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Can even a one-sided collapse crash China's economy?

The topic of shadow banking has now become the topic du jour of what will crash the Chinese economy.Before that, it was the real estate bubble, and before that, the rising cost of cheap labor. Of course, many wrong predictions later, the bears of China continue to prognosticate that China will crash because they have a vested interest in seeing China crash. I am not going to say that China will never hit a speed bump. In fact, I think that scenario is likely, but not for the reasons that the China bears often use. But first, the shadow banking issue.

I will not reiterate all the problems that are going on with China's financial system. I have heard them all, ranging from falsified trade receipts to excessive loans by the local government to record high corporate bond underwriting that would presage an inability to repay bank loans. All I can say is that as soon as one of these problems is addressed, new ones will pop up so this will be a never-ending cycle of financial issues as long as the financial system becomes more and more open and permissive like its Western counterparts. Human creativity is infinite, and therefore there is no limit to the number of financial products that people can invent to bypass existing rules and regulations. Thus the problem is not the different schemes that the shadow banking community can develop that can get out of hand, but the ability of the authorities to address the problems once they are discovered.

The reason I am more sanguine about China's prospects than the average China bear is two-fold. First, the Chinese Government, like that of the Federal Reserve, has the power to print money. This is a very powerful tool at their disposal because it enables the economy to avoid a full-blown depression. Many other countries do not have this ability because their governments do not have the credibility with the rest of the world to simply print more of their currency. If they do, they just create hyperinflation within their borders, which doesn't solve anything because other countries will not accept its inflated currency. But in the case of the United States, and also of China, the rest of the world will continue using dollars or the renminbi, at least for the foreseeable future, because these two nations are too interconnected with the global economy and thus can continue with business as usual even if their central banks decide to use the printing press to fix a temporary problem.

If we look at what is happening in the U.S. financial system, post-2008 financial crisis, we see that the exact same behavior is happening on Wall Street as the years leading up to the crisis except that the bad behavior is even more magnified than before. The banks continue to underwrite record amounts of structured products, and the underwriting is even shoddier. Whereas the problem before the crisis was that a lot of collateralized bond obligations were "covenant lite," meaning that there were very few restrictions on the borrowers, today these financial products largely don't even have covenants. This has led to enormous bonuses on Wall Street again by both the investment bankers and the private equity firms who have borrowed the money to acquire expensive companies and resell them to the public stock market at even higher valuations. Anyone familiar with the reasons for the 2008 financial crisis understands that the same exact bubble is being replicated, yet no one is worried this time because everyone knows that the Federal Reserve will bail everyone out if something blows up again.

Even the prospect of another bubble bursting in the United States from the unsustainable underwriting that has been allowed to continue hasn't stopped the rest of the world from doing business with the United States. Everyone knows that the Federal Reserve has printed trillions of dollars since the 2008 financial crisis to keep some key financial institutions from going out of business and will continue to do so for a very long time. Money growth has far outstripped economic growth, and while this monetary policy seems irresponsible to certain critics who fear the growing prospects of either hyperinflation or permanent wealth inequality and class immobility, the bottom line is that the United States can get away with it without being knocked off its perch as a superpower.

Likewise, China's monetary authorities have the same tools and power at their disposal. Since China's financial system still has capital restrictions that limit hot money flows and is not dependent on borrowing money from other countries to keep its economy growing, it is not as vulnerable to debt problems in the same way that the United States is largely immune from them. Since China's debt problem is mostly domestic, the Chinese monetary authorities can simply print money to take care of bad loans just like the United States has done. This power is unlike those in many other countries such as those in the eurozone who have to borrow money in a currency that they have no sovereign control over. Some high profile defaults in China may temporarily worry some investors, but they will come to pass in the same way that investors in the United States like Warren Buffett stopped worrying about the U.S. markets after Lehman collapsed. In the case of China, any financial problem will unlikely be as magnified as the crisis of 2008 since renminbi products are nowhere as ubiquitous as dollar-denominated financial products and the Chinese authorities have learned from what the U.S. Fed, the European Central Bank, the Bank of England, and the Bank of Japan have done to address financial stability issues these last few years.

