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Cameron's inflammatory comments against Pakistan: I meant Pakistanis are terrorists..

A rose is rose is rose, A spade is spade is spade.

Let me ask a question to Pakistani members:
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Q:Where is WoT going on.
A:AF & Pakistan.

Q:Where those people live with whom the WOT is been fought.
A: Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Q;What should Pakistan do.
A: Pakistan must eliminate those terrorist within Pakistan.

Q:What was UK PM saying.
A: He was saying the same what we all know, but since he is in India our allergy has gone systemic and we can not tolerate him. If he would have been in Pakistan like Hilary Clinton who openly said that Osama is in Pakistan (a world famous terrorist) then we would have not made those nauseating noises on streets.
 
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Cameron Denies Terror Comments Damaged Relations With Pakistan Government - Bloomberg



Oh wow, thanks for calling us a terrorist!

Fact is fact, you went to India and sold us out to our enemy. No other way this is seen by Pakistanis. Damn right relations are damaged...

SIR you think our government will ever stand up to him? OUR LOBBYING IS TO WEAK! our government has NO COMMENTS to everything!!

we love to burry our head in the sand and act as if nothing is wrong and no one is pointing our way!!

on the wikileaks we stayed more or less quiet on CAMERON's remarks we stayed quiet!!

please don't feel to good about the fact that "RELATIONSHIPS WILL BE DAMAGED"!!!

trust me the UK will give our leaders $100 million and our leaders will forget anything was ever said!!

the world will keep believing we are a rouge state egged on by india & we will never stand up to defend ourselves!
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Cameron: 'I'm Right About Pakistan Terror'
12:12pm UK, Thursday July 29, 2010

Miranda Richardson, Sky News Online David Cameron has told Sky News he will not withdraw his controversial call for more action from the Pakistan government against terrorism.
During a trip to India,  the Prime Minister said Pakistan must not be allowed to "promote the export of terror" to the world.

Pakistan's high commissioner to Britain, Wajid Shamsul Hasan, said people in Pakistan were "really hurt" by Mr Cameron's remarks and called on him to "make amends".

But in an interview with Sky's political editor Adam Boulton, Mr Cameron said: "I think you should say what you think, and be frank and clear.

"It's not acceptable that there are still terrorist groups working in Pakistan.

"We need to work with the government there to shut them down.

"There is action being taken, but we need to see more."

From 'junior partners', to 'Gaza prison camp' to 'Pakistan must do more' – Cameron's colourful language has attracted more attention than usual for official tours. Adam Boulton, political editor
The Prime Minister told Boulton Britain needed a "gritty, realistic, hard-headed foreign policy".

"It's all part of a common agenda towards a strong economy," he said.

"It's a signal to the rest of the world that Britain wants to trade again, invest again, make things again."

He also defended his charm offensive in India, saying: "It's not a question of humbling ourselves.

"This is a jobs mission.

"India is one of the fastest-growing economies in the world - one of the stars of the future.
 
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Not half as arrogant as people who believe that anyone in the world is buying the obfuscations that that many in Pakistan are so desperately trying to sell.
What obfuscations? Pakistan and Pakistanis have called for substantiation of all these allegations that keep being regurgitated by various parties. Without credible evidence these allegations have no validity - to call that 'obfuscation' and 'arrogance' is a rather irrational argument to make.
You are confusing different issues and I am not convinced that is accidental. Would the Americans have the ability to ferret out the information from Headley? Absolutely ! Does it necessarily follow that the Americans want this out in the public domain? Not at all!
Now you are getting into 'conspiracy theories' and 'obfuscation' of your own, by coming up with some contorted explanations of why Headley's alleged 'confessions' are not on his deposition to a US court (public record) since he was supposed to reveal all his information as part of his plea agreement.

