Can China’s Top Guns Fly?

[applesauce]

i think you guys dont realize just how recently china became rich(government wise), its inluence and interest expanded globally and started modernizing its military.

the entire chinese military is being remade from a force based on numbers and low tech, easy to produce hardware to a more Us style, high tech, expensive, mobile force. this is no small task by any means and takes time, and frankly its probably about right that chinese pilots/trainers were very conservative after all 30 years back a pilot(afterall these guys didnt have alot of training back then) was probably cheaper than the airplane itself(and the airframe was cheap). but it has starting changing greatly, more training, greater economy power, smaller but much more powerful force. the PLAAF is starting to take more risks because it can afford them now. the CPC has publically started a timeline for completion of mobilzation, theres much more to be done til we can complete with the US on equal terms(CPC is prediction 30ish years to go)

 

[kollang]

why do Indian members here act like what Turkish members do to Iranian achievments?

I see Indian members criticizing Chinese air force pilots abilities.while we all know Chinese air force is trying hard on training jet projects that will improve their pilots skills.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

Indians cheer whenever Chinese stumble because in their twisted mindset, they can benefit from our misfortune and catch up. The larger the gap between us and them, the more they hate and less energy is dedicated to actually working hard.

 

[hk299792458]

If the real question is has PLAAF some real time training tracking and review systems like Top Gun or else, the answer is definitively yes.

These systems are developped and deployed, and are using widely in PLAAF and PLANAF training.

I would kindly invite moderators to lock this thread. No additional value..

Henri K.

 

[hk299792458]

Today's footage from CCTV shown once again that the new real-time monitoring assessment system help Air Force flight training, main flight data like engine data...etc can be monitored directly on ground and help to improve PLAAF training quality

Henri K.

 

[Great China]

why do Indian members here act like what Turkish members do to Iranian achievments?

I see Indian members criticizing Chinese air force pilots abilities.while we all know Chinese air force is trying hard on training jet projects that will improve their pilots skills.

You wonder why? Very simple! This is typical of indians with inferiority complex+envy+frustration+disappointments

Inferiority complex=india's land is 1/3 of China; indian people are shorter, on average, than chinese; and their IQ is also lower (average chinese IQ 100, us IQ 98, indian IQ 81)

Envy= China is already a superpower, India is still in a dream (that hardly will become reality..)

Frustration=China is now developing almost all weapons and technology by herself while India is almost totally dependant from others. India don't even know how to copy (in order to save money), they say it's not a fair thing...you're a copycat..bla..bla..bla...but the truth is they simply cannot. What they are good for is only shopping.




I hope now you have understand why indians here like posting and laughing at chinese.

What I can't explain you is the post title: "Can China's Top Guns Fly?", I could ask "Can India's Top Gun FLy Too?"

IAF lost 29 fighter planes in past 3 years: Minister | Indian Military News
Indian Air Force lost half of MiG fighter jets in deadly crashes : North, News - India Today

after reading these links, the answer is obviously NO!

 

[Joe Shearer]

PAF is superior to PLAAF in pilot quality,we certainly don't need to worry about the pilot quality of the midgets.
Their best log 208 flying hours,ours[mki guys] 250.

Oh Gosh! You are behind the times! didn't you know that each Pakistani hour is worth ten Indian hours? And, almost needless to add, each Chinese hour is worth ten deeper than the deepest ocean Pakistani hour?

Silly boy.

 

[Akasa]

@Indianmembers, someone said that PAF has better quality pilots than PLAAF? what are u smoking? this may have been true in the 60s when pilot training and quality of the PAF was better even than IAF, but now, its the exact opposite



the issue is not the single clearly visible crash the world knows about. the issue is the 100s of others the CPC has kept hidden.

If it was "hidden" then how do people know they exist at all?

 

[Akasa]

'In flight training, today’s PLAAF reportedly gives pilots 200 hours a year in the air, a striking increase from the fewer than 24 hours a year during the depths of the Cultural Revolution. In this respect, the PLAAF is approaching the standard set by USAF. China’s days of fielding obsolete air forces with poor training and outdated doctrine have clearly come to an end.'
A Revolution for China
The article is not biased,its actually praising and hyping china's modernizing air force.Got the number 208 from a jane's article.

