Can an Indonesian Model Work in the Middle East?

[Abu Dhabi]

Indonesians are more "moderate" Muslims while ME is more "fundamentalist".

I totally Disagree. I do however understand why one would have such an opinion, lets take the UAE as an example

1- Arab
2-near KSA
3-desert
4-islam
5-not a democracy

i travelled to all these majority Muslims Asian countries and i found that many of them are SO MUCH more fundamental and strict with their religious beliefs and practices. You will not find this amongst Emiratis. Rarely.

I am sure if Emiratis started speaking French, built a wall on the KSA border , turned into forests and running rivers, we would be put on par with Austria lol ok a bit of a stretch but you get what i'm saying.

 

[UKBengali]

I totally Disagree. I do however understand why one would have such an opinion, lets take the UAE as an example

1- Arab
2-near KSA
3-desert
4-islam
5-not a democracy

i travelled to all these majority Muslims Asian countries and i found that many of them are SO MUCH more fundamental and strict with their religious beliefs and practices. You will not find this amongst Emiratis. Rarely.

I am sure if Emiratis started speaking French, built a wall on the KSA border , turned into forests and running rivers, we would be put on par with Austria lol ok a bit of a stretch but you get what i'm saying.

With all due respects, you guys are irrelevant in the grand total of the ME population.

The other question is what makes you a separate nation than say the Kuwaitis or Saudis? Same ethnic group, religion, language, customs etc.

 

[Abu Dhabi]

With all due respects, you guys are irrelevant in the grand total of the ME population.

The other question is what makes you a separate nation than say the Kuwaitis or Saudis? Same ethnic group, religion, language, customs etc.

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[Beast]

Indonesia is republic. Most middle east countries are not.

 

[Indos]

Not at all.

Indonesians are more "moderate" Muslims while ME is more "fundamentalist".

They should be left alone to come to their own equilibrium, rather than others interfering all the time.

Look up on how many Indonesian women wear hijab despite it is not obligated like in Saudi or Iran. IMO the reason is due to tolerance and unity between the Islamist and Nationalist group. Unlike what happen in Egypt, Indonesia also has Nationalist Religious group, a Nationalist political group that dont have any hesitancy to partner with the Islamist group.

It is more like general population. This is in West Java.

This is of elite class since this Mall is located in Pondok Indah, an elite housing in South Jakarta

 

[Indos]

This is South Jakarta, greener and populated with upper middle class.

Pondok Indah, South Jakarta

 

[zartosht]

Indonesia is in western pockets. you are not a geopolitical target.

that is the only reason why you have political stability. If Indonesia was a chinese ally, or independent like Iran, or opposed western interests in any way shape or form.....

. it would have long ago disintegerated and split up, with western supported "democracy" and "insurgents","color revolutions" and other forms of western aggression/terrorism.

Indonesia even teamed up with Australia to blatantly steal east timors oil. those savage filthy aussies couldnt resist looting an impoverished lands resources to enrich a couple of extra fat aussie businessmen.

(just imagine if China had blatantly stole a countries oil like australia did, and what the western/media reaction would be)

There is nothing impressive about Indonesias political system that others need to emulate.

 

[Indos]

Indonesia is in western pockets. you are not a geopolitical target.

that is the only reason why you have political stability. If Indonesia was a chinese ally, or independent like Iran, or opposed western interests in any way shape or form.....

. it would have long ago disintegerated and split up, with western supported "democracy" and "insurgents","color revolutions" and other forms of western aggression/terrorism.

Indonesia even teamed up with Australia to blatantly steal east timors oil. those savage filthy aussies couldnt resist looting an impoverished lands resources to enrich a couple of extra fat aussie businessmen.

(just imagine if China had blatantly stole a countries oil like australia did, and what the western/media reaction would be)

There is nothing impressive about Indonesias political system that others need to emulate.

Indonesia is always Independent in its foreign policy. We treat China as friend as well and not targeting China. Actually Iran depends on China and this is why your government dont criticize Uigyur treatment there while Indonesia do make action over the issue directly into China foreign minister, right in front of his nose, direct contact. We also summon their Ambassador to bring explanation about the situation in Xin Jiang.

The reason we are close to USA is because our partnership to fight communism in the past ( where for this case we bring soldiers to invade East Timor and also to Malaysia to fight their communism insurgency together with Malaysian armed force) and also due to SCS issue as we know China stated that 9 dash line is their territory. Not only it is related to our direct interest since their 9 dash line enroching our Natuna Sea EEZ, but also as defacto ASEAN leader and regional power in SEA since several ASEAN countries get effected by China nine dash line.

Indonesia can be against USA interest in many issues, particularly Palestine. Indonesia also refuse to give USA the permanent refueling base for their Navy while Singapore and Malaysia give it to USA.

Indonesia opposes US military base in Subic and Clark, Philippine during 1990's, where US finally leave and during SBY leadership we are also opposing their military base in Darwin, Australia.

This is just one example where are against US interest in relation with Palestinian issues

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Indonesia also get attack financially by Jew Soros in 1997 and we were under US and British defense military equipment embargo since 1995-2005.

The period of 1998-2004 is actually a financial and political transformation of Indonesia if you see the history. The period is very critical and make Indonesia get much stronger than before in term of economy, internal politics, and unity among our ethnics and political powers ( Nasionalist, Nationalist religious, Islamist ).

 

[Titanium100]

The entire article is flawed and based on assumptions and pretty much intellectually bankrupt. This sums everything up before you vast your time reading it..

You may ask why? Because if you are not willing to dive into the Islamic jurisdiction itself than you shouldn't write about such matters you have no knowledge off.. It is initially someone in the dark trying to write about something he knows nothing off..