One of the supposed criticisms voiced from the Americans on the Headley issue was that it was revealed openly in the public domain. They have not disputed anything that Indian sources have said. On others threads like you have done above, you have questioned the claims of the Indian sources. Headley was interviewed in the the presence of his lawyer as well as the FBI. No one has come forward & cast doubts on the veracity of Indian claims. You can choose to believe what you want, however no amount of verbal & mental contortions will change the fact that Pakistan is now increasingly being viewed as the villain of the piece. No amount of name calling & hand wringing is going to change that.
Any thing obtained during Headley's interrogation was to remain private. US objections arise from the fact that any statements by India attributed to Headley, true or false, violate the conditions of his interrogation and complicate the Headley trial. The US is justified in opposing Indian verbal diarrhea on this issue from a legal perspective, and the lack of a denial and confirmation is completely in line with the fact that the US cannot confirm or deny any comments being attributed to Headley under an agreement that requires confidentiality.

And again, Headley has a publicly available deposition - why are none of these alleged confessions in there, since the US had been interrogating Headley for quite some time by then.
As for why Americans keep quiet, why should that be surprising? According to the documents on WikiLeaks, they have not gone public with many of the accusations preferring to handle it in private meetings.
The 180 or so documents on wikileaks involving Pakistan are also largely not credible or verified - that was made pretty clear on the Guardian lead article on the leaks, and has subsequently been echoed by various other Western officials (all detailed on the wikileaks thread, which you should peruse if you are not sure on that count). So of course such speculative and unsubstantiated reports had no business being brought publicly.

US silence on Headley can only mean two things, as I pointed out earlier:

1. The Headley 'confessions' broadcast by the Indian media are concoted and false (likely since Headley's deposition does not contain anything remotely close to them).

2. The US has dismissed Indian concerns (which goes to my point about PR victories not tangible affecting G2G relationships).
 
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A rose is rose is rose, A spade is spade is spade.

Let me ask a question to Pakistani members:
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Q:Where is WoT going on.
A:AF & Pakistan.

Q:Where those people live with whom the WOT is been fought.
A: Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Q;What should Pakistan do.
A: Pakistan must eliminate those terrorist within Pakistan.

Q:What was UK PM saying.
A: He was saying the same what we all know, but since he is in India our allergy has gone systemic and we can not tolerate him. If he would have been in Pakistan like Hilary Clinton who openly said that Osama is in Pakistan (a world famous terrorist) then we would have not made those nauseating noises on streets.
I don't buy that, even we understand that there is an issue in Pakistan but the British PM clearly was more interested in showing us the middle finger than trying to solve a problem.

He clearly wanted to please the Indians at the expense of Pakistanis.
 
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SIR you think our government will ever stand up to him? OUR LOBBYING IS TO WEAK! our government has NO COMMENTS to everything!!

we love to burry our head in the sand and act as if nothing is wrong and no one is pointing our way!!

on the wikileaks we stayed more or less quiet on CAMERON's remarks we stayed quiet!!

please don't feel to good about the fact that "RELATIONSHIPS WILL BE DAMAGED"!!!

trust me the UK will give our leaders $100 million and our leaders will forget anything was ever said!!

the world will keep believing we are a rouge state egged on by india & we will never stand up to defend ourselves!
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I agree man, our government is behaving like cowards who can't do their job and fend off attacks off Pakistan.
 
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NEW DELHI: British Prime Minister David Cameron was mired in a diplomatic row with Islamabad Thursday over comments made on a trade-driven trip to India about the “export of terror” from Pakistan.

Pakistan's ambassador to Britain accused Cameron of “damaging the prospects of regional peace” with his remarks on Wednesday in the southern Indian IT hub of Bangalore.

The foreign ministry in Islamabad reminded the British premier of Pakistan's sacrifices in the fight against terror, adding that militant networks, “as the UK knows full well”, know no borders.

Cameron's trip to India was meant to showcase his new foreign policy based on commercial interests, but the minefield of India-Pakistan relations and regional security risked overshadowing his pitch for investment and open trade.

Asked about unrest in South Asia on Wednesday, Cameron responded with a warning to Pakistan against becoming a haven for militant groups or giving them support to strike targets in India or Afghanistan.