However, if China does lose its ability to generate internal growth from its real economy and if China is no longer competitive on the world stage, then yes, my earlier reasoning will unlikely hold true. Since China does not have the world's strongest military nor the strong global network of allies that the United States has built, it cannot influence the rest of the world to use its currency the same way that the United States can. Since China does not have this power, it must be vigilant to ensure that its financial economy doesn't overtake its real economy. If China's financial economy ever becomes too dominant, then the country will be generating lots of profits on a short-term basis, but no real wealth for the long run. In essence, paper profits from financial services are just a house of cards because they don't create lasting infrastructure or real knowledge for improving the well-being of people or the environment. If China goes down that path, such a scenario could eventually erode confidence from other countries and thus spell the end of China's rise. While I do not think the current Chinese Government will be this naïve and short-sighted, I concede that it doesn't take that many bad eggs who have the political power to persuade policymakers to do the wrong thing.

Some may also wonder why China must do the heavy lifting of hard work in the real economy when the Europeans and the Japanese also print exorbitant amounts of money with debt ratios that are much higher than China's and also do not have strong militaries. The reason is that the United States views both the Europeans and the Japanese as allies while it currently sees China more as a threat. Since these American allies are not viewed as potentially challenging American superiority, they have more freedom and time to act as they desire to suit their interests without inviting American suspicion. Because of this political reality, the Chinese cannot assume that they are playing on an even global financial playing field.

So like any flawed argument, China cannot collapse if only one side of the equation is weak. As long as viable solutions are available to address problems, then nothing too serious will happen. Only when both sides of the equation, the regulators and the regulated, are broken and out of options will the whole system come tumbling down.

The author is a columnist for Beijing Review and an adjunct professor of economics and finance at New York University

[This is a re-post. Thank you to Tianxia for the original post]
 
Thank you. Just what I've said in the past, a 天下無敵 military means one can print money if need to, and will be accepted by the world or else...

Strong military means a strong economy.
 
Can even a one-sided collapse crash China's economy?

The topic of shadow banking has now become the topic du jour of what will crash the Chinese economy.Before that, it was the real estate bubble, and before that, the rising cost of cheap labor. Of course, many wrong predictions later, the bears of China continue to prognosticate that China will crash because they have a vested interest in seeing China crash. I am not going to say that China will never hit a speed bump. In fact, I think that scenario is likely, but not for the reasons that the China bears often use. But first, the shadow banking issue.

I will not reiterate all the problems that are going on with China's financial system. I have heard them all, ranging from falsified trade receipts to excessive loans by the local government to record high corporate bond underwriting that would presage an inability to repay bank loans. All I can say is that as soon as one of these problems is addressed, new ones will pop up so this will be a never-ending cycle of financial issues as long as the financial system becomes more and more open and permissive like its Western counterparts. Human creativity is infinite, and therefore there is no limit to the number of financial products that people can invent to bypass existing rules and regulations. Thus the problem is not the different schemes that the shadow banking community can develop that can get out of hand, but the ability of the authorities to address the problems once they are discovered.

The reason I am more sanguine about China's prospects than the average China bear is two-fold. First, the Chinese Government, like that of the Federal Reserve, has the power to print money. This is a very powerful tool at their disposal because it enables the economy to avoid a full-blown depression. Many other countries do not have this ability because their governments do not have the credibility with the rest of the world to simply print more of their currency. If they do, they just create hyperinflation within their borders, which doesn't solve anything because other countries will not accept its inflated currency. But in the case of the United States, and also of China, the rest of the world will continue using dollars or the renminbi, at least for the foreseeable future, because these two nations are too interconnected with the global economy and thus can continue with business as usual even if their central banks decide to use the printing press to fix a temporary problem.

If we look at what is happening in the U.S. financial system, post-2008 financial crisis, we see that the exact same behavior is happening on Wall Street as the years leading up to the crisis except that the bad behavior is even more magnified than before. The banks continue to underwrite record amounts of structured products, and the underwriting is even shoddier. Whereas the problem before the crisis was that a lot of collateralized bond obligations were "covenant lite," meaning that there were very few restrictions on the borrowers, today these financial products largely don't even have covenants. This has led to enormous bonuses on Wall Street again by both the investment bankers and the private equity firms who have borrowed the money to acquire expensive companies and resell them to the public stock market at even higher valuations. Anyone familiar with the reasons for the 2008 financial crisis understands that the same exact bubble is being replicated, yet no one is worried this time because everyone knows that the Federal Reserve will bail everyone out if something blows up again.

