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Is their any credible source or same Paranoid and Propaganda articles similar to posted below!!!!
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I am no fan of the media or how the vast majority of reporting is done but they tend to run with the most relevant facts. America still has a majority Caucasian population so when a white person commits a crime, they can usually take it as granted a white people commited the crime and say "gunman kills a billizion people"

I'm sure other non-muslim minorities are singled out the same way. This by itself doesn't represent bias.
 
I disagree with the part about US Muslims. Until 9-11 most Americans did not even think about US Muslims either + or -. The heart of the US common man's attitude about Islam comes from the fact that a good many of the USA's enemies in the world (excepting Hugo C. and Kim Jong Il) are Muslim. Why? I think because of Israel. I believe that the USA's irrational support of Israel makes the USA the enemy of many Muslims, and then, many Muslims the enemies of the USA. Absent the conflict over Israel, the USA populace would go back to ignoring Islam and Muslims as anything that concerned them.

As for the Quran burning, I deplore it. Did you hear the story about all the Dari-language Bibles the US Air Force burned in Afghanistan? Seems they were shipped to Bahgram by some US church at the request of an airman there. He didn't know of the strict US military prohibition against distributing Christian literature in Afghanistan. The US Air Force burned them so they wouldn't leak out into Afghanistan and the USA be blamed for trying to convert Muslims to Christianity. So the US Government burned dozens of bibles, on purpose!!
You will not (likely) see Muslims burning the Bible in response to this (whether or not that matters to Americans), as that itself has been ingrained into our minds as a very very sinful thing to do. Burning a flag while quite disrespectful, is just not the same thing.

The problem becomes when there is not an equal and appropriate response to American burning the Quran. Normally, if you slap me, I slap you, the hatred won't linger on. So yes, the anti-Americanism is a direct result of this, there's nothing that the Muslim can do, than to hold a grudge against America and wait for their turn.
 
As for the Quran burning, I deplore it. Did you hear the story about all the Dari-language Bibles the US Air Force burned in Afghanistan? Seems they were shipped to Bahgram by some US church at the request of an airman there. He didn't know of the strict US military prohibition against distributing Christian literature in Afghanistan. The US Air Force burned them so they wouldn't leak out into Afghanistan and the USA be blamed for trying to convert Muslims to Christianity. So the US Government burned dozens of bibles, on purpose!!

Burning bible for such purposes is different story altogather. Even in Pakistan or anywhere in Islamic countries, they burn Quran when they need to dispose it off.

This particular event of buring of Quran is solely to disrespect an Religion.
 
That 'Death to America' is supposed to make US swoons for muslims.
You and I know that its a fringe lunatic society that calls for death of anything. What is Quran burning supposed to symbolize? The desire to burn Muslims at the stake.

Violent tendencies will be shown by lunatics.

But then if you're going to use that as the measuring rod against Muslims, then you might as well also come forward and declare that you're in an adversarial position to all Muslims.
 
Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan

May 22, 2009 -- Updated 0624 GMT (1424 HKT)

(CNN) -- Military personnel threw away, and ultimately burned, confiscated Bibles that were printed in the two most common Afghan languages amid concern they would be used to try to convert Afghans, a Defense Department spokesman said Tuesday.

The unsolicited Bibles sent by a church in the United States were confiscated about a year ago at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan because military rules forbid troops of any religion from proselytizing while deployed there, Lt. Col. Mark Wright said.

Such religious outreach can endanger American troops and civilians in the devoutly Muslim nation, Wright said.

"The decision was made that it was a 'force protection' measure to throw them away, because, if they did get out, it could be perceived by Afghans that the U.S. government or the U.S. military was trying to convert Muslims," Wright told CNN on Tuesday.

Troops at posts in war zones are required to burn their trash, Wright said.

The Bibles were written in the languages Pashto and Dari.

This decision came to light recently, after the Al Jazeera English network aired video of a group prayer service and chapel sermon that a reporter said suggested U.S. troops were being encouraged to spread Christianity.

The military denied that earlier this month, saying much in the video was taken out of context.

"This was irresponsible and dangerous journalism sensationalizing year-old footage of a religious service for U.S. soldiers on a U.S. base and inferring that troops are evangelizing to Afghans," Col. Gregory Julian said.

The military says a soldier at Bagram received the Bibles and didn't realize he wasn't allowed to hand them out. In the Al Jazeera video, which shows the Bibles at the prayer service, an unnamed soldier says members of his church raised money for them.

The chaplain later corrected the soldier and confiscated the Bibles, Wright said.

Military officers considered sending the Bibles back to the church, he said, but they worried the church would turn around and send them to another organization in Afghanistan -- giving the impression that they had been distributed by the U.S. government.

That could lead to violence against troops or U.S. civilians, Wright said.

Al Jazeera English, a Qatar-based international news service, said its reporters tried to get a response from military officials for its story but were unable to do so.

