By 2020, India will emerge ahead of China on several counts in economy

[AViet]

but who gets to say what is the limit?
One man in a major city?

The flaw with your argument is that unless a God like being comes down the from the sky and tells us exactly what the limits are, the only people setting limits are other people.

And since people are setting limits then why listen to one person over another?

For example, no joke, if I had the power I would make iPhones illegal. I hate apple, I hate iphones, I hate it all.
But I am glad I don't have that power, instead people collectively have the power to buy an iPhone or not.

Your religion like argument also goes against all the data.
Every major economy in the world is a democratic free society.

China and India are the exceptions, but that is only because they have a billion people each.
It is not hard to be a major economy when you have so many people.

Place like Germany, Australia, Canada have populations the size one or two major Chinese cities have such a higher quality of life and wealth that so many Chinese wealthy are flocking to live there.
No one is flocking to Live in China.

Even in China, democracy is winning since their wealthy are voting to move to Canada (while still dong business in China of course )

Among the richest countries per capita are: Macau, Qatar, Singapore and Brunei. Neither of them can be considered Western-style democracy (none got rich by colonization)

And the US, UK, Germany and Japan, got rich through brutal, undemocratic methods, mostly by conquering and looting. And I believe you know how all newly industrialized countries got rich?

Even Japanese and Korean still moving to Canada. It can provide a relax, less competitive environment compared to Japan and Korea, let alone very highly-competitive China. But people who want to make money are coming to China (just watched some documentary about Shenzhen by Discovery. People from all over the world are moving there).

 

[Mista]

Actually Chinese language is more suitable for science than English. Chinese is monosyllabic language. Which gives big advantage when dealing with math and science problems.

For example, 6x8=48. In English, your brain will read "si'k's', ei't', for'ty', ei't'".
In Chinese it's "liu',ba',si'shi'ba".

The number 5697, in English it's "fi've', thou'san'd', si'k's', hun'dre'd', nine'teen', se'ven'"
In Chinese, "wu', qian', liu' bai', jiu' shi' qi'"
Chinese is more efficient than English.

That's a bit 牵强 and far-fetched. I think Chinese is much better than English in expressing oneself or producing literature thanks to its long history and huge repository of idioms and aphorisms.

But in terms of technical knowledge, English is just far more efficient as English acronyms are just much efficient and easier to write/type.

Even the Chinese in many fields of higher education uses English acronyms. Accounting (terms like EBITDA), finance (EAR=effective annual interest rate), chemistry (CO2), physics (E=mc2), maths (log,tan,sin,cos), general measurement (kg,km,m2), economics (GDP, MR=MC), coding, and the list goes on. It's inefficient to write/type these acronyms/terms in Chinese.

Heck, even in the mainstream media like 人民日报 and in the internet the Chinese uses 'GDP' more frequently than '国内生产总值' because it's just much more easier to say and type.

 

[kankan326]

That's a bit 牵强 and far-fetched. I think Chinese is much better than English in expressing oneself or producing literature thanks to its long history and huge repository of idioms and aphorisms.

But in terms of technical knowledge, English is just far more efficient as English acronyms are just much efficient and easier to write/type.

Even the Chinese in many fields of higher education uses English acronyms. Accounting (terms like EBITDA), finance (EAR=effective annual interest rate), chemistry (CO2), physics (E=mc2), maths (log,tan,sin,cos), general measurement (kg,km,m2), economics (GDP, MR=MC), coding, and the list goes on. It's inefficient to write/type these acronyms/terms in Chinese.

Heck, even in the mainstream media like 人民日报 and in the internet the Chinese uses 'GDP' more frequently than '国内生产总值' because it's just much more easier to say and type.

Acronym is not just English advantage. All alphabetic languages have that. At first, Greek alphabets dominated math and science. Later Rome alphabets and then English. People use English Acronym because English speaking countries are dominating in most fields.

Chinese also has alphabet system(Pinyin). Acronyms are also used here. For example, 红旗导弹系列 HQ, 长征火箭系列 CZ.

I don't agree with you for these reasons. 1, It's very hard to guess the meaning acronym represents. GDP or DVD are just rare cases. For most acronyms, ordinary people have no idea what they are. On the other hand, abbreviated Chinese characters are easy to tell. For example, 人大代表， 革委会，计生办. We all know their meanings at first glance.
2, As for above reason, most acronyms can't be frequently used in English. So the rare case acronyms can not offset overall English disadantage.
3, As you said, Chinese can also use these English acronyms. But could English use Chinese characters?

Relatively (controlled) free speech is good, but absolutely (uncontrolled) free speech is bad
Relatively (limited) democracy is good, but Western-style (universally) democracy is bad and stupid (which make equal an university professor with an drug-addicted thug)
Relatively (controlled) free religion is good, but absolutely (unbridled) free religion is dangerous

Just some basic points.

To maintain the balance, i.e. the relativity of every thing, is a difficult job. But it seems that Western top leaders, historically, have not wanted to do that, so they always put things into extremity.

Current extremely free Western societies will go to extremely un-free societies in future. That is the inevitable consequence.

Obviously west ideology is sick. Their political correctness has gone wild. As a result, the healthy Chinese ideology is regarded as evil in their sick eyes.

 

[Mista]

1, It's very hard to guess the meaning acronym represents. GDP or DVD are just rare cases. For most acronyms, ordinary people have no idea what they are. On the other hand, abbreviated Chinese characters are easy to tell. For example, 人大代表， 革委会，计生办. We all know their meanings at first glance.
2, As for above reason, most acronyms can't be frequently used in English. So the rare case acronyms can not offset overall English disadantage.