Even the prospect of another bubble bursting in the United States from the unsustainable underwriting that has been allowed to continue hasn't stopped the rest of the world from doing business with the United States. Everyone knows that the Federal Reserve has printed trillions of dollars since the 2008 financial crisis to keep some key financial institutions from going out of business and will continue to do so for a very long time. Money growth has far outstripped economic growth, and while this monetary policy seems irresponsible to certain critics who fear the growing prospects of either hyperinflation or permanent wealth inequality and class immobility, the bottom line is that the United States can get away with it without being knocked off its perch as a superpower.

Likewise, China's monetary authorities have the same tools and power at their disposal. Since China's financial system still has capital restrictions that limit hot money flows and is not dependent on borrowing money from other countries to keep its economy growing, it is not as vulnerable to debt problems in the same way that the United States is largely immune from them. Since China's debt problem is mostly domestic, the Chinese monetary authorities can simply print money to take care of bad loans just like the United States has done. This power is unlike those in many other countries such as those in the eurozone who have to borrow money in a currency that they have no sovereign control over. Some high profile defaults in China may temporarily worry some investors, but they will come to pass in the same way that investors in the United States like Warren Buffett stopped worrying about the U.S. markets after Lehman collapsed. In the case of China, any financial problem will unlikely be as magnified as the crisis of 2008 since renminbi products are nowhere as ubiquitous as dollar-denominated financial products and the Chinese authorities have learned from what the U.S. Fed, the European Central Bank, the Bank of England, and the Bank of Japan have done to address financial stability issues these last few years.

However, if China does lose its ability to generate internal growth from its real economy and if China is no longer competitive on the world stage, then yes, my earlier reasoning will unlikely hold true. Since China does not have the world's strongest military nor the strong global network of allies that the United States has built, it cannot influence the rest of the world to use its currency the same way that the United States can. Since China does not have this power, it must be vigilant to ensure that its financial economy doesn't overtake its real economy. If China's financial economy ever becomes too dominant, then the country will be generating lots of profits on a short-term basis, but no real wealth for the long run. In essence, paper profits from financial services are just a house of cards because they don't create lasting infrastructure or real knowledge for improving the well-being of people or the environment. If China goes down that path, such a scenario could eventually erode confidence from other countries and thus spell the end of China's rise. While I do not think the current Chinese Government will be this naïve and short-sighted, I concede that it doesn't take that many bad eggs who have the political power to persuade policymakers to do the wrong thing.

Some may also wonder why China must do the heavy lifting of hard work in the real economy when the Europeans and the Japanese also print exorbitant amounts of money with debt ratios that are much higher than China's and also do not have strong militaries. The reason is that the United States views both the Europeans and the Japanese as allies while it currently sees China more as a threat. Since these American allies are not viewed as potentially challenging American superiority, they have more freedom and time to act as they desire to suit their interests without inviting American suspicion. Because of this political reality, the Chinese cannot assume that they are playing on an even global financial playing field.

So like any flawed argument, China cannot collapse if only one side of the equation is weak. As long as viable solutions are available to address problems, then nothing too serious will happen. Only when both sides of the equation, the regulators and the regulated, are broken and out of options will the whole system come tumbling down.

The author is a columnist for Beijing Review and an adjunct professor of economics and finance at New York University
[This is a re-post. Thank you to Tianxia for the original post]

First, let me get this out of the way: I agree that China is not close to collapse.

That said, I am staggered that the author is a professor of economics and finance, as he doesn't demonstrate any understanding of the American financial crisis. I don't have much time right now, so I'll summarize:

1) Printing money inflated the very bubbles that caused the financial crisis, it's not some free money that unicorns provide to solve all problems. Easy money creates asset bubbles, period.

2) The US didn't print away its debt, it monetized the debt. Printing money bought time, but it also bought trillions of dollars of treasuries issued by the US government and held by the Federal Reserve. Interest on that debt still needs to be paid. Principal still needs to be repaid. I repeat, this was not free money.

