Calm dissection of Delhi riots from a non-Hindutva perspective

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

There is a serious mob mentality problem in the subcontinent but especially in North India in the Hindi speaking belt..You see these emotions flare up when mobs get hold of truck drivers who may have run over pedestrians due to rash driving.

Though I remain an atheist nominal-Hindutvabadi, we have to peer deep into our hearts whether we can accord basic dignity to fellow human beings regardless of their religious or political persuasion

I am dissapointed with Modi 2.0 and may be this may force me to stop taking any interest in Indian Politics anymore

 

[El Sidd]

There is a serious mob mentality problem in

India.

India is a mob masquerading as a Nation.
El Sidd

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

India.

India is a mob masquerading as a Nation.
El Sidd

Isn't that true for many nations? This is a testing time for me...Either a group of well meaning Indians unleash the full force of Enlightenment in India or they retreat back to the warmth of their home,hearth,wife and children in distant lands

 

[El Sidd]

Isn't that true for many nations? This is a testing time for me...Either a group of well meaning Indians unleash the full force of Enlightenment in India or they retreat back to the warmth of their home,hearth,wife and children in distant lands

Time is an illusion honey. I thought wise men of the 5th world knew this is not a matter of time but of perpetual reality.

You are simply disintegrating after colonial remnants started disappearing in administrative sectors.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Time is an illusion honey. I thought wise men of the 5th world knew this is not a matter of time but of perpetual reality.

You are simply disintegrating after colonial remnants started disappearing in administrative sectors.

I think thou doth not debate in good faith

 

[El Sidd]

I think thou doth not debate in good faith

Adding adjectives like good or bad doesn't bring anything to the word faith.

Who is to say what is your faith as you discuss genocide academically?

 

[MM_Haider]

There is a serious mob mentality problem in the subcontinent but especially in North India in the Hindi speaking belt..

it is pre-planned pogrom of Muslims.. nothing more nothing less! If it is just mob as your inner Hindu is suggesting why is police accomplice to this Muslims massacre.. ??? why are Hindu terrorists under the aegis and patronage of Indian state.. doing Muslim genocide.. !!

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Adding adjectives like good or bad doesn't bring anything to the word faith.

Who is to say what is your faith as you discuss genocide academically?

Calm voices always present a truer picture, so that these things may be avoided or lessened in the future....it takes a lot of work to keep things calm in a country with 200 million odd Muslims and a Billion odd Hindus ......given that there is outrage even when dozens are killed instead of hundreds, means we are slowly but surely moving in the right direction...No I donot think we will ever become a modern Enlightened Western democracy but even something in that ballpark will do

 

[Chakar The Great]

There is a serious mob mentality problem in the subcontinent but especially in North India in the Hindi speaking belt..You see these emotions flare up when mobs get hold of truck drivers who may have run over pedestrians due to rash driving.

Though I remain an atheist nominal-Hindutvabadi, we have to peer deep into our hearts whether we can accord basic dignity to fellow human beings regardless of their religious or political persuasion

I am dissapointed with Modi 2.0 and may be this may force me to stop taking any interest in Indian Politics anymore

Subcontinent??? No just India ( 90 percent of the time).

 

[El Sidd]

Calm voices always present a truer picture, so that these things may be avoided or lessened in the future....it takes a lot of work to keep things calm in a country with 200 million odd Muslims and a Billion odd Hindus ......

It is your intellectual dishonesty which made it a hindu versus muslim issue in the first place.

There is no need in catharsis of state sponsored systematic genocide. Everybody is well versed in European history.

Whatever intervention that happens in India now will be nothing but the political doctrine of a direct action day

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

it is pre-planned pogrom of Muslims.. nothing more nothing less! If it is just mob as your inner Hindu is suggesting why is police accomplice to this Muslims massacre.. ??? why are Hindu terrorists under the aegis and patronage of Indian state.. doing Muslim genocide.. !!

Police is the courtesan of the ruling faction in India...there have been many other times where Hindus have been at the receiving end of police violence because the state executive backed it....that said I will accept that since the mid 90s there has been a growing anathema towards Muslims in many parts of the North Indian state machinery, which has just exacerbated since the mass adoption of the Internet...The Internet failed to bring India or for that matter any part of the non-Western world into the Enlightenment age (300 yrs after it started in Europe)..What happened is that everybody self trapped themselves in their own echo chambers

Subcontinent??? No just India ( 90 percent of the time).

If you want you can take Pakistan out of the equation since major chunk of Pakistan lies in Central or West Asia..but other than that my statement stands

 

[Nilgiri]

If you want you can take Pakistan out of the equation since major chunk of Pakistan lies in Central or West Asia..but other than that my statement stands

Ironic given what happened to half their wing, the scale of it and why it happened...and lingering psyche from it.

But hypocrite echo chambers are fun and all I suppose...hamoodur stays classified for a reason (given those that were responsible for such are still running the remnant past well above musical chairs patwari-vs-youthia game below) and denizens of such place have audacity to point at another.

non-Western world into the Enlightenment age (300 yrs after it started in Europe)

Yep the thirty years war, holodomor and holocaust were extremely enlightened indeed.

Great role model.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Ironic given what happened to half their wing, the scale of it and why it happened...and lingering psyche from it.

But hypocrite echo chambers are fun and all I suppose...hamoodur stays classified for a reason (given those that were responsible for such are still running the remnant past well above musical chairs patwari-vs-youthia game below) and denizens of such place have audacity to point at another.



Yep the thirty years war, holodomor and holocaust were extremely enlightened indeed.

Great role model.

Well there was also the Scientific Revolution and rationalist ideas...would it be really wise to disregard that? Don't you feel the western elite model that the Universe is bound to physical laws and is not subject to the whims of Gods and holymen is a good framework?

 

[Nilgiri]

Well there was also the Scientific Revolution and rationalist ideas...would it be really wise to disregard that? Don't you feel the western elite model that the Universe is bound to physical laws and is not subject to the whims of Gods and holymen is a good framework?

There is good and bad everywhere. You learn from the good and reject as much bad you can....but there should be no blind referencing/copying of other cultural hearths.

And no I reject thats the "western elite model" at all...that one must totally reject faith to have science and replace absolutism to have relativism.... there is after all a Kant for every Hegel. Its not any monotone flavour...there is binary debate there intrinsically....found in all core philsophy of elder cultures, its there in upanishads if you look and understand too.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

There is good and bad everywhere. You learn from the good and reject as much bad you can....but there should be no blind referencing/copying of other cultural hearths.

And no I reject thats the "western elite model" at all...that one must totally reject faith to have science and replace absolutism to have relativism.... there is after all a Kant for every Hegel. Its not any monotone flavour...there is binary debate there intrinsically....found in all core philsophy of elder cultures, its there in upanishads if you look and understand too.

#I am talking about secular examination of nature.....Sure Brihadaranyaka Upanishad is very radical in certain aspects....There are passages that even allude to partial as well as complete annihilation of self identity at death..I will quote them in a few hours..Just as you pointed out about early modern European philosophers and the multiple strands of opinions among them, you must be aware that even the first couple of Upanishads (the ones considered pre-Buddhists by even the most Hindu hating ones among Indologists) donot speak in one voice...my question is this------->why did the fantastical almost Harry Pottersque tales of the Puranas and Epics take hold among the Hindu populace rather than the Brihadaranyaka and the Chandogya? I personally feel the popularization of the Epics and the Puranas severely hurt the scientific temperment of the Indian populace..I would be eager to hear your take