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I arsay, then remain in fear...My fear is of my accounts and of day of judgement when I will be asked what I did to avoid haram! I dont think on that day whining will weight much!
I don't like quoting Quran & Hadith in this forum ( this forum ain't worth), but here I quote one:

from ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, according to which the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “One of them asks me for something and I give it to him, and he goes out with it, carrying it under his arm, and it is nothing but fire for him.” ‘Umar said: O Messenger of Allaah, why do you give it to them?” He said: “They insist on asking me, and Allaah insists that I should not be stingy.”
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You can contact any Scholar of ISLAM for the explanation of this Hadith. ----- the poor Pakistani Awaam who are being FORCED to pay bribe will not be answerable on the day of judgement.
 
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Who knows maybe we do our part?
Biradar! we can't fight this corrupt system ----- see even your PM is helpless and we are just ordinary Awaam.
Yes because the awaam is hopeless!

IK had to tell them about votes, the right to vote, the power of vote! Otherwise same awam votes for same corrupts (still does) and cries the same tears! You guys do nothing...

What part have you done in your life? I gave examples from my family!

Common Pakistani doesnt even know his / her rights! I mean a woman wont even take khulla (which is her right) coz of culture pressure hawww log kiya kehain gay. Same case a man wont even file a complaint for fear of something happening instead of standing up!

Until you grow a backbone, keep crying!

it is because of people like you PM cant do anything! When you dont file a complaint and instead just whine...Your whining cant be used to further any case!
 
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Depends how strong your case is and what it is about...for land, I agree it takes ages to clear!

But small things like corruption it sometimes is pushed to the top esp when election is near! Everyone wants to please the population!


then that is your problem!

I am not about the system but about keeping my akhirat halal!
I have responded regarding your akhirat halal.---- All those who are being FORCED to pay bribe, their Akhirat will remain halal.

and if you are this much worried about your Akhirat, than my suggestion to you is, stay away from Riba based system, your PM is also attached with this system --- Stay Away.
 
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I don't like quoting Quran & Hadith in this forum ( this forum ain't worth), but here I quote one:

from ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, according to which the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “One of them asks me for something and I give it to him, and he goes out with it, carrying it under his arm, and it is nothing but fire for him.” ‘Umar said: O Messenger of Allaah, why do you give it to them?” He said: “They insist on asking me, and Allaah insists that I should not be stingy.”
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You can contact any Scholar of ISLAM for the explanation of this Hadith. ----- the poor Pakistani Awaam who are being FORCED to pay bribe will not be answerable on the day of judgement.
They are not being forced to...they just assume it is the way...the past govts have trained you guys to think that way!

I came back to Pakistan in this govt and I dont give bribe!

I have responded regarding your akhirat halal.---- All those who are being FORCED to pay bribe, their Akhirat will remain halal.

and if you are this much worried about your Akhirat, than my suggestion to you is, stay away from Riba based system, your PM is also attached with this system --- Stay Away.
It wont remain halal if you arent fighting the system!
Who told you that it will be halal if you are giving it out of habit and not fighting it?

and if you are this much worried about your Akhirat, than my suggestion to you is, stay away from Riba based system, your PM is also attached with this system --- Stay Away.
I am staying away from whatever I can...bribery is haram and it will remain haram no matter what you think of it! As for riba, that is a different topic! Even NS eats Riba in UK and Panama!

When you DONT DO YOUR PART...that will be on you on the day of judgement not on PMIK! lolz

You can get away with it here by blaming him...but not in akhirat! Wahan sub apnay apnay hotay hain! You will def be asked what you did?!

Who knows maybe we do our part?
If awaam did their part, we would be seeing it! So far we dont! We have no records of haramkhori coz people dont file a complaint out of fear OR laugh! When you file it in citizen portal you get a file number that you can take for legal action because it is part of the govt database!

Worst case, your case will be pushed around, but you will have a written, registered number! And 1 too many cases against same person will pile up! 2 things can happen....that person can be ignored or action can happen!