3) "Covenant-lite" and no covenant debt had almost nothing to do with the financial crisis. It was homeowners taking on debt that they could never repay by lying about their income, then retail banks syndicating the mortgages to investment banks and lying about their quality, then investment banks recruiting the rating agencies to issue fraudulent ratings on the mortgage tranches so they could lie to institutional investors who bought those tranches about the risk involved. This was not a corporate debt crisis, this was a mortgage debt crisis, so covenants are not even relevant. Even if they were, covenants cannot prevent against default any more than laws can prevent murder. Covenants and the law only detail the conditions and details of punishment that result from their violations.

4) Countries don't buy US Treasuries because our military threatens them if they don't. They buy UST because it's a deep, liquid market, and issued by the largest economy on earth, with nearly 300 years of good credit. Buyers trust that their interest will be paid, their principal will be repaid, and that their investment is safe, not because the US military is strong.

5) Likewise, countries don't use the dollar because of military force, they use it because it's convenient due to the volumes of trade that the US engenders, just like they used the pound sterling before us, and they will use the renminbi after us now that China is the largest trading nation by volume.

For G-d's sake, I am embarrassed for NYU for hiring this guy.
 
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Can even a one-sided collapse crash China's economy?

The topic of shadow banking has now become the topic du jour of what will crash the Chinese economy.Before that, it was the real estate bubble, and before that, the rising cost of cheap labor. Of course, many wrong predictions later, the bears of China continue to prognosticate that China will crash because they have a vested interest in seeing China crash. I am not going to say that China will never hit a speed bump. In fact, I think that scenario is likely, but not for the reasons that the China bears often use. But first, the shadow banking issue.


Firstly let me make this clear, i speak as a student of economics not as a India/british

Property bubble exits Yes- Why ?
there are two different stories here, property bubble near eastern cost and property bubble near western/central china

Property bubble near cities like Shanghai and Beijing or other big cities are driven by investors, basically family are investing to catch in on every growing property market and to make quick bucks with Rentals

On western/central china the situation is different, here local government are striving to make complete their goal of development. Cities are built and funded by the local govt but the prices are so high the people who it was built for (rural population) cannot simple afford it. China is known for building in advance for future needs, but here it is difficult unless property rate's are slashed extensively
they also have interview with one of china's leading builders

Cost of rising labour cost is inevitable, as people get richer, they will demand more


I will not reiterate all the problems that are going on with China's financial system. I have heard them all, ranging from falsified trade receipts to excessive loans by the local government to record high corporate bond underwriting that would presage an inability to repay bank loans. All I can say is that as soon as one of these problems is addressed, new ones will pop up so this will be a never-ending cycle of financial issues as long as the financial system becomes more and more open and permissive like its Western counterparts. Human creativity is infinite, and therefore there is no limit to the number of financial products that people can invent to bypass existing rules and regulations. Thus the problem is not the different schemes that the shadow banking community can develop that can get out of hand, but the ability of the authorities to address the problems once they are discovered.

that's why there is emphasis of a self correcting system, if in a open economy that money market is tight (no easy availability of fund) that pushes the rate of borrowing higher, which means people would borrow less or paymore. This would autocorrect, the best thing to do is let market inject more cash and cool down for a while, this autocorrect the inflation aswell.




The reason I am more sanguine about China's prospects than the average China bear is two-fold. First, the Chinese Government, like that of the Federal Reserve, has the power to print money. This is a very powerful tool at their disposal because it enables the economy to avoid a full-blown depression. Many other countries do not have this ability because their governments do not have the credibility with the rest of the world to simply print more of their currency. If they do, they just create hyperinflation within their borders, which doesn't solve anything because other countries will not accept its inflated currency. But in the case of the United States, and also of China, the rest of the world will continue using dollars or the renminbi, at least for the foreseeable future, because these two nations are too interconnected with the global economy and thus can continue with business as usual even if their central banks decide to use the printing press to fix a temporary problem.


here is the catch, US prints money on debt bonds sir, a promise to pay it's citizens. Its currency is accept all over the world and its bond have the highest ratings.Its still a stupid idea, but hey, the world is buying US debt bonds and fueling their economy.

chinese currency is circulated in china only, inflation would surpass the value of currency. You cannot point a gun at foreign investor and force them to buy your debt bond. But hell if you could do it, that would keep Chinese economy aflot too

To do that, Yuan would have to be liberalized and put a market exchangeable currency, thats where the problem starts. Supply and demand all over the world affects the market, but hang-on derivative traders are the major players here. They even screw up US dollar. China can force the world to pay in Yuan, that can keep it aflot, but the price of yuan vs dollar or yuan vs euro is still market controlled and changes with economic news and sentiments of people trading world over.

