Can China’s Top Guns Fly?

[rashtriya.rifles]

It's your countryfellow who likes this India-China contest. I don't give a sh't about the movie or the intention of your country fellows. I don't think they should move this to the China section, instead, it should be moved to the Bollywood world, perhaps.

Nobody gves two hoots to what you guys or what your govt. thinks.. e.g.. Japan

ontopic : request MODs to move this to Chinese-def section..

PAF is superior to PLAAF in pilot quality,we certainly don't need to worry about the pilot quality of the midgets.
Their best log 208 flying hours,ours[mki guys] 250.

True that.. PAF can trump PLAAF big time.. We don't need to worry much.. they might as well bomb their won territory.

 

[JayAtl]

Yea, right...I'm too weak to fight an internet war, my fingers are trembling on the keyboard, my hands are palsied, and my body is feverished, and that is why I want it to be moved.

Oh wait, no. That's not it.

The article is entirely about China's pilots. It has to be in the china section. There can still be a discussion along the lines of what you want. In light of the article, we could discuss how it affects India, what this means for India's preparations, and so on, and similarly Vietnamese members can comment on what it means with respect to THEIR disputes with China, and Japanese members can talk about what it means to them, and the Chinese can respond, and the customary flame wars can begin.

But the topic of the article is strictly about China, and the CHina section is where it belongs.

(An article about the IAF's capabilities, or the Rafale aquisition will be in the India section, and because it affects pakistan (among others), pakistani members will discuss it in the India section. But the MRCA thread is in the Indian section. Not in the pakistan section, although it affects pakistan and any other potential adversaries.)

ahh the hall monitor gene in ya shows care for other folks from other countries to have a chance at a go on this topic. .

It's your countryfellow who likes this India-China contest. I don't give a sh't about the movie or the intention of your country fellows. I don't think they should move this to the China section, instead, it should be moved to the Bollywood world, perhaps.

from someone claiming not to give a sh't , you sure are spewing it out from your mouth.

 

[janon]

ahh the hall monitor gene in ya shows care for other folks from other countries to have a chance at a go on this topic. .

As you can see, the thread has been moved to the china defence section. Because its about China defence. End of story.

 

[JayAtl]

As you can see, the thread has been moved to the china defence section. Because its about China defence. End of story.

Of course it would be- that's where all threads that defy China go to die. be proud of your contribution towards it.

 

[S10]

Indian and quality do not go together.

 

[illusion8]

Indian and quality do not go together.

that's what normally said about chinese goodies and that's what we all have experienced till date.

 

[Genesis]

that's what normally said about chinese goodies and that's what we all have experienced till date.

You can't afford our good stuff. We sell you guys the poor quality crap cause that's the only thing you can afford.

 

[illusion8]

You can't afford our good stuff. We sell you guys the poor quality crap cause that's the only thing you can afford.

Oh yeah? wonder why most of the top brands sell in India then? let me know the name of chinese top brand other than Lenovo - if you have any? and no - noodle soup and shezwan are not brands.

 

[Akasa]

How exactly does a single crash represent the skill and quality of the entirety of the PLAAF? If quality is the issue here then Russia is the culprit since the aircraft used was a Su-27UBK, not an indigenous J-11BS.

PAF is superior to PLAAF in pilot quality,we certainly don't need to worry about the pilot quality of the midgets.
Their best log 208 flying hours,ours[mki guys] 250.

Post the evidence of the 208 flying hours.

that's what normally said about chinese goodies and that's what we all have experienced till date.

If you think they are manufactured in the same way the American sourced "goodies" are, then you are in for a surprise. Oh, by the way, the aircraft that crashed was a Russian Su-27UBK.

 

[Shinigami]

@Indianmembers, someone said that PAF has better quality pilots than PLAAF? what are u smoking? this may have been true in the 60s when pilot training and quality of the PAF was better even than IAF, but now, its the exact opposite

How exactly does a single crash represent the skill and quality of the entirety of the PLAAF? If quality is the issue here then Russia is the culprit since the aircraft used was a Su-27UBK, not an indigenous J-11BS.

the issue is not the single clearly visible crash the world knows about. the issue is the 100s of others the CPC has kept hidden.

