East Asia, not for Indians who are Caucasoid Aryans.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

The problem is that some Indians believe it is a shame to call them "Asians". The term "Asians" only for Mongoloid folks from East Asia, not for Indians who are Caucasoid Aryans.

Not exactly, We like the term Asian ,as from a geographic perspective,and the term South Asian from an ethnic perspective.

But Yes! there are some Northern Indians who lay an emphasis on the Caucasoid origins to identify themselves differently from darker South Indians.
Similarly there are some South Indians(Tamil Chauvinists) who lay an emphasis on lingual heritage to differentiate from the Northern Indians.

 

[cross1993]

China, Japan, ASEAN, South Asia, Central Asia, If they can not guarantee peace with each other, the whole of Asia will be unlucky. The Western will cheer for our stupidity.

The Countries in global economic integration, there should be no war between them. Because that war has no winner.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Not exactly, We like the term Asian ,as from a geographic perspective,and the term South Asian from an ethnic perspective.

But Yes! there are some Northern Indians who lay an emphasis on the Caucasoid origins to identify themselves differently from darker South Indians.
Similarly there are some South Indians(Tamil Chauvinists) who lay an emphasis on lingual heritage to differentiate from the Northern Indians.

Yeah, i've met some Northern Indians, they are simply ridiculous. These people embrace this ambiguous term "Caucasoid" and want to prove more affiliation with the White Europeans, yet looking down on their Southern brethren. This is the textbook symptom of inferiority complex.

Even few Chinese also suffer from this symptom, bleaching their hair and skin. However, most Chinese patriots like us on this board are simply proud the color of our skin.

Sometimes Northern Chinese might make fun on Southern Chinese about their accent of speaking Mandarin. However, racially we are still consider each other as brother.

 

[Obambam]

I think Indian officials NEED to think more rationally sometimes.
If they think of it this way they will have a clearer picture (hopefully)

(1) Both China and India are right next door to each other
(2) Both China and India are nuclear armed.
(3) The number of aircrafts, how well the troops' equiptments are will not stop a nuke going off in any one of your cities.
(4) Considering points 1 & 2, surely there can be no winners?

The only Winner would be the Americans. They'd be shedding crocodile tears and thanking you much for making their plan for global domination a whole lot more easier.

on a side note: India can beat Chinese when it comes to eating patia and not breaking a sweat I guess?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Yeah, i've met some Northern Indians, they are simply ridiculous. These people embrace this ambiguous term "Caucasoid" and want to prove more affiliation with the White Europeans, yet looking down on their Southern brethren. This is the textbook symptom of inferiority complex.

Even few Chinese also suffer from this symptom, bleaching their hair and skin. However, most Chinese patriots like us on this board are simply proud the color of our skin.

Sometimes Northern Chinese might make fun on Southern Chinese about their accent of speaking Mandarin. However, racially we are still consider each other as brother.

You have meet these people on the internet right? People who talk like this are plain losers. I have even come across Japanese making fun of Chinese and Koreans because they have smaller eyes. And Chinese calling Koreans "gooks", etc.

Its just silly internet warriors..

 

[cross1993]

Rome is great, Because it does not care the lineage, unlike Greece and Sparta.

Racism makes country secession and destroy. If racism, it will never become great country.

Yes, Part of the Chinese people are proud. But they are not proud the color of our skin.
They are proud their culture and history.

If the Chinese people go mad, it will not be mad because of racism. Only the burden of history(Previous civilization) can make them go mad.

For example: Reconstruction of Chang'an(Xi'an) City, in poor western China.
（Chang'an is the capital of the Han Dynasty and the Tang Dynasty, is equal to the historical status of the city of Rome in China）

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