IK did reshuffle his employees something we havent seen common in previous govt! So, to him productivity does matter! Do your part before you whine!

Why would I be like you? You haven't seen 1% of what I have seen and experienced.

Puttar kabi police station jana hua hy gari chori ki rapart karanay?
Yea, thank god I am nothing like you!

We dont do anything to end up in the police station...Yes a cousin was taken accidentally (on false charges) and we got him released without bribes! Your point?

Alhamdollilah fully compliant and paying my (extra share because some Pakistanis left Pakistan for the sake of their own better prospects) of taxes, remained steadfast and never thought of leaving Pakistan when had the chance and opportunity. So I do mind when a Gora Pakistani who has returned from overseas and tries teaching me about problems of my country.
And assuming the worst in others will not take you anywhere- maybe to hell...though that is not my business!

You do know maligning others is also a sin? Maybe you dont coz you are so used to the bribing sin that you cant differentiate anymore?
 
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@Dubious @shah_123 Both of you have some validity in what you are saying.

In Pakistan some people can get things done, that others can't. It's because of how the people who you approach to ask for something percieve you. There is a saying around our parts; "shakal dekh kar chapair marne".

People are treated differently by officialdom based on their perceptions of what you know, who you know and how much flexibity they think they have.

If you sound like you know what you are doing, people will be less likely to take advantage. If you sound new, to something they're more likely to take advantage. Same is true for your confidence, your level of education, your manners, your percieved levels of wealth. Sometimes officialdom will look at you and reckon you're an easy mark because you seem to be wealthy and are likely to splash cash to make life easier for you. Other times they may make life difficult for you because they know your poor and can't afford to challenge them.

The thing is, those of us who do have knowledge of law, rights, procedures - we shouldn't pay bribes, even if it makes life harder. If we set an example, then maybe through our hardship there could be some ease for those who don't have the knowledge, or those who don't have the money to pay the bribes.

I don't pay bribes at the airport. I am sometimes asked, i refuse. Why?

1. I don't take anything with me i shouldn't have.
2. I don't do nakhra about stopping to show my documents.
3. I don't do nakhra about having my luggage repeatedly checked.
4. I know my rights.

The last time someone asked, he kept insisting - in front of everyone i took out my wallet and offered him Rs100. The security guys were watching too. You should have seen his face.

He then sheepishly checked a few bags and we carried on.
 
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I was never raised in a mummy daddy environment, so don't know what you mean by spoon feeding, by the grace of AL MIGHTY I manage and support two families (my parents and younger siblings) and my own.

Again do you (you .... not your guardian or family) earn or not, if yes, is it more than 600k a year ? It's a serious question to teach you some sense and make you aware so that you stop posting nonsense about Pakistanis and the taxes that they pay.
no we dont earn more than 600K a year!

It isnt a serious question only an insecure person would ask random people their salaries/ earnings!

You cant answer you go and assume, malign, blast, accuse everyone (system, overseas Pakistani ...everything) but yourself!

If you sound like you know what you are doing, people will be less likely to take advantage.
EXACTLY! If you behave like you will give bribe in the next min, they wont be ashamed to ask!
 
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Yes because the awaam is hopeless!

IK had to tell them about votes, the right to vote, the power of vote! Otherwise same awam votes for same corrupts (still does) and cries the same tears! You guys do nothing...

What part have you done in your life? I gave examples from my family!

Common Pakistani doesnt even know his / her rights! I mean a woman wont even take khulla (which is her right) coz of culture pressure hawww log kiya kehain gay. Same case a man wont even file a complaint for fear of something happening instead of standing up!

Until you grow a backbone, keep crying!

it is because of people like you PM cant do anything! When you dont file a complaint and instead just whine...Your whining cant be used to further any case!
They are not being forced to...they just assume it is the way...the past govts have trained you guys to think that way!

I came back to Pakistan in this govt and I dont give bribe!


