BURQA-CLAD WOMAN ALLEGEDLY RAPED BY GRP PERSONNEL IN A MOVING TRAIN IN UP

[Musafir117]

@Zibago Chand raat Ko lein ge inki ( class ) Zakir nalaeq ko message kar diya hai^_^

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

But you and many other Pakistanis justify the creation of Pakistan citing these incidents. In an undivided India, you could have still moved to now-Pakistan if you felt unsafe here so it baffles me as to why your lot keeps justifying the creation of Pakistan when you could have got the same thing in undivided India.

U should ask Nehru and Gandhi for that - They are largely responsible for creating insecurity among Muslims, eventually leading to creation of Pakistan.

Pre-1947, in undivided India, Muslims still would be unsafe from onslaughts of Sanghis despite migrating to Muslim majority areas because those areas would still felt the effects of all this just like South Indians are feeling the heat of North Indian hindutuva now a days...Why allow a certain religious group with certain interests of establishing its own power over others, only just because they had majority? This is where my forefathers disagreed.

My ancestors just wanted to avoid all this, thus, made the line and crossed the line. Leaving one's home, loved ones' graves is not a thing everyone can do. It takes real courage. My ancestors still campaigned for Pakistan despite living in areas which they knew, won't be joining Pakistan, yet they went for Pakistan. They were ready to migrate to regions which would be part of Pakistan. Fighting with Hindus/Sikhs despite living as minority in those areas is what courage is all about. If my forefathers hadn't got courage, Pakistan wouldn't have been formed in first place.

So, having a boundary is good as it affects people psychologically. People know that if they cross a line, then ...........

 

[The_Showstopper]

U should ask Nehru and Gandhi for that - They are largely responsible for creating insecurity among Muslims, eventually leading to creation of Pakistan.

Pre-1947, in undivided India, Muslims still would be unsafe from onslaughts of Sanghis despite migrating to Muslim majority areas because those areas would still felt the effects of all this just like South Indians are feeling the heat of North Indian hindutuva now a days...Why allow a certain religious group with certain interests of establishing its own power over others, only just because they had majority? This is where my forefathers disagreed.

My ancestors just wanted to avoid all this, thus, made the line and crossed the line. Leaving one's home, loved ones' graves is not a thing everyone can do. It takes real courage. My ancestors still campaigned for Pakistan despite living in areas which they knew, won't be joining Pakistan, yet they went for Pakistan. They were ready to migrate to regions which would be part of Pakistan. Fighting with Hindus/Sikhs despite living as minority in those areas is what courage is all about. If my forefathers hadn't got courage, Pakistan wouldn't have been formed in first place.

So, having a boundary is good as it affects people psychologically. People know that if they cross a line, then ...........

I am not sure how Nehru or Gandhi created insecurity for muslims because they always wanted a secular India with equal rights to all and that is how the Indian constitution has been written. So they stood for what they stated and believed.

Indeed South Indians are feeling the heat but they are giving a good fight and Sangh on more than one occasion were made to eat the humble pie. Were your fore-fathers not confident that you would be able to give that fight?

Sangh could have never dominated your present geographical area unless majority of the muslims of that area converted either ideologically or religiously to Hindutva/Hinduism. So what was the fear all about? Did they believe that their imaan was fickle?

Muslims in British India were around 25-30% and held power politically in the same proportion. Sangh wasn't a major worry then since Hindus mostly followed Gandhi and Nehru. So your forefathers demanding secession looks more like a folly. It would have made sense if your forefathers have asked of separate land if the Sangh was growing/grown powerful which wasn't the case then.

And if you think you don't have any threat, then you are mistaken. Yes I can see that you feel good now at least psychologically but your Government/Armed forces will still have to worry about an attack, hence the arms race. Let's assume Sangh is in complete control of India and orders attack on your country, you will still have to fight that threat and could possibly be on the loosing side. So your fore fathers creation of Pakistan hasn't guaranteed you safety which they have dreamed of.

 

[baajey]

if the "allegedly" part is actually "truth", then life is going on normally.
having said that, kudos to the copassengers who saw the anomaly and acted fast.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

I am not sure how Nehru or Gandhi created insecurity for muslims because they always wanted a secular India with equal rights to all and that is how the Indian constitution has been written. So they stood for what they stated and believed.

Indeed South Indians are feeling the heat but they are giving a good fight and Sangh on more than one occasion were made to eat the humble pie. Were your fore-fathers not confident that you would be able to give that fight?

Sangh could have never dominated your present geographical area unless majority of the muslims of that area converted either ideologically or religiously to Hindutva/Hinduism. So what was the fear all about? Did they believe that their imaan was fickle?

Muslims in British India were around 25-30% and held power politically in the same proportion. Sangh wasn't a major worry then since Hindus mostly followed Gandhi and Nehru. So your forefathers demanding secession looks more like a folly. It would have made sense if your forefathers have asked of separate land if the Sangh was growing/grown powerful which wasn't the case then.