 

[Genesis]

@Indianmembers, someone said that PAF has better quality pilots than PLAAF? what are u smoking? this may have been true in the 60s when pilot training and quality of the PAF was better even than IAF, but now, its the exact opposite



the issue is not the single clearly visible crash the world knows about. the issue is the 100s of others the CPC has kept hidden.

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/20110724.aspx

As you can see from this article, in 2011 China has moved to a more Western style of training instead of the Russians.

CHINA: More than 100,000 graduates apply to join army - University World News

From this link you can see the education of even infantry going way up.

The current Chinese army has a lot of problems, but it is getting better by the year. In terms of command, most officers are university graduates or better. They also receive education in Chinese military schools and some training in western countries.

The Chinese army is getting more and more professional and educated, soon most Chinese infantry will be university or college graduates, more adapt at information age warfare.

 

[Shinigami]

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/20110724.aspx

As you can see from this article, in 2011 China has moved to a more Western style of training instead of the Russians.

CHINA: More than 100,000 graduates apply to join army - University World News

From this link you can see the education of even infantry going way up.

The current Chinese army has a lot of problems, but it is getting better by the year. In terms of command, most officers are university graduates or better. They also receive education in Chinese military schools and some training in western countries.

The Chinese army is getting more and more professional and educated, soon most Chinese infantry will be university or college graduates, more adapt at information age warfare.

how can you have a "western style" of training when you are not a western country? the only way for that will be to exercise with the western countries. (Something India has been doing for years)

tell me, when was the last time china had an international exercise with a formidable air force?

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

How exactly does a single crash represent the skill and quality of the entirety of the PLAAF? If quality is the issue here then Russia is the culprit since the aircraft used was a Su-27UBK, not an indigenous J-11BS.



Post the evidence of the 208 flying hours.



If you think they are manufactured in the same way the American sourced "goodies" are, then you are in for a surprise. Oh, by the way, the aircraft that crashed was a Russian Su-27UBK.

'In flight training, today’s PLAAF reportedly gives pilots 200 hours a year in the air, a striking increase from the fewer than 24 hours a year during the depths of the Cultural Revolution. In this respect, the PLAAF is approaching the standard set by USAF. China’s days of fielding obsolete air forces with poor training and outdated doctrine have clearly come to an end.'
A Revolution for China
The article is not biased,its actually praising and hyping china's modernizing air force.Got the number 208 from a jane's article.

Nato has a MINIMUM requirement of 180 hrs for new recruits,most frontline pilots way more than that.USAF tactical pilots fly250-300 hrs.IAF standard 230-240 hrs.And the top guns[mki pilots] fly well over 250 ,[this was confirmed by visiting us pilots during air exercises].On top of that china barely has any exercises with quality airforces from around the world.Maintainence of ur 'premium' fighter j-10 is abysymal[reported in chinese media itself],so flying hours for that plane is bound to be low.On top of that ur air force structure is based with high level of political interfernce at every level with political commisssars interfering with commanders.And PLAAF has far less combat history than the IAF.In other words if it came down to 1 vs 1 in PLAAF pilot vs IAF pilot u better start praying to confucius for wisdom.

 

[S10]

that's what normally said about chinese goodies and that's what we all have experienced till date.

That's what we think of your soldiers in 1962 too.

 

[Genesis]

how can you have a "western style" of training when you are not a western country? the only way for that will be to exercise with the western countries. (Something India has been doing for years)

tell me, when was the last time china had an international exercise with a formidable air force?

Really, well that doesn't stop the haters from saying our jets are copies of Americans.

How can we have a F-22, F-35 copy when we have no access to them.

BTW, it just means, it's getting more flexible, the mission of the airforce is vastly expanded, and the flying hours massively increased.