Anyone familiar with the reasons for the 2008 financial crisis understands that the same exact bubble is being replicated, yet no one is worried this time because everyone knows that the Federal Reserve will bail everyone out if something blows up again.
Two reasons, US fed had enough money to buy debt/mortgage bonds and people all over the world bought it too, including people in US the most.

This will depend on the chinese people to buy bonds, Chinese central bank also has alot of cash, but debt in china is increasing, hell even Chinese railways is in debt of $600 billion, mind you unlike US these are Govt debts, 4trillion - $600 billion is alot, simultaneously if the property bubble crashes it catastrophic, people have put their live earnings into investing in property. You see these are chain of commands that leads to the fall, just like the Domino




Likewise, China's monetary authorities have the same tools and power at their disposal.
Since China's financial system still has capital restrictions that limit hot money flows and is not dependent on borrowing money from other countries to keep its economy growing, it is not as vulnerable to debt problems in the same way that the United States is largely immune from them. Since China's debt problem is mostly domestic, the Chinese monetary authorities can simply print money to take care of bad loans just like the United States has done. This power is unlike those in many other countries such as those in the eurozone who have to borrow money in a currency that they have no sovereign control over. Some high profile defaults in China may temporarily worry some investors, but they will come to pass in the same way that investors in the United States like Warren Buffett stopped worrying about the U.S. markets after Lehman collapsed. In the case of China, any financial problem will unlikely be as magnified as the crisis of 2008 since renminbi products are nowhere as ubiquitous as dollar-denominated financial products and the Chinese authorities have learned from what the U.S. Fed, the European Central Bank, the Bank of England, and the Bank of Japan have done to address financial stability issues these last few years.

However, if China does lose its ability to generate internal growth from its real economy and if China is no longer competitive on the world stage, then yes, my earlier reasoning will unlikely hold true. Since China does not have the world's strongest military nor the strong global network of allies that the United States has built, it cannot influence the rest of the world to use its currency the same way that the United States can. Since China does not have this power, it must be vigilant to ensure that its financial economy doesn't overtake its real economy. If China's financial economy ever becomes too dominant, then the country will be generating lots of profits on a short-term basis, but no real wealth for the long run. In essence, paper profits from financial services are just a house of cards because they don't create lasting infrastructure or real knowledge for improving the well-being of people or the environment. If China goes down that path, such a scenario could eventually erode confidence from other countries and thus spell the end of China's rise. While I do not think the current Chinese Government will be this naïve and short-sighted, I concede that it doesn't take that many bad eggs who have the political power to persuade policymakers to do the wrong thing.

You have answered it yourself, it confidence that drives world market.

Chinese debt runs into trillions, govt is spending heavily to fuel growth. In case of a collapse, to reinvest the faith, govt would first have to pay trillions of dollars to its public to clear of it debt. China railways, china steel, according to bloomberg local chinese govt debt is $2.9 trillion alone and there are many more ... the problem that they are state control aggravates the problem, it sends out a signal that the govt has failed not a company, that will bring down the confidence my friend.


The reason is that the United States views both the Europeans and the Japanese as allies while it currently sees China more as a threat. Since these American allies are not viewed as potentially challenging American superiority, they have more freedom and time to act as they desire to suit their interests without inviting American suspicion.
Because of this political reality, the Chinese cannot assume that they are playing on an even global financial playing field.
Wrong, GDP per capita pays an important role, their population is small compared to china and richer compared to that of china.
A fall in these countries, is when the govt interferes. In china it will be the govt coming in to save the govt, kind of strange ?



So like any flawed argument, China cannot collapse if only one side of the equation is weak. As long as viable solutions are available to address problems, then nothing too serious will happen. Only when both sides of the equation, the regulators and the regulated, are broken and out of options will the whole system come tumbling down.