And if you think you don't have any threat, then you are mistaken. Yes I can see that you feel good now at least psychologically but your Government/Armed forces will still have to worry about an attack, hence the arms race. Let's assume Sangh is in complete control of India and orders attack on your country, you will still have to fight that threat and could possibly be on the loosing side. So your fore fathers creation of Pakistan hasn't guaranteed you safety which they have dreamed of.

My forefathers were hell confident regarding having a new country. What do you think creating a fukin country out of such mess is nothing? Do you really think we got our country without fight and sacrifices? Its just matter of perspective. Glass is half full, half empty.

What did you just say? So, my forefathers should have waited for snake/problem to come out of its rabbit hole and show its ugliness? My forefathers should have demanded separate state only when Sanghis were in power? How about if I say, my forefathers were far sighted as fuk and knew that getting a separate one will be good option as one day in future India will submit to what they longed fear? the Sanghis, the rise of Sanghis in mainstream. We didn't want ourselves to get governed by Sanghis/extremists whose ugly side got revealed in front of Jinnah eventually, so Mr. Jinnah decided to leave/fuk congress and joined Muslim League.

In nutshell...After Pakistan getting nukes, Sanghis will think not once, not twice but thrice before attacking Pakistan. Costs of attacking Pakistan are ridiculously high. I think you don't know how does it feel when you owe something and call it your home...We are Pakistanis. Pakistan is our home. We will fight for our home if someone got high on drugs and attack us. Creation of Pakistan was not just for physical safety on ground but also on political and cultural level. We can proudly eat whatever we want and no one can do jack squat about it. We have no other majority religious group, completely opposite to our culture, threatening to divide our country on religious lines.

You should read why Pakistan was created? Read one of your Indian guy, who held high authority and wrote a book on Jinnah, which got Sanghis rattled like never before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinnah:_India,_Partition,_Independence_(book)

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Yaqeen kar...yar. Abhi roza se hun isliey lehaaz kar raha hun. These --------- would have had made our lives hell if our forefathers hadn't moved out...

What far-sightedness our fore fathers had...I salute them.

I doubt it.

We were seperate states,different culture,majority muslim,notorious,warlike & physically imposing frontier people.

Do they even try this in indian panjab?

Let alone in our regions?

 

[salarsikander]

Whose whining? I see you guys always trying to justify the creation of Pakistan citing these incidents. Hence I pointed out certain things unless you want to say that your ancestors didn't have the guts to face the Hindutva onslaught.

Guts to face it !
So people in Makkah had no guts to face makkans onslaught ?

Common stop whining. The train left in 47, you missed it. For your ancestral land, now feel free to live as foreigner and always try to prove your loyalty. Lol

 

[MULUBJA]

Allegedly .........

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

I doubt it.

We were seperate states,different culture,majority muslim,notorious,warlike & physically imposing frontier people.

Do they even try this in indian panjab?

Let alone in our regions?

Point blank, my brother!

This misconception needs to end.

Pak was not 'created' it has always been there.

Only thing that mattered in '47 was undoing the British colony...that not letting the colony emerge as one single entity.

Mr. Jinnah highlighted the Two very Different Civilisation very well. At that time it had to be called Two Nation Theory...cotext was what it was. Religion was a tool to accentuate the fundament difference between indians and Paks.

I hope Young Paks become alive to the 10000 years old Heritage that the are sitting upon.
In my view Sikhs are much more natural part of Ancient and Modern Pak than they are of india.. just look at their faces...and then the features of indians. (no disrespect to indians as human. They are just a different racial group thats all!)

@Dhara what says you my friend?

@DESERT FIGHTER , my brother, you keep educating your fellow countrymen!

 

[Zibago]

But you and many other Pakistanis justify the creation of Pakistan citing these incidents. In an undivided India, you could have still moved to now-Pakistan if you felt unsafe here so it baffles me as to why your lot keeps justifying the creation of Pakistan when you could have got the same thing in undivided India.

If India was united all of Pakistan would be like Kashmir

 

[Dhara]

@Dhara what says you my friend?

Agreed,

Same two nation theory applies on Sikhs since we are also monotheists and don't worship animal and insects but respect everybody.

 

[Sully3]

Only country in the world where police there to protect the public are raping women of minority groups on public transport.

please share this article on all social media platforms especially with your western friends to show the real face of shinning india.

 

[ashok321]

23-year old Noida engineer shot dead in parking lot

Which police controls Noida?

 

[Trango Towers]

I keep constantly hearing about how your fore-fathers made the right choice, so just wanted to ask certain questions.

The land which is now Pakistan was always muslim majority, so do you think that these Sanghi loons would have dared to attack you in those parts?

So tell me what did you achieve with the creation of Pakistan?

we separated ourselves from monkeys and cows

 

[Super Falcon]

Ye prishant Randi ki aulad apni ma Bhan kyon nahe deta desh ki raksha karna ka inam ma

India is evil for entire humanity