Nato has a MINIMUM requirement of 180 hrs for new recruits,most frontline pilots way more than that.USAF tactical pilots fly250-300 hrs.IAF standard 230-240 hrs.And the top guns[mki pilots] fly well over 250 ,[this was confirmed by visiting us pilots during air exercises].On top of that china barely has any exercises with quality airforces from around the world.Maintainence of ur 'premium' fighter j-10 is abysymal[reported in chinese media itself],so flying hours for that plane is bound to be low.On top of that ur air force structure is based with high level of political interfernce at every level with political commisssars interfering with commanders.And PLAAF has far less combat history than the IAF.In other words if it came down to 1 vs 1 in PLAAF pilot vs IAF pilot u better start praying to confucius for wisdom.

The article you posted cites no sources for its information. Western or even Chinese civilian sources are usually very incorrect when it comes to the PLAAF since they maintain a secretive grip on its information. China honestly doesn't need exercises with other air forces, although such a thing would be nice. They hold their own 100-warbird simulated combat war games.

We'd like to hear where you got the conclusion that the J-10 maintenance is poor. And BTW, the J-10A isn't China's "premium" fighter.

You think the PLAAF ranks aren't related with politics? Why do you think commanders get fired after crashes like the KJ-200?

Pilot training comes with both time and method. Saying that IAF pilots are "superior" is pretty narrow minded.

 

[Genesis]

If it was "hidden" then how do people know they exist at all?

well, you know how some people "know" about the "illuminati?" well, that's how they "know."
@SinoSoldier

you can't take these claims too seriously, where do you expect them to find sources when the source is inside their own head

 

[Akasa]

how can you have a "western style" of training when you are not a western country? the only way for that will be to exercise with the western countries. (Something India has been doing for years)

tell me, when was the last time china had an international exercise with a formidable air force?

How can a person cook Mexican food if he's not Mexican? China is known to hold its own hundred-plane wargames that are integrated with EW and other Air Force assets. They also have been following American doctrine from the start. International exercises are a show of friendship and a way to exchange ideas, but the real training is done at home.

 

[GR!FF!N]

well,I think both Indian and Chinese members hould quit trolling and taking cheap shot to each other and posting more and more info on the topic..

China's main problem is that their Airforce got very little exercises with other airforces around the world.an international exercise(something like Read Flag) teaches any airforce a great deal of technical knowledge that can even be used to modify any country's own mechanisms of various sectors during war.its not something you can buy from market. eg..PLAN will soon begin to operate aircraft from carriers.they will find it hard to operate(as expected because every country did) and will crash several aircrafts during landing.even advanced technology can't prevent this,forget about real time landing during the war when every possible situation they could have to face.or various kinds of engagement policy against enemy aircrafts(every kind of aircraft can be potential enemy during war if used effectively,even 3rd gen Mig-21),this kind of thing never come without experience.and PLAAF and PLAN lacks this kind of knowledge/technique as their govt never allows to exercise with other forces.not everything you can build,and thats a matter of fact.thats why countries around the world perform joint exercises,or else,there would've no need for that.

 

[SQ8]

Oh Gosh! You are behind the times! didn't you know that each Pakistani hour is worth ten Indian hours? And, almost needless to add, each Chinese hour is worth ten deeper than the deepest ocean Pakistani hour?

Silly boy.

There is a flipside to that remark..
in the infallible Rafalukh Khan and MKItabh Bachan are invincible vein.
When stereotyping psyche, remember the mirror..

 

[hk299792458]

well,I think both Indian and Chinese members hould quit trolling and taking cheap shot to each other and posting more and more info on the topic..

China's main problem is that their Airforce got very little exercises with other airforces around the world.an international exercise(something like Read Flag) teaches any airforce a great deal of technical knowledge that can even be used to modify any country's own mechanisms of various sectors during war.its not something you can buy from market. eg..PLAN will soon begin to operate aircraft from carriers.they will find it hard to operate(as expected because every country did) and will crash several aircrafts during landing.even advanced technology can't prevent this,forget about real time landing during the war when every possible situation they could have to face.or various kinds of engagement policy against enemy aircrafts(every kind of aircraft can be potential enemy during war if used effectively,even 3rd gen Mig-21),this kind of thing never come without experience.and PLAAF and PLAN lacks this kind of knowledge/technique as their govt never allows to exercise with other forces.not everything you can build,and thats a matter of fact.thats why countries around the world perform joint exercises,or else,there would've no need for that.

Never say never...

Henri K.

 

[jaunty]

why do Indian members here act like what Turkish members do to Iranian achievments?

I see Indian members criticizing Chinese air force pilots abilities.while we all know Chinese air force is trying hard on training jet projects that will improve their pilots skills.

Because Chinese members do the same? Have you seen their posts on topics related to India? In short it's a troll war going on here, don't take it too seriously.