I'm not talking about ordinary people. I'm talking about technical knowledge used by the professions in their respective fields.

What's your highest educational level? Surely you've used terms like cm, CO2, sin cos, a b, etc before right?

3, As you said, Chinese can also use these English acronyms. But could English use Chinese characters?

I find this logic hard to follow. The Japanese language uses Kanji and Romaji too, so it's the more efficient than Chinese and English?

 

[kankan326]

I'm not talking about ordinary people. I'm talking about technical knowledge used by the professions in their respective fields.

What's your highest educational level? Surely you've used terms like cm, CO2, sin cos, a b, etc before right?

I find this logic hard to follow. The Japanese language uses Kanji and Romaji too, so it's the more efficient than Chinese and English?

We are talking different things. I'm talking about the different way of language thinkings. Different languages have different basic brain working efficiencies.

You are talking about a deeper level, specialized languages. Which don't belong to English or any other languages. Some of formulas exist even longer than English itself.

 

[Mista]

We are talking different things. I'm talking about the different way of language thinkings. Different languages have different basic brain working efficiencies.

You are talking about a deeper level, specialized languages. Which don't belong to English or any other languages. Some of formulas exist even longer than English itself.

Well I thought we were talking about commonly understood language efficiencies, which is more relevant to your reply to @FedererExpress.

Your hypothesis on Chinese language superiority on brain working efficiency is too far-fetched and I'm not sure what's the relevance to his post.

I was always shocked by Taiwanese stupidity. They never stop talking their democracy and freedom very proudly regardless their economy stagnation for more than 20 years.

Erm Taiwan's economy was still growing at 5-6% in the 2000s.

 

[FedererExpress]

Chinese people would give anything to live in the West.

 

[kankan326]

Taiwan's economy was still growing at 5-6% in the 2000s.

Because Taiwan government played a little trick. They take TW companies' oversea income(thank to Chna mainland growth) into their GDP. You must have heard famous 22k story. Ordinary Taiwanese income has not changed for 20 years.

Chinese people would give anything to live in the West.

Not for me.

 

[Mista]

Because Taiwan government played a little trick. They take TW companies' oversea income(thank to Chna mainland growth) into their GDP.

Many Chinese say that on the Internet. May I see the source?

You must have heard famous 22k story.

That's their minimum wage, and it's almost twice of Beijing/Shanghai.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/mula...f-hongkong-police.631785/page-4#post-11728550

 

[kankan326]

Many Chinese say that on the Internet. May I see the source?



That's their minimum wage, and it's almost twice of Beijing/Shanghai.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/mula...f-hongkong-police.631785/page-4#post-11728550

Doesn't matter. I was expecting to make income comparison. Just knowing their ordinary people income hasn't changed much for 20 years is enough.

 

[Tauren Paladin]

This article shows that India has a big mouth, but is not an achiever. 3 years later, India's economy is tanking and China is growing much faster.

 

[Mista]

Doesn't matter. I was expecting to make income comparison. Just knowing their ordinary people income hasn't changed much for 20 years is enough.

Taiwan's average income is still much higher than mainland China though. If adjusted for cost of living, Taiwan's purchasing power is comparable to Austria and Denmark.

Mocking Taiwan and coming to the conclusion that the culprit is Taiwan's 'chaotic democracy', that is similar to the Indians mocking China's authoritarianism for its economic slowdown. Both are jumping into premature conclusions based on caricatures and preexisting prejudices, and without rigorous analysis done to substantiate said assumptions.

 

[kankan326]

Taiwan's average income is still much higher than mainland China though. If adjusted for cost of living, Taiwan's purchasing power is comparable to Austria and Denmark.

Mocking Taiwan and coming to the conclusion that the culprit is Taiwan's 'chaotic democracy', that is similar to the Indians mocking China's authoritarianism for its economic slowdown. Both are jumping into premature conclusions based on caricatures and preexisting prejudices, and without rigorous analysis done to substantiate said assumptions.

Two facts.
1, Taiwan economy boom happened when Taiwan was not a democratic society.
2, Many mainland Chinese have been to Taiwan as tourists. They were not impressed by Taiwan living standard. We didn't see the gap as data show. More than 1 million Taiwanese are working in mainland. Mainland Chinese don't have desire to work in Taiwan.

 

[antonius123]

Chinese people would give anything to live in the West.

Really?

 

[Mista]

Many mainland Chinese have been to Taiwan as tourists. They were not impressed by Taiwan living standard. We didn't see the gap as data show.

What do they expect as a tourist though? Skyscrapers?

In terms of city infrastructure, Shanghai is more advance than San Francisco and KL is more advance than Melbourne. A tourist may not be able to tell that SF and Melbourne has much higher income.

More than 1 million Taiwanese are working in mainland.

Many of them are working as professionals/white-collar jobs for Taiwanese companies in the mainland, and the mainland offers perks and benefits for many Taiwanese and HKers. They are not taking the average income in the mainland.

Mainland Chinese don't have desire to work in Taiwan.

The Taiwanese government has banned mainland Chinese from working in Taiwan.

If I am traveling to Taiwan for work, what type of work visa do I need?
...
The Taiwanese government currently does not permit Mainland Chinese (PRC) nationals to work in Taiwan. However, multinational enterprise companies in Taiwan are permitted to transfer Chinese nationals to Taiwan to conduct professional business.

https://www.balglobal.com/bal-countries/taiwan-travel-and-visa-overview/