Can a Muslim be an Indian?

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[scorpionx]

A very interesting and nice read after a long time. Personally, what I felt after reading it is that, (assuming it has not been covered in the rest of the writing) the article, in its quest for the concept of Muslim nationalism and nationalist Muslim, has strolled a little bit more in the period between 1937 to 1947; emphasizing strongly on the creation of an exclusive state for Muslims and the further repercussions among political and social quarters.

It is entirely my own perception that, the study of Indian Nationalism and the role of Islam in it will remain incomplete if we exclude four different points at different times of Indian History viz the introduction of Islam in North West and South West of India in eighth century and the nature of its further penetration into the existing societies, a detailed study of the Medina Charter, Mughal emperor Akbar's concept of rahi aql in 16th Century and finally, a more detailed discourse on the Muslim sentiments in North West Frontier province, Punjab, Sindh, Baluchistan and Bengal (where Musllims enjoyed substantial majority) about a separate Islamic State. Only then, perhaps we will understand better, the role of Islam in Indian (unified) nationalism amidst of massive heterogeneity and its present implications.

PS: No comments, anyone?

 

[SrNair]

At a glance, if we consider the meaning of thread title only then of course .Crores of example including our President APJ Abdul Kalam who taught India to ignite her youths and Childrens mind.
But content of the thread is good.Need a good read.

 

[Sugarcane]

Can anybody summarize for lazy persons like me?

 

[Levina]

Gist of this article is that partition should've never happened.
what did it fetch us?? Confusion...just confusion.
How many confused souls were we left with???
A confused Jinnah who first gave the 2 nation theory and later on during his speech said "you may belong to any state,caste or creed but that has nothing to do with the business of the state".... which is exactly what Nehru said in India. So how different was Pakistan from India when we started??
And then we had a confused Raja of mahmudabad, right hand man of Jinnah who resigned from Muslim league party and lived in India because he felt his party had done "hara kiri".
Next was Ustad bade Ghulam khan who went to Pakistan during partition and came back.
Josh Malihabadi who famously said "we can not partition urdu" kept going to and fro from India to Pakistan only to realise that he had no nation and no home left after partition.
The 2 nation theory divided people , muslims who favored for a separate state and stayed back in India after partition were looked upon with suspicion and because of 'em other muslims too faced the same plight.
By favoring a separate nation muslims had shot themselves in the foot.

But my answer to author's question can a muslim be an Indian ...is Yes!
If a sikh, buddhist,anglo-Indian or a hindu can be an Indian then a muslim can be an Indian too.

But "we have no place for those who sow the seeds of separation" (as Vallabh bhai Patel put it).

PS: No comments, anyone?

hehehe
thats an eleven pages long article...do you think our internet warriors have that kinda time??

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Why did India completely remove "religion" from their 2011 census?

What exactly is there to be afraid of?

 

[SQ8]

Gist of this article is that partition should've never happened.
what did it fetch us?? Confusion...just confusion.
How many confused souls were we left with???
A confused Jinnah who first gave the 2 nation theory and later on during his speech said "you may belong to any state,caste or creed but that has nothing to do with the business of the state".... which is exactly what Nehru said in India. So how different was Pakistan from India when we started??
And then we had a confused Raja of mahmudabad, right hand man of Jinnah who resigned from Muslim league party and lived in India because he felt his party had done "hara kiri".
Next was Ustad bade Ghulam khan who went to Pakistan during partition and came back.
Josh Malihabadi who famously said "we can not partition urdu" kept going to and fro from India to Pakistan only to realise that he had no nation and no home left after partition.
The 2 nation theory divided people , muslims who favored for a separate state and stayed back in India after partition were looked upon with suspicion and because of 'em other muslims too faced the same plight.
By favoring a separate nation muslims had shot themselves in the foot.

But my answer to author's question can a muslim be an Indian ...is Yes!
If a sikh, buddhist,anglo-Indian or a hindu can be an Indian then a muslim can be an Indian too.

But "we have no place for those who sow the seeds of separation" (as Vallabh bhai Patel put it).


hehehe
thats an eleven pages long article...do you think out internet warriors have that kinda time??

The requirement for a separate economic platform where Muslims would be able to leverage their collective to uplift themselves on an economic level was there and just. Same as the requirement for them to be governed by laws they saw fit. But could this not all be accomplished within a single "Union" of states?

A greater study of Jinnah, cleansed from the state propaganda from both sides is needed to realize that this was his initial ideal all along. Even after Pakistan came into being, he wished for both nations to be very close.. yet the elements within the Indian side which had their ill feelings and those within Pakistan later ensured that such was to never end up happening.

There will always be Indian Muslims, but whether they will ever be free from being demonized from the majority due to the existence of Pakistan is the actual question.

 

[Roybot]

Why did India completely remove "religion" from their 2011 census?

What exactly is there to be afraid of?

It was done by the Congress government, possibly to hide the effects of illegal migration from Bangladesh. Expect the religion data to make a comeback under the BJP government.

 

[Levina]

Why did India completely remove "religion" from their 2011 census?

What exactly is there to be afraid of?

we dont want our ppl to put religion before their nationality once again. We dont want to divide India once more.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

we dont want our ppl to put religion before their nationality once again. We dont want to divide India once more.

So all the demographic data will be up to date... except religion.

For religion, the data will be decades old.

It's such a specific and pointed omission. Why would including the religious demographics cause India to be divided?

 

[Levina]

The requirement for a separate economic platform where Muslims would be able to leverage their collective to uplift themselves on an economic level was there and just. Same as the requirement for them to be governed by laws they saw fit. But could this not all be accomplished within a single "Union" of states?

United India could've also achieved the "upliftment" of muslims.

A greater study of Jinnah, cleansed from the state propaganda from both sides is needed to realize that this was his initial ideal all along. Even after Pakistan came into being, he wished for both nations to be very close.. yet the elements within the Indian side which had their ill feelings and those within Pakistan later ensured that such was to never end up happening.

The partition was so bitter that nobody could even dream of cooperating with ppl who divided the nation .I'm not surprised that Jinnah's wish that both the nations remained close after partition never achieved fruition.

There will always be Indian Muslims, but whether they will ever be free from being demonized from the majority due to the existence of Pakistan is the actual question.

we dont "demonize" muslims in the first place.

So all the demographic data will be up to date... except religion.

For religion, the data will be decades old.

If I'm given a form to fill my religion i might just leave that row blank now.
If we call ourselves one nation then why do we need religions to divide it?
High time ppl moved out of the influence of their religions.

. Why would including the religious demographics cause India to be divided?

what good would inclusion of the religions do???

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

what good would inclusion of the religions do???

Because it is one of the major demographic factors?

Why measure demographics... if you're not going to measure demographics?

The 2001 Indian census included religion, but it was suddenly removed for the 2011 census a decade later.

 

[Levina]

Because it is one of the major demographic factors?

Why measure demographics... if you're not going to measure demographics?

The 2001 Indian census included religion, but it was suddenly removed for the 2011 census a decade later.

you havent answered my question, how will the religious headcount help?

And demographics includes so many other socio economic characteristics of the population such as age,gender,income,size of the family etc so what if religion is excluded??

Btw afaik the goevrnment had only refused to give out religion related data which indicates that it might have the stats.