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Burning of Koran is CANCELLED

this paster got too much attention, now anybody who wants to blackmail muslims will announce new burn quran day.

we should haved ignored this bastard, now low life like him wants president of USA to beg him.

let him do what he wants, atleast he will look over his shoulder's for the rest of his pathatic life. :cheers:
 
this paster got too much attention, now anybody who wants to blackmail muslims will announce new burn quran day.

we should haved ignored this bastard, now low life like him wants president of USA to beg him.

let him do what he wants, atleast he will look over his shoulder's for the rest of his pathatic life. :cheers:

Blackmail? Nah... Anger? Yes. If there's no anger, two things can happen; either burning qur'an becomes a bit more acceptable or it just stops due to not attracting any attention
 
I don't why nobody has looked at the media for it's role in all this - for 9 years it has spread all kinds of vile ideas about Islam and Muslims to a lazy audience - yet now they are arguing that this pastor does not represent Christianity, that it's a small fring group -- and yet, is that they way they portray Osama and Al-Qaida, a organization of less than 400 persons? For 9 years they have built fear among ordinary Americans and now suggest that butter will not melt in their mouths - I think they should do some introspection -- wait a minute what am I saying. Well, they should be made to realize their responsibility in all this -- I'm sure that there will most definitely be Quran burnings, if not by this pastor then by a host of others, "real" Americans and there will be much more, such as the burning of Masajid, which, you mark my words, for the FBI, will be mysteries that will for the most part remain unsolvable.

US society learns in two particular ways, and one way in which it genuinely learns, is when there is a cost associated with certain behaviors, by costs associated, I am referring of course to Dollar amounts. And the other is the legal cost or the sanction of the state as representative of society (which where that FBI part comes in - they will fail, the courts will not)
 
I don't why nobody has looked at the media for it's role in all this - for 9 years it has spread all kinds of vile ideas about Islam and Muslims to a lazy audience - yet now they are arguing that this pastor does not represent Christianity, that it's a small fring group -- and yet, is that they way they portray Osama and Al-Qaida, a organization of less than 400 persons? For 9 years they have built fear among ordinary Americans and now suggest that butter will not melt in their mouths - I think they should do some introspection -- wait a minute what am I saying. Well, they should be made to realize their responsibility in all this -- I'm sure that there will most definitely be Quran burnings, if not by this pastor then by a host of others, "real" Americans and there will be much more, such as the burning of Masajid, which, you mark my words, for the FBI, will be mysteries that will for the most part remain unsolvable.

US society learns in two particular ways, and one way in which it genuinely learns, is when there is a cost associated with certain behaviors, by costs associated, I am referring of course to Dollar amounts. And the other is the legal cost or the sanction of the state as representative of society (which where that FBI part comes in - they will fail, the courts will not)

Yes sir, they have quite a double standard... that was what I thought of it.
 
Unfortunately, this whole discussion is swirling around the whirlpool of tit for tats.. where the fact remains.. "Death to America" rallies are probably the most useless waste of time ever invented by Pakistani's.. because eventually those who take part in them will probably take their burqa clad wives and mothers and enjoy a meal at KFC.
Angered at Israel...so blame the United States..sure go ahead..yet have no qualms about supporting Iran, where in the name of religion massive human rights violations occur.
Gambit, you deride governments for not intervening when rallies against the United States occur.. where millions march .. burning effigies and flags.. those millions form the voter base for the allies of the government... not just in Pakistan.. all over the Muslim world.. Most Muslim states are no longer democracies .. or even dictatorships.. they are survivalists... the leaders want to sit on their chairs.. enjoy the high of being in power for as long as possible.
To do that, they will prostitute their mothers if they have to.. now if those people have to turn a blind eye to chants of Death to America.. so be it... after all they still get their cut from USaid.
Muslims, by far are the most stupid people when it comes to their religion. Feed them all sorts of crap and they will believe it in the name of Islam... even though what is being fed to them, has literally nothing to do with it... and even if it did... was never what it was supposed to mean.
Muslim clergy used to be from the very best of scholars.. yet now it sits with obese and corrupt men who suck their beards clean of water after a spill and yet will be ready to give a lecture on hygiene.
And Muslims collectively have decided to hand over they keys to their faith to these people.. those that don't accept this are too afraid to speak out.. fearing that they may be lynched by the usual angry mob that this clergy can so easily rouse..
Most Muslims today, know as little about their religion as the Christians they so condemn as godless for not knowing anything outside sunday mass...
But they themselves know Nothing of Islam outside of their 5 prayers they say...To them.. its either the Mullah is right.. or he knows better.. or simply he doesn't want to risk public embarrassment by others who wont deviate from their Mullah.
You wish to put Islam under the microscope... by all means do it.. that is the best way for any religion to propagate.. but to expect the next Muslim you meet to answer your critical question correctly is folly.. he wont be able to.. he doesn't know it.. he reads the Quran without knowing what it says.. without knowing what context it says in.. and what time.. what conditions that particular verse was revealed.