The author is a columnist for Beijing Review and an adjunct professor of economics and finance at New York University
[This is a re-post. Thank you to Tianxia for the original post]

Agreed, as long as viable solutions come out economy stays afloat.
But you also need to remember that a fall is triggered by one incident, a statement from PNB Paribas about no liquidity in US market shaked the world economy. But the refusal of george bush to bailout banks from a $4 billion debt, made the world lose trillions !
 
Firstly let me make this clear, i speak as a student of economics not as a India/british

Property bubble exits Yes- Why ?
there are two different stories here, property bubble near eastern cost and property bubble near western/central china

Property bubble near cities like Shanghai and Beijing or other big cities are driven by investors, basically family are investing to catch in on every growing property market and to make quick bucks with Rentals

On western/central china the situation is different, here local government are striving to make complete their goal of development. Cities are built and funded by the local govt but the prices are so high the people who it was built for (rural population) cannot simple afford it. China is known for building in advance for future needs, but here it is difficult unless property rate's are slashed extensively
they also have interview with one of china's leading builders

Cost of rising labour cost is inevitable, as people get richer, they will demand more



that's why there is emphasis of a self correcting system, if in a open economy that money market is tight (no easy availability of fund) that pushes the rate of borrowing higher, which means people would borrow less or paymore. This would autocorrect, the best thing to do is let market inject more cash and cool down for a while, this autocorrect the inflation aswell.






here is the catch, US prints money on debt bonds sir, a promise to pay it's citizens. Its currency is accept all over the world and its bond have the highest ratings.Its still a stupid idea, but hey, the world is buying US debt bonds and fueling their economy.

chinese currency is circulated in china only, inflation would surpass the value of currency. You cannot point a gun at foreign investor and force them to buy your debt bond. But hell if you could do it, that would keep Chinese economy aflot too

To do that, Yuan would have to be liberalized and put a market exchangeable currency, thats where the problem starts. Supply and demand all over the world affects the market, but hang-on derivative traders are the major players here. They even screw up US dollar. China can force the world to pay in Yuan, that can keep it aflot, but the price of yuan vs dollar or yuan vs euro is still market controlled and changes with economic news and sentiments of people trading world over.

Two reasons, US fed had enough money to buy debt/mortgage bonds and people all over the world bought it too, including people in US the most.

This will depend on the chinese people to buy bonds, Chinese central bank also has alot of cash, but debt in china is increasing, hell even Chinese railways is in debt of $600 billion, mind you unlike US these are Govt debts, 4trillion - $600 billion is alot, simultaneously if the property bubble crashes it catastrophic, people have put their live earnings into investing in property. You see these are chain of commands that leads to the fall, just like the Domino




You have answered it yourself, it confidence that drives world market.

Chinese debt runs into trillions, govt is spending heavily to fuel growth. In case of a collapse, to reinvest the faith, govt would first have to pay trillions of dollars to its public to clear of it debt. China railways, china steel, according to bloomberg local chinese govt debt is $2.9 trillion alone and there are many more ... the problem that they are state control aggravates the problem, it sends out a signal that the govt has failed not a company, that will bring down the confidence my friend.



Wrong, GDP per capita pays an important role, their population is small compared to china and richer compared to that of china.
A fall in these countries, is when the govt interferes. In china it will be the govt coming in to save the govt, kind of strange ?





Agreed, as long as viable solutions come out economy stays afloat.
But you also need to remember that a fall is triggered by one incident, a statement from PNB Paribas about no liquidity in US market shaked the world economy. But the refusal of george bush to bailout banks from a $4 billion debt, made the world lose trillions !

Excellent points, well done.
 
Talk is talk。Talk is cheap。

All part of western propaganda to put China down。

Come back in 5 or 10 years and see what China has become then。

PS You are a fool if you think western economics can teach you anything。You are a even bigger fool if you think any so-called expert can see 3 months into the future。So stop the useless talkings(aka predictions based on so-called analysis)and start doing。
 
First, let me get this out of the way: I agree that China is not close to collapse.