It wont remain halal if you arent fighting the system!
Who told you that it will be halal if you are giving it out of habit and not fighting it?


I am staying away from whatever I can...bribery is haram and it will remain haram no matter what you think of it! As for riba, that is a different topic! Even NS eats Riba in UK and Panama!

When you DONT DO YOUR PART...that will be on you on the day of judgement not on PMIK! lolz

You can get away with it here by blaming him...but not in akhirat! Wahan sub apnay apnay hotay hain! You will def be asked what you did?!


If awaam did their part, we would be seeing it! So far we dont! We have no records of haramkhori coz people dont file a complaint out of fear OR laugh! When you file it in citizen portal you get a file number that you can take for legal action because it is part of the govt database!

Worst case, your case will be pushed around, but you will have a written, registered number! And 1 too many cases against same person will pile up! 2 things can happen....that person can be ignored or action can happen!

IK did reshuffle his employees something we havent seen common in previous govt! So, to him productivity does matter! Do your part before you whine!
This is the reason I keep saying you live in an imaginary world ----- you say people assume that they are forced, I hope your electricity meter goes out and than we will see if you get new meter with or without bribe :enjoy:

I have given you a very clear Hadith, you take it or leave it. ----- Why not Riba, if you care for your Akhirat, no way you should be supporting those who take loans on Riba.

This is the period of fitnah o fasad, I will act upon the advice of the best of creations Prophet Muhammad saw', I will stay away from the fitnah.
 
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Same is true for your confidence, your level of education, your manners, your percieved levels of wealth. Sometimes officialdom will look at you and reckon you're an easy mark because you seem to be wealthy and are likely to splash cash to make life easier for you. Other times they may make life difficult for you because they know your poor and can't afford to challenge them.
Actually they always make it difficult for us...We just say no we wont pay for bribes...My dad being old starts lecturing about how it is haram and how you will suffer in grave...some get the chills and walk away others say bhai maaf kerna lolz

This is the reason I keep saying you live in an imaginary world ----- you say people assume that they are forced, I hope your electricity meter goes out and than we will see if you get new meter with or without bribe :enjoy:
We got 2 meters for the rented portion also...

My family friend recently needed and he was pissed ...he didnt give bribe but he had to wait for the meter but he got it...Patience is a virtue!

And yes it is not forced if you have an alternative but refuse to take it!

Everyone in Pakistan is in jaldi but no one is reaching to any heights yet they will not practice patience!

I have given you a very clear Hadith, you take it or leave it. ----- Why not Riba, if you care for your Akhirat, no way you should be supporting those who take loans on Riba.
I am not god, I stop whatever is in my means... and so far saying no to bribery is within my means!
We have all our money in "Islamic" banks and not in Foreign banks...that is the best we could find and we did that! Even if the branches were far from our home we went for the lesser evil! Find a way out of your misery instead of whining!
 
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This is the period of fitnah o fasad, I will act upon the advice of the best of creations Prophet Muhammad saw', I will stay away from the fitnah.
Yet not bribery?

I mean look at @I.R.A and his reaction to an alternative...Instead of trying it to save his akhirat he dismissed it coz of ego that he thinks he knows more!

THIS kind of attitude is what is pulling Pakistan down! Lack of innovation or ability to try something new!

I disagree with that. I think people who live there want these things even more than us - they need them. It's just hard to trust politicians with your money, especially when you consider their track record, and even more so when you consider how much you need it.
Yes, but I have yet to see it in their behavior!

It is different if you need them or want them than you working towards them! We work towards them coz we trust our nation and we see it from outside not inside!

They are repulsed against it coz they see the rot inside! I came back after a very long time and I am able to see both views!

But believe me, I am disappointed at the Pakistani in Pakistan...He doesnt do much but whines! He doesnt even file a complaint for fear of this and that (you can see an example on this forum)...when shown an alternative way, he mocks you/ maligns you and even tries to make you feel insignificant (like he is VIP and everyone is after him!)