The Pastor in question.. is a mirror image of a Mullah, where the Mullah shouts death to America.. the Pastor wants to burn the Quran.. yet, no one in the Muslim community will even object to a Mullah who wants to stick women in handcuffs.. or burn a church.. no massive protest.. nothing.. just a few mumbled voices here and there..
Is America at war with Islam...no.. is America at war with Muslims.. yes.. all over the place... but then again..most of these people (including myself).. aren't Muslims at all.. just tarnished image of misguided identity..an identity that cannot decide about its religion on its own and are habitually ungrateful to anything good that has happened for them thanks to the west.. and nobody fits this bill of hypocrisy more than Pakistani's.. nobody.

Throughout this whole Quran burning saga and countless others.. Pakistai's protested, burnt flags and generally bad mouthed everything American.
Nobody will recall the thousands saved by American troops in the floods and the quake... or the Billions in USaid that they never felt the guts to ask their government about as to where it went.
Nobody will stop watching HBO, or having Big Macs or drinking Pepsi. Nobody will stop buying computers(almost all processors are American). or Iphones.
Most will still prepare for the GRE to go for studies..
Some of these people will be there at the next "death to America" rally.. and those that aren't, dont really care about what is said about America or what happens to it.. as long as their piece of the pie isn't being disturbed.

So think about it, all this while you are trying to express your anger at what seems to be a lopsided attitude of the Muslim world when it comes to protesting.. somebody who argued with you about semantics of protests.. is going to be enjoying a piece of finger lickin good chicken along with a large cup of Pepsi and contributing to the American economy thanks to the franchise... with a folded poster that says "Death to United States" next to his seat.
 
Well from all reports it says the burning was put off, not canceled. The crazy pastor wants guarantees that the WTC muslim community center moves the build site. Rauf has said he will not give in to blackmail. So the burning will be definitely a last minute thing.
 
Cancel the burning as soon as possible or else I will be very mad at Christians.

dude.. your making the same mistake the pastor is...
He is blaming all Muslims and Islam for the evil actions of some Talibs, and you are are blaming all Christians for the actions of one crazy pastor.

remember not all Christians want to burn the Qur'an, even the Vatican has condemned it.

I beg of my Muslim brothers and sisters, if you are to protest this protest it peacefully!
by threatening the guy you're only going to strengthen his belief that Islam is violent and evil!

Plz lets prove him wrong about Islam........

regards
 
So it means that Muslims can be kneeled down to any demand by threatening to burn their holy book..shame..utter shame..how can one dare to do that with 1.2 billion muslims around the world..has any muslim leader called to burn bible, torah or geeta?? Even at the height of conflict?? Shame on america.

Pastor calls off burning of Holy Qur’an
By DAVE KAISER | ARAB NEWS


Published: Sep 10, 2010 01:11 Updated: Sep 10, 2010 01:11

GAINESVILLE, Florida: A Florida pastor called off Thursday a Qur’an-burning ceremony scheduled for this weekend, claiming he had secured a deal to move a planned mosque in New York away from Ground Zero.


“I will be flying up there on Saturday to meet with the imam at the Ground Zero mosque. He has agreed to move the location,” Terry Jones told journalists outside his small evangelical church in Gainesville, Florida.

“We felt that would be a sign that God would want us to do it. The American people do not want the mosque there, and, of course, Muslims do not want us to burn the copies of Qur’an.”

“We are, of course, now against any other group burning copies of the Qur’an,” Jones said during a news conference. We would right now ask no one to burn copies of the Qur’an. We are absolutely strong on that. It is not the time to do it.”

However, organizers behind plans for the Islamic cultural center and a mosque near the World Trade Center site denied the pastor’s claim that they had decided to move the project elsewhere.

“We don’t know anything about it,” Daisy Khan, one of the main promoters of the proposed cultural center and mosque and also the wife of imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, man behind the project, told reporters.