“We cannot tolerate in any sense the idea that this country (Pakistan) is allowed to look both ways and is able, in any way, to promote the export of terror, whether to India or whether to Afghanistan or anywhere else in the world,” he said.

His remarks came days after the leak of secret US military documents that detailed alleged links between Pakistan's intelligence services and Taliban insurgents in Afghanistan.

“We should be very, very clear with Pakistan that we want to see a strong, stable and democratic Pakistan,” Cameron said. “It should be a relationship based on a very clear message: that it is not right to have any relationship with groups that are promoting terror.”

In London, Pakistani High Commissioner Wajid Shamsul Hasan voiced his government's deep disappointment, saying Cameron had chosen to ignore Pakistan's “enormous role” in the war on terror.

“He seems to be more reliant on information based on intelligence leaks, despite it lacking credibility or corroborating proof,” said Hasan, writing to The Guardian newspaper.

“A bilateral visit aimed at attracting business could have been conducted without damaging the prospects of regional peace,” he added.

In Islamabad, foreign ministry spokesman Abdul Basit said; “Terrorists have no religion, no humanity, no specific ethnicity or geography.

“Terrorists' networks, as the UK knows full well, mutate and operate in different regions and cities.”

The issue of South Asian regional security, including Pakistan and Afghanistan, is sure to be raised again when Cameron holds talks Thursday with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Foreign Minister S.M. Krishna.

But Cameron will be keen to keep his two-day visit focused on its main purpose: Britain's drive to take bilateral trade and economic ties with the former jewel in its colonial crown to a new level.

As well as his meetings with leaders in New Delhi, he will also attend a summit on expanding economic relations between Britain and India, one of the world's fastest growing economies.
In the first of a series of expected deals, BAE Systems said Wednesday it had finalised the sale of 57 Hawk trainer jets to India - to be built locally under licence - in a deal worth 500 million pounds (779 million dollars).

Rolls-Royce will provide the engines for the aircraft for another 200 million pounds.

Cameron is heading the largest British delegation to travel to India in recent memory, including a host of senior cabinet ministers and corporate bigwigs.

During a trip to India in January 2009, then British foreign minister David Miliband also ignited a diplomatic furore when he linked the 2008 Mumbai attacks to the unresolved dispute between India and Pakistan over Kashmir.

These comments upset India, which fiercely resists any outside interference in its dispute over the Himalayan territory. One leading Indian politician labelled the Miliband visit afterwards a “disaster”. – AFP

DAWN.COM | World | British PM in India, sparks 'terror' row with Pakistan
 
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dude no one gives a rats *** about what he says not even in Uk . he is just of a big status in india , because he will get more jobs there

So by your logic if Any country want to create job in Pakistan so that country can say any thing agaisnt India ????
Is this your point ????
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SIR you think our government will ever stand up to him? OUR LOBBYING IS TO WEAK! our government has NO COMMENTS to everything!!

we love to burry our head in the sand and act as if nothing is wrong and no one is pointing our way!!

on the wikileaks we stayed more or less quiet on CAMERON's remarks we stayed quiet!!

please don't feel to good about the fact that "RELATIONSHIPS WILL BE DAMAGED"!!!

trust me the UK will give our leaders $100 million and our leaders will forget anything was ever said!!

the world will keep believing we are a rouge state egged on by india & we will never stand up to defend ourselves!
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Ice_man dear, i would beg to differ here. The government has come out with a strong stance. Foreign Office has come up with strong crioticism of the statement while Wajid Shams-ul-Hasan's remarks are worth reading. It was only after this criticism that Cameroon had to do a little explanation that he was not reffering to the Pakistani government or institutions.
 
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New Govt. New PM..................new foreign policy........................and that was more then a hint wats in it:partay:
 
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ISLAMABAD, Jul 29 (APP): Pakistan Thursday expressing ‘sadness’ on the remarks of British Prime Minister David Cameron in Bangalore about Pakistan said the remarks are contrary to the facts on the ground and have been prompted by reports of Wikileaks website. Foreign Office Spokesman Abdul Basit in his weekly briefing pointed out that one can never draw right conclusions from such misguided reports that are based on raw intelligence. Basit said, “It is important that we should not be creating unnecessary hype around these reports and get distracted.”