That said, I am staggered that the author is a professor of economics and finance, as he doesn't demonstrate any understanding of the American financial crisis. I don't have much time right now, so I'll summarize:

1) Printing money inflated the very bubbles that caused the financial crisis, it's not some free money that unicorns provide to solve all problems. Easy money creates asset bubbles, period.

2) The US didn't print away its debt, it monetized the debt. Printing money bought time, but it also bought trillions of dollars of treasuries issued by the US government and held by the Federal Reserve. Interest on that debt still needs to be paid. Principal still needs to be repaid. I repeat, this was not free money.

3) "Covenant-lite" and no covenant debt had almost nothing to do with the financial crisis. It was homeowners taking on debt that they could never repay by lying about their income, then retail banks syndicating the mortgages to investment banks and lying about their quality, then investment banks recruiting the rating agencies to issue fraudulent ratings on the mortgage tranches so they could lie to institutional investors who bought those tranches about the risk involved. This was not a corporate debt crisis, this was a mortgage debt crisis, so covenants are not even relevant. Even if they were, covenants cannot prevent against default any more than laws can prevent murder. Covenants and the law only detail the conditions and details of punishment that results in their violations.

4) Countries don't buy US Treasuries because our military threatens them if they don't. They buy UST because it's a deep, liquid market, and issued by the largest economy on earth, with nearly 300 years of good credit. Buyers trust that their interest will be paid, their principal will be repaid, and that their investment is safe, not because the US military is strong.

5) Likewise, countries don't use the dollar because of military force, they use it because it's convenient due to the volumes of trade that the US engenders, just like they used the pound sterling before us, and they will use the renminbi after us now that China is the largest trading nation by volume.

For G-d's sake, I am embarrassed for NYU for hiring this guy.
oh he understands, I always maintained that people are fundamentally the same, be it democracy, black, white, crazy or otherwise.

This is why I said Americans are so easily brainwashed than Chinese, since our childhood, propaganda is the name of the game, so at this point we can easily tell which is which, just by hearing the tone of the article, while even though you clearly see the bad logic, and all you can say is that this guy is a fool.

There are no fools in NYU, there are propagandists. Oh and you don't have to be state sponsored to be that way. Peer pressure is as powerful on an adult as it is on a teen.
 
oh he understands, I always maintained that people are fundamentally the same, be it democracy, black, white, crazy or otherwise.

This is why I said Americans are so easily brainwashed than Chinese, since our childhood, propaganda is the name of the game, so at this point we can easily tell which is which, just by hearing the tone of the article, while even though you clearly see the bad logic, and all you can say is that this guy is a fool.

There are no fools in NYU, there are propagandists. Oh and you don't have to be state sponsored to be that way. Peer pressure is as powerful on an adult as it is on a teen.

My friend, I honestly don't understand what you're talking about.
 
oh he understands, I always maintained that people are fundamentally the same, be it democracy, black, white, crazy or otherwise.

This is why I said Americans are so easily brainwashed than Chinese, since our childhood, propaganda is the name of the game, so at this point we can easily tell which is which, just by hearing the tone of the article, while even though you clearly see the bad logic, and all you can say is that this guy is a fool.

There are no fools in NYU, there are propagandists. Oh and you don't have to be state sponsored to be that way. Peer pressure is as powerful on an adult as it is on a teen.

You really don't know what you're talking about. New York University is one of the best schools in the greater NYC area in terms of Finance, Clinical Psychology, Industrial Psychology/ HR , Engineering, and Medicine.

Its a pillar in Academia. Do seriously research before you post, my friend.
 
What's more likely, the woman/man is biased or NYU hires morons.


You really have no idea of the hiring processes of major universities such as New York University, which is in the same league as Fordham University , George Washington University, Seton Hall University etc.
 
You really don't know what you're talking about. New York University is one of the best schools in the greater NYC area in terms of Finance, Clinical Psychology, Industrial Psychology/ HR , Engineering, and Medicine.

Its a pillar in Academia. Do seriously research before you post, my friend.

That's exactly what I said. But good school doesn't guarentee ethics. Qinghua in China is also one of the best, but some of their views are also questionable at best.

I have been in Canada long enough to know that with some cash I can do, not everything I could in China, but it's pretty damn close. It's why to this date I have no speeding tickets, though I have been given quite a few. Also never waited in line in the hospital.
 
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