Jones said Imam Muhammad Musri of the Islamic Society of Central Florida told him that officials would guarantee that the mosque would be moved. “I asked him three times, and I have witnesses,” Jones said.”

Musri thanked Jones and his church members “for making the decision today to defuse the situation and bring to a positive end what has become the world over a spectacle that no one would benefit from except extremists and terrorists” who would use it to recruit future radicals.

Earlier, the pastor had his website pulled from the Internet, the hosting company said on Thursday.

Dan Goodgame, a spokesman for popular Web host Rackspace Hosting, said two websites operated by the Dove World Outreach Center, the tiny Gainesville, Florida church run by pastor Terry Jones, were shut down late on Wednesday.

Earlier, Jones had implied the only way he would back down if he received a phone call directly from the White House asking him not to proceed with his plan. The international police agency Interpol had warned governments worldwide on Thursday of an increased risk of terror attacks if the plan went ahead.

“If the proposed Qur’an burning by a pastor in the US goes ahead as planned, there is a strong likelihood that violent attacks on innocent people would follow,” Interpol said in a statement, adding that it was acting partly on a request from Pakistan.

US President Barack Obama had exhorted Jones to “listen to those better angels” and call off his plan.

Obama had told ABC’s “Good Morning America” in an interview aired on Thursday that he hoped pastor Jones would listen to the pleas of people who had asked him to call off the plan. The president called it a ‘stunt.’ “If he’s listening, I hope he understands that what he’s proposing to do is completely contrary to our values as Americans,” Obama said. “That this country has been built on the notion of freedom and religious tolerance.”

Said Obama: “Look, this is a recruitment bonanza for Al-Qaeda. You could have serious violence in places like Pakistan and Afghanistan.”

The president had also said Jones’ plan, if carried out, could serve as an incentive for terrorist-minded individuals “to blow themselves up” to kill others.

Pakistan’s president had condemned as “despicable” the plan, saying it would inflame Muslim sentiment across the world, a statement from his office said Thursday.

President Asif Ali Zardari said: “Anyone who even thought of such a despicable act must be suffering from a diseased mind and a sickly soul,” according to the statement.

“It will inflame sentiments among Muslims throughout the world and cause irreparable damage to interfaith harmony and also to world peace,” the statement quoted Zardari as saying.

The Organization of the Islamic Conference had on Thursday said the plan would constitute “an outrageous path of hatred.” Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, secretary-general of the 58-member OIC, expressed “grave concern” over the plan, according to an OIC statement.

Saleh S. Al-Wohaibi, the head of the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY), had expressed fears the plan had the potential of sparking violence in different parts of the world. The WAMY chief said that the burning of the Holy Book could spark anti-American violence, including against US soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Al-Wohaibi called the move a “highly provocative and idiotic act,” but he urged Muslim youths to respond to in a “sensible manner.”

Brig. Gen. Hans-Werner Fritz, the commander of German troops in Afghanistan, had said the burning would “provide a trigger ... for violence toward all ISAF troops, including the Germans in northern Afghanistan.”

Canada’s government had also expressed similar concerns, saying the torching plan “flames intolerance” including toward its own Afghanistan contingent. Indonesia’s President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono had warned of the impact between the Muslim world and the West in a letter to Obama.

Malaysia had called the ceremony a “heinous” act that represented an attack on Muslims, and called on the US to stop it from going ahead.

India, which has the world’s third largest Muslim population, had called on the US authorities to take “strong action” and for Indian media to impose a blackout on images of the event.

France’s Foreign Ministry had blasted what it called an “incitement to hatred” of Muslims, and “an insult to the memory of the victims of Sept. 11.”

British Prime Minister David Cameron’s spokesman had said he “strongly opposed” any attempt to offend members of a religious group while former Premier Tony Blair described the planned torching as “disrespectful”.

The State Department had ordered US embassies around the world to assess their security ahead of the ceremony amid fears it could spark anti-American violence. It issued a travel alert to caution US citizens of the potential for anti-US demonstrations in many countries.

(With input from agencies)


© 2010 Arab News

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World Outreach Center pastor Terry Jones, right, with Imam Muhammad Musri, president of the Islamic Society of Central Florida in Orlando, during a joint press conference on Thursday in Gainesville, Florida. (AP)
 
You got it wrong Jungibazz -- the pastor wants to provoke a response and then want to claim, "see I told you so" -- this is transparent.

Compare the response of most Muslim readers, they don't blame Christians for the actions of a radical minority, then compare the responses of those non-muslims who seek to paint the majority of Muslims with the actionsof a obscure minority.