If I had to pay taxes without any confidence that it would eventually translate into services i could use - i'd be reluctant too, especially when that money is taken from my needs and my own financial security.

I don't agree that is the way to proceed, but i can understand why. When billionaires and millionaires and other wealthy businessmen are doing it though - that is just pure greed. If the school teacher, factory worker, office staff have to pay - so should the business man, the industrialist, the landowner.
I agree that the wealthy should pay otherwise it is the same as America who gives tax cuts to MNC!

A student, a widow, a housewife, a pensioner, a laborer, a cab driver, a janitor, a daily wager .... some of them have either no source of income or they don't fall in the taxable limits .... but they end up paying income tax, each and every one of them. I am not going into details of indirect taxes that they pay.
What are you babbling about:

An income tax is a tax imposed on individuals or entities (taxpayers) that varies with respective income or profits (taxableincome). Income tax generally is computed as the product of a taxrate times taxable income.

How can someone be taxed without income! My mom who is a home maker has never been taxed!

I am not trying to be an alama...but you def are BS!

My cousins have student accounts none of them pay income tax! I think you are just pulling BS out of thin air!

Filing tax returns is not the same as paying income tax! So far I have seen Pakistanis clueless and ignorant between these 2 but it is first time I hear even students and housewives without INCOME will be charged INCOME tax by aliens!

Under the Income Tax Ordinance, 2001, all Income are broadly divided into following five heads of Income:

  • Salary;
  • Income from property;
  • Income from business;
  • Capital gains; and
  • Income from Other Sources

https://www.fbr.gov.pk/income-tax-basics/51147/61148

If your grandmother has been taxed for income tax I suggest you take it to court! Coz you arent just paying bribes you are also being juiced! And it isnt this govt! It is tax ordinance of 2001! So do ask PPP and NS while you are at it!

I don't pay bribes at the airport. I am sometimes asked, i refuse. Why?

1. I don't take anything with me i shouldn't have.
2. I don't do nakhra about stopping to show my documents.
3. I don't do nakhra about having my luggage repeatedly checked.
4. I know my rights.
EXACTLY!

Point 1 and 4 is what causes alot of people to give bribes! Either they dont know their basic rights or they are carrying something that shouldnt be!

Banda mang ta rahay sunnu ki?

mr ghazi

wunder kid of PTi, has an accounting degree from oxford

lives abroad 6000 miles away in his cozy western life

lectures us about tax and industry layoffs


oh yes, mr ghazi has a solution, all these laid off workers should learn to code Python,,

convenient, innit



shame on you really



do not argue with mr software 'tester '

on another thread, he was telling me that all these laid off people should learn to 'code '

another delusional PTI kid....

see the arrogance and hubris of these PTI fanboys, they are cheering the closure of industry and imposition of draconian taxes !
insulting another member is against forum rules...if you cant counter his points dont reply ...coz clearly you are just showing us more about you!
 
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Yet not bribery?

I mean look at @I.R.A and his reaction to an alternative...Instead of trying it to save his akhirat he dismissed it coz of ego that he thinks he knows more!

nu ki?
As you have come back, stay here for long period and face the music --- That's all I have to say.
 
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Fake news...even if it is true they should pay taxes or close there business if they can't sustain the competition...Gov should not be blackmailed
you are saying people do not have the right to their livelihoods
 
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you are saying people do not have the right to their livelihoods
I am saying if businessmen are not in profits then no body is forcing them to continue...Majority of this city and businessmen supported and supporting current government
 
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I am saying if businessmen are not in profits then no body is forcing them to continue...Majority of this city and businessmen supported and supporting current government

you are looking at taxes, government etc ... at the end of the day the business is a source of livelihood for a businessman
it is like saying you have no right to your current job and go get another job
 
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you are looking at taxes, government etc ... at the end of the day the business is a source of livelihood for a businessman
it is like saying you have no right to your current job and go get another job
No its not like that...Business can divest its capital and close it ...There are other things to do that ..
 
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