The U.S. military air base at Bagram is home to thousands of troops from all branches of the U.S. military. The vast majority of the troops do not leave the base and are in various support roles for U.S. troops across Afghanistan.

Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan - CNN.com
They disposed off the bible, not burned them out of hate.

I think intent matters here too. In Islam (or in tradition), I've heard about a few rituals involved in disposing of the Quran as well.
 
Burning bible for such purposes is different story altogather. Even in Pakistan or anywhere in Islamic countries, they burn Quran when they need to dispose it off.

This particular event of buring of Quran is solely to disrespect an Religion.


Which everyone has come out against. I have not even heard on the news of someone coming out and actually supporting this guy burning the Quran.
 
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The crux of my position is that arguments that position "sensitivity" are intellectually empty - that is to say, we must now deliberate on whoe "feelings" are more important - That's my position was always rooted in the constitutional guarantee - the Pastor has those rights and he should exercise them, if he so wishes.

In the same way, those who choose the sensitivity argument are now grist for the mill of "Muslim sentiments", are they not - so now we will be stuck arguing whose "feelings" are more imporatnt, more worthy --

One of the posters made the point that this is a dialogue between extremes, unfortunately, he is right --

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he heart of the US common man's attitude about Islam comes from the fact that a good many of the USA's enemies in the world (excepting Hugo C. and Kim Jong Il) are Muslim. Why? I think because of Israel.

For the most part, this was what I was referring to when I highlighted the unfavorable response of US Muslims and Muslims in general to US foereign Policy. And TS, the people in the US who have the most to lose should this business about "sensitivities" win the day are the supporters of Israel in the US - I don't mean the Evangelicals, I am referring to the community, a religious minority itself -
 
Many good points, but like I mentioned earlier in the thread, my first exposure to hatred for Islam happened in the late 90's when I was around 10+ years old with some white Christian friends. That was before 9/11 and when many Islamic nations supported GWI and the settling of account with Saddam.

Really? "Hatred" from fellow 10 year olds? They weren't just teasing you? Getting your goat? Oh well, that is what I would call "anecdotal" evidence. In my post I said "most" Americans, not every American. Anyway, I think "Islamophobia" is 95% driven by the fear of wanton terrorism that is carried out in the name of Islam. If that went away, then in a couple of generations, so would 95% of "Islamophobia". How much "Christianophobia or "Jewophobia"" exists in Muslim countries? Any? I think we are just dealing with basic human characteristics here, the fear of the "other", especially if the "other" has killed some people that are like yourself .....
 
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The German Nazis and their allies who put Jews, and others in Gas Chambers were Christians and therefore....?

Try and understand this - AL Qaida, a fringe ultra small group of deviants attacked the US on 9/11, not Islam -- Your position is that Islam attacked the US, great, stick to it.
 
Really? "Hatred" from fellow 10 year olds? They weren't just teasing you? Getting your goat? Oh well, that is what I would call "anecdotal" evidence. In my post I said "most" Americans, not every American. Anyway, I think "Islamophobia" is 95% driven by the fear of wanton terrorism that is carried out in the name of Islam. If that went away, then in a couple of generations, so would 95% of "Islamophobia". How much "Christianophobia or "Jewophobia"" exists in Muslim countries? Any? I think we are just dealing with basic human characteristics here, the fear of the "other", especially if the "other" has killed some people that are like yourself .....

Could you explain to me why 70% of Americans oppose this mosque ?
 
Well in that case why don't US Muslims accept the western principles of free speech and accept the right of this crazy Pastor to burn Qurans?

You can not cherry pick what privileges to take and what to reject.

You won't see anyone denying that there is a fundamental right of that person to burn the Quran, but that doesn't mean I have lost my right to voice my displeasure at him either.

Btw, its a right, not a privilege. By definition privileges can be cherry picked as they are optional.
 
Which everyone has come out against. I have not even heard on the news of someone coming out and actually supporting this guy burning the Quran.

Is that for recpect of a religion or for the fear of retaliation by fanatics of same kind?

You can get idea from this statement:
Burning Quran ‘recruitment bonanza for al Qaeda’: Obama
 
If that went away, then in a couple of generations, so would 95% of "Islamophobia". How much "Christianophobia or "Jewophobia"" exists in Muslim countries? Any? I think we are just dealing with basic human characteristics here, the fear of the "other", especially if the "other" has killed some people that are like yourself .....


TS, for the most part this is a conversation between Americans, this so called fear of the other, is REAL and it's not a one way street -- there is a thread on this board about Fareed Zakaria and how the US "over-reacted" - I wish mods would include it in this thread because it is so very relevant to this conversation.
 
I'm in America at the moment and I saw an interesting T-shirt that had a huge confederate flag on it and said "I'll keep my gun and money and you can keep the change"

Is this really a mentality you want to echo? ... baby

Clever T-Shirt, Barack Osama I mean Obama.. can keep his change. I damn well want to keep my money.
 
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