Who had ever heard of bin laden or Al-Qaida? In the same way who had heard of this pastor before? But to those who use this issue, it wasn't Al-Qaida to blame but all Muslims and Islam.

This Pastor is just the beginning, there will be much more to come - Non- Muslim America's problem, only All Americans can solve. If they continue to suggest that they remain ignorant of Islam and Muslims in the US, then they have only themselves to blame, after all they can't be force fed, they must make the effort themselves.
 
This irresponsible attention seeking individual may have cancelled his plan, but he has done the damage which cant be repaired that easily. in these times we need more trust between east and west, but morons like that will only create more obstacles.
 
Free Speech guaranties in the constitution allow people to burn their own flag. I doubt that they would make exceptions for religious texts.

Burning/Destroying religious symbols or for that matter any symbol of social respect/reverence cannot be considered freedom of speech by any sense - it would rather be surely called an attack or insult.

But if that is the case in the US, then it reflects very poorly on its secular credentials.
 
Unfortunately, this whole discussion is swirling around the whirlpool of tit for tats.. where the fact remains.. "Death to America" rallies are probably the most useless waste of time ever invented by Pakistani's.. because eventually those who take part in them will probably take their burqa clad wives and mothers and enjoy a meal at KFC.
Angered at Israel...so blame the United States..sure go ahead..yet have no qualms about supporting Iran, where in the name of religion massive human rights violations occur.
Gambit, you deride governments for not intervening when rallies against the United States occur.. where millions march .. burning effigies and flags.. those millions form the voter base for the allies of the government... not just in Pakistan.. all over the Muslim world.. Most Muslim states are no longer democracies .. or even dictatorships.. they are survivalists... the leaders want to sit on their chairs.. enjoy the high of being in power for as long as possible.
To do that, they will prostitute their mothers if they have to.. now if those people have to turn a blind eye to chants of Death to America.. so be it... after all they still get their cut from USaid.
Muslims, by far are the most stupid people when it comes to their religion. Feed them all sorts of crap and they will believe it in the name of Islam... even though what is being fed to them, has literally nothing to do with it... and even if it did... was never what it was supposed to mean.
Muslim clergy used to be from the very best of scholars.. yet now it sits with obese and corrupt men who suck their beards clean of water after a spill and yet will be ready to give a lecture on hygiene.
And Muslims collectively have decided to hand over they keys to their faith to these people.. those that don't accept this are too afraid to speak out.. fearing that they may be lynched by the usual angry mob that this clergy can so easily rouse..
Most Muslims today, know as little about their religion as the Christians they so condemn as godless for not knowing anything outside sunday mass...
But they themselves know Nothing of Islam outside of their 5 prayers they say...To them.. its either the Mullah is right.. or he knows better.. or simply he doesn't want to risk public embarrassment by others who wont deviate from their Mullah.
You wish to put Islam under the microscope... by all means do it.. that is the best way for any religion to propagate.. but to expect the next Muslim you meet to answer your critical question correctly is folly.. he wont be able to.. he doesn't know it.. he reads the Quran without knowing what it says.. without knowing what context it says in.. and what time.. what conditions that particular verse was revealed.

The Pastor in question.. is a mirror image of a Mullah, where the Mullah shouts death to America.. the Pastor wants to burn the Quran.. yet, no one in the Muslim community will even object to a Mullah who wants to stick women in handcuffs.. or burn a church.. no massive protest.. nothing.. just a few mumbled voices here and there..
Is America at war with Islam...no.. is America at war with Muslims.. yes.. all over the place... but then again..most of these people (including myself).. aren't Muslims at all.. just tarnished image of misguided identity..an identity that cannot decide about its religion on its own and are habitually ungrateful to anything good that has happened for them thanks to the west.. and nobody fits this bill of hypocrisy more than Pakistani's.. nobody.

Throughout this whole Quran burning saga and countless others.. Pakistai's protested, burnt flags and generally bad mouthed everything American.
Nobody will recall the thousands saved by American troops in the floods and the quake... or the Billions in USaid that they never felt the guts to ask their government about as to where it went.
Nobody will stop watching HBO, or having Big Macs or drinking Pepsi. Nobody will stop buying computers(almost all processors are American). or Iphones.
Most will still prepare for the GRE to go for studies..
Some of these people will be there at the next "death to America" rally.. and those that aren't, dont really care about what is said about America or what happens to it.. as long as their piece of the pie isn't being disturbed.