Moderate model is inside the Jurisdiction and you can only fail to see that if you fail to read the jurisdiction and if you didn't than you will be living in assumption and it will remain intellectually bankrupt for these who understand it when they see this

 

[Indos]

Sri Mulyani acknowledged, RI was helped by a miracle when hit by Covid​

NEWS - Lidya Julita Sembiring, CNBC Indonesia
11 March 2022 12:35

Photo: Minister of Finance Sri Mulyani (Screenshot of the Presidential Secretariat Youtube)


Jakarta, CNBC Indonesia - Indonesia is one of the countries that is able to handle the crisis due to the Covid-19 pandemic well. This is reflected in the performance of the economy until the deficit is better than many other countries.

Finance Minister Sri Mulyani Indrawati said this was because the government and parliament were very compact in making policies to overcome the crisis. Even the various political parties in Indonesia are so compact.

"We are in a situation like this, the democratic system in Indonesia and our multi-party can still have the same vision to build it, I think it's a miracle," she said in the socialization of the HPP Law in Central Java which was broadcast on the DGT Youtube quoted Friday (11/3/2022) .

This is what makes Indonesia different from other countries. Where the government and politicians are not in line. Even among political parties, many are hostile to each other.

"Not many democratic countries can do that, you know. In the United States, democrats and republicans keep fighting. So the enemy is inside, the enemy is outside. We, even though there are blue, yellow, red colors, but all have the same concern for building a better Indonesia," she explained.

This cohesiveness is reflected in the flexibility of the state budget when facing a pandemic. Where in 2020 even the state budget changes were made repeatedly until Law No. 2 of 2020.

This law gives the government the authority to determine the deficit can be above 3% for three consecutive years, from 2020 to 2023. All policies are carried out quickly so that the most depressed and affected people are greatly helped.

Currently, the economic recovery will continue so that the government must restore the deficit in accordance with the State Finance Law. This is considered to be realized because business actors can again pay taxes.

"We help the community to business actors by providing incentives and when they get back up they pay taxes and we can continue fiscal consolidation," she concluded.

Diakui Sri Mulyani, RI Tertolong Mukjizat Saat Dihantam Covid

Indonesia adalah salah satu negara yang mampu mengatasi krisis akibat pandemi Covid-19 dengan baik.

www.cnbcindonesia.com

 

[nahtanbob]

I am sure if Emiratis started speaking French, built a wall on the KSA border , turned into forests and running rivers, we would be put on par with Austria lol ok a bit of a stretch but you get what i'm saying.

that was funny

 

[Menthol]

The good government came from the quality of the men.

Even if you are given the world's greatest system, if the heart and mind of the man are not right, it will be corrupt and broken.

The vice versa is applied as well.


A great country is reflecting the quality of the men there.

 

[Indos]

Bump

 

[Bengal71]

Not at all.

Indonesians are more "moderate" Muslims while ME is more "fundamentalist".

They should be left alone to come to their own equilibrium, rather than others interfering all the time.

Only parts of middle east is fundamentalist. Most of middle east is even less conservative that Bangladesh.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Only parts of middle east is fundamentalist. Most of middle east is even less conservative that Bangladesh.

Bangladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia are all conservative Muslim countries-
Shias are considered non Muslim in Malaysia and Afaik salafists are a powerful sect in Indonesia

In diaspora bangalis are more relgious than Pakistanis in my experience atleast, In Indonesia people observe hijab way more strictly than in say north Africa or Pakistan

People talk down the religious values of SEA Muslims (or Muslim countries outside of continuous Muslim heartland from parts of Africa all the way up to Pakistan) for some reason which never made sense to me

Muslims outside of Muslim heartland are just as if not more religiously conservative than Muslims in Muslim heartland

Lebonan, North Africa, Levant are not religiously conservative countries

Indonesia is always Independent in its foreign policy. We treat China as friend as well and not targeting China. Actually Iran depends on China and this is why your government dont criticize Uigyur treatment there while Indonesia do make action over the issue directly into China foreign minister, right in front of his nose, direct contact. We also summon their Ambassador to bring explanation about the situation in Xin Jiang.

The reason we are close to USA is because our partnership to fight communism in the past ( where for this case we bring soldiers to invade East Timor and also to Malaysia to fight their communism insurgency together with Malaysian armed force) and also due to SCS issue as we know China stated that 9 dash line is their territory. Not only it is related to our direct interest since their 9 dash line enroching our Natuna Sea EEZ, but also as defacto ASEAN leader and regional power in SEA since several ASEAN countries get effected by China nine dash line.

Indonesia can be against USA interest in many issues, particularly Palestine. Indonesia also refuse to give USA the permanent refueling base for their Navy while Singapore and Malaysia give it to USA.

Indonesia opposes US military base in Subic and Clark, Philippine during 1990's, where US finally leave and during SBY leadership we are also opposing their military base in Darwin, Australia.

This is just one example where are against US interest in relation with Palestinian issues

----------------------------------------------------

Indonesia also get attack financially by Jew Soros in 1997 and we were under US and British defense military equipment embargo since 1995-2005.

The period of 1998-2004 is actually a financial and political transformation of Indonesia if you see the history. The period is very critical and make Indonesia get much stronger than before in term of economy, internal politics, and unity among our ethnics and political powers ( Nasionalist, Nationalist religious, Islamist ).

Indonesia criticized China for their testament of Uyghur Muslims which most Muslim countries won't dare to

Indonesia alongside Saudi, turkey and Egypt boycotted India G-20 summit in occupied Kashmir

Anything but puppets in my eyes - not saying that just cause you're an Indonesian