The spokesman said, “The world knows very well how Pakistan is contributing in the on-going fight against terrorism and continue doing that in its own interest and not to please any one.”
He said the mania of “do more” should now be stopped as Pakistan has done a lot in this war against terror and suffered huge losses.
The spokesman said terrorism was a global, regional and local issue, Pakistan is a close partner of the international community in this war.
He said the world fully recognises and acknowledges the sacrifices rendered by Pakistan, its security forces and civil population.
The spokesman said Pakistan has done much more than any other country in combating terrorism.

Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency ) - Pakistan expresses concern on statement of British PM Cameron
 
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DC has stepped in it, was watching a France24 report, seems it's not just the Pakistanis who think he made a complete fool of himself, what's new in that department.

Lip Service, is Lip Service.
 
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Pakistan slams UK 'terror' remark

Pakistan has strongly criticised David Cameron, the British prime minister, for his remark that Islamabad should not "promote the export of terror".

Abdul Basit, a foreign ministry spokesman, on Thursday said Cameron seemed to have based his comments on leaked US documents, which he called "biased and self-serving".

"We are obviously disappointed at these comments because these are not coming from any original source, rather biased sources and I would say not even raw intelligencebut disinformation against Pakistan," he told Al Jazeera.

On a visit to India, Cameron on Wednesday said Pakistan should know "that it is not right to have any relationship with groups that are promoting terror".

He said: "We cannot tolerate in any sense the idea that this country [Pakistan] is allowed to look both ways and is able, in any way, to promote the export of terror, whether to India or whether to Afghanistan or anywhere else in the world."

Though his comments were likely to be welcomed in India, which often accuses Islamabad of harbouring armed groups, Pakistan's reaction has been quick and angry.


'ISI role'

Basit strongly denied any Pakistani links with terror groups and defended Islamabad's role.

"Britain knows full well as to how Pakistan, particularly the ISI [the Pakistani intelligence service] has been extending help and assistance to Britain in thwarting so many terrorist plots in Britain.

"They know the effectiveness of the ISI and our constructive and positive role in Afghanistan so we do not find any reason whatsoever for such remarks."

Earlier, Wajid Shamsul Hasan, Pakistan's high commissioner in London, told Al Jazeera that he had received hundreds of calls from Pakistanis, who offered "a very sharp reaction" to Cameron's comments.

"I think Cameron will review his statement, clarify his position, because we need to be supported not criticised for what we are doing," Hasan said.

He also refuted renewed criticism of Pakistani intelligence servicesover its alleged ties to Taliban, following revelations by Wikileaks, the whistle blower website.

The site leaked US government documentssuggesting links between Pakistan's security services, the Taliban and other groups operating in Afghanistan.

"ISI was one of the conduits used by the CIA and other agencies to raise these Taliban, these mujahidin, to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. Only [the] ISI can't be blamed for it," he said.

Bilateral ties

Cameron's comments came during a two-day visit to India, which is aimed at improving bilateral trade between London and New Delhi.
He was meeting Manmohan Singh, the Indian prime minister, on Thursday.

Rahul Roy-Chaudhury, a South Asia expert for the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London, said Cameron's comments in India were made "to please the host nation".

"He's very keen to boost the bilateral ties and it's very clear that this can't only take place on the base of trade and economic issues but needs a security dimension," he told Al Jazeera.

"It is significant that he has made these remarks on Pakistan in India during a state visit as opposed to making them in London.

"But they still don't go far enough in terms of the Indian government's perspective. After all he has not talked about any complicity of elements of the Pakistani government in terrorism, an allegation that India strongly supports."

Cameron is scheduled to meet Asif Ali Zardari, the Pakistani president, in Britain next week.
 
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