So think about it, all this while you are trying to express your anger at what seems to be a lopsided attitude of the Muslim world when it comes to protesting.. somebody who argued with you about semantics of protests.. is going to be enjoying a piece of finger lickin good chicken along with a large cup of Pepsi and contributing to the American economy thanks to the franchise... with a folded poster that says "Death to United States" next to his seat.
o my my my .pal. .what a post..wish there could be more sane ppl lyk u.
 
Just in!

Gainesville pastor gives 2-hour ultimatum to New York City imam




Gainesville pastor gives 2-hour ultimatum to New York City imam



GAINESVILLE — Over the past two days in the ever increasing drama surrounding a Central Florida pastor's plans to burn copies of the Quran, the pastor, an imam and a rabbi have all held news conferences outside the Dove World Outreach Center.

This afternoon, in yet another new twist, Pastor Terry Jones introduced reporters to yet another new religious leader - one who issued a two-hour deadline for a New York City imam to make contact and set up a meeting.

Left unspoken: What happens if the imam misses the deadline.

But so far, neither Jones nor anyone else at Dove is saying that the threatened burning of the Quran is back on for Saturday.

K.A. Paul, president of the Houston-based Global Peace Initiative, stood behind Jones as he gave a brief introduction, then told reporters he had a challenge for Feisal Abdul Rauf, the New York imam leading plans to build a mosque near Ground Zero.

"Let me make it crystal clear," Paul said. "We would challenge the imam to call us within the next two hours so that we can set up a meeting."

Paul then made public his cell phone number along with the cell phone number of Jones' associate pastor, Warren Sapp.

Paul said he believed that Imam Muhammad Musri, president of the Islamic Society of Central Florida, had in fact deceived Jones on Thursday and had promised that the mosque would be moved away from Ground Zero if Jones and the several dozen members of Dove World called off their plans to burn the sacred Islamic text.

"I was there yesterday, I spoke to Pastor Terry, as well as to members of his team, and I know what really happened," Paul said.

But Paul ignored questions as to whether or not he had actually attended the meeting, or how he knew Musri had lied if he wasn't at the meeting.

"We will have the answer at 3:20," is all he would say to repeated questions.

Paul, who was born to Hindu roots and has called himself the "Billy Graham of India," is an international CHristian evangelist who has seen his own share of controversy. According to published reports, Paul claimed to have convinced former House speaker Dennis Hastert to not seek another term in office after the Mark Foley scandal.

As local Muslims celebrated the holiday closing out the Islamic holy month of fasting, a local pastor vowed he would still cancel plans to burn copies of the Quran this weekend while he and Islamic leaders sparred over whether an agreement ever existed to move a controversial Islamic center proposed near Ground Zero.

As Dove World Outreach Center Pastor Terry Jones made the rounds this morning on television news shows, international reports trickled in that several people had been injured and one person possibly killed in an Afghani protest of the event his church planned in commemoration of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Thursday night, Jones and Central Florida's Imam Muhammad Musri disagreed over an earlier conversation they had inside Jones' Gainesville church, which has been swarmed by an international crush of media this week while everyone from President Barack Obama to the Vatican condemned the burn.

Jones said Musri told him three times that the New York imam behind the proposed Islamic center and mosque had agreed to move the site if he canceled the burn. Musri said he'd merely promised a meeting with Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf in New York to discuss the issue.

Jones told ABC's "Good Morning America" and NBC's "The Today Show" that as of this morning he had no plans to go through with burning the sacred Islamic text and still hoped to meet with Rauf in New York even though he felt Musri had lied to him about the agreement.

"There is absolutely no possibility that I misunderstood him," Jones told host Robin Roberts on "Good Morning America."

Musri on Thursday at first said Jones had stretched his words regarding the agreement but by sundown said Jones' characterization of the meeting was flat out untrue.

Musri said Jones had been looking for a way to bow out of the planned Quran burn even before he offered the meeting. Musri told The Palm Beach Post on Thursday that Jones weighed canceling the ceremony on Saturday, but Musri urged him to call it off earlier.

Jones agreed and the two religious leaders decided to address the media together, Musri said, but the pastor's words had changed by the time they stepped outside the church together.
 
Who remember - some time May last year, Greek police tore off the Quran in front of some Muslim demonstrators...

The very same day a 5+ tremor hit Greece. :shock:

It's obvious they do these to instigate Muslims... there are times when matters are 'sorted' out by the Creator...
 
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