Bukhari calls stir anti-Islam, tells Muslims to stay away

[Imran Khan]

That is the joke of the centurie man, Congress == Secular? we have been living with this dillusion for a very long time and we have woken up. still the Pakistanis are sleeping in this....

tum logoon ki sab se bari problem pakistan hai ?

 

[Night_Raven]

Let me quote you what I think about Arundathi Roy. the lady tries to come to everyones rescue. be it a innocent, freedom fighter or corrupt or a murderer. She is like a insecure soul who fears the change that she has to face in the future. if she is given a choise like "Do you want change or do you want to be put in a cryo refrigrator to avoid change" she will chose the later

Yes , agreed.

I remember Roy defending the Narmada protests by saying :

"I believe that the people of the Narmada valley have the constitutional right to protest peacefully against what they consider an unjust and unfair judgement."

Same goes for Anna and the people of India protesting now.

So who's the hypocrite now? She has no credibility whatsoever !

 

[ashokdeiva]

tum logoon ki sab se bari problem pakistan hai ?

I did not get what you told as i don't know hindi but i know that you have voiced against me. Let me say you this. During Congress rule there has been no peace talks or accords. but BJP on the other hand might be a Hindu party but must of the developments between us came during their tenure in office. Don't you see the truth or your just blind to accept the truth.

 

[muse]

I don't know much about Vande Mataram - and I don't know if Tagore was a bigot or not - what little I do know, is that since his book in which Hindus burnt the homes of Muslims, while singing Vande Mataram, there has come to be associated with this poem/song, a strong disassociation for Muslims.

 

[Night_Raven]

I don't know much about Vande Mataram - and I don't know if Tagore was a bigot or not - what little I do know, is that since his book in which Hindus burnt the homes of Muslims, while singing Vande Mataram, there has come to be associated with this poem/song, a strong disassociation for Muslims.

If you dont know, then you should read up and then comment.

Vande Mataram was composed by Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay , and not Rabindranath Tagore.

And to the contrary to what you have posted , Vande Mataram was the leading song of India's Independence Movement .....

 

[ashokdeiva]

A very interesting point in the Lokpal Bill is the selection of chosen people to administer everyone, who can police everybody, from the PM, the judiciary, members of Parliament, and all of the bureaucracy.

The Lokpal has the powers of investigation, surveillance, and prosecution. Except for the fact that it won't have its own prisons, it functions as an independent administration, meant to counter the bloated, unaccountable, corrupt current regime. Two oligarchies, instead of just one.

This is not a way a country can govern itself. This is just a bandwagon movement, nothing else.

The problem is that most of the elected member of the Parliment do not have a clean record. Some have cirminal case 302 in thier records and I can say only 10% or less of the elected people have a intension to serve the nation. the rest of the politicians are interested in filling their lookers with the money of the people.
They are the reason that goons and thieves are free in this nation.

 

[Nitin Goyal]

Short takes: Why Imam Bukhari is SO wrong

It is the era of short messages, and in keeping with the times we kick off a new feature where our writers tell it like it is, in just a few words. Today, Faisal Kidwai tells us why Imam Bukhari is wrong in calling on Muslims to boycott Anna Hazare's anti-corruption movement

The Imam Bukhari of New Delhi's [ Images ] Jama Masjid has proved that you need real commitment to preach sheer stupidity.

In a statement carried he has appealed to Muslims to stay away from Anna Hazare's movement because the protesters are raising slogans such as 'Bharat Mata ki Jai' and 'Vande Mataram' which, according to him, are un-Islamic.

Well, first things first. The incumbent, Syed Ahmed Bukhari's father Syed Abdullah Bukhari has always supported the government in power. He has a long history of backing the administration, whether it is VP Singh's government, the BJP or the Congress.

These days the Congress is in power, so Imam Bukhari is supporting them by taking a stand against Anna Hazare.

His views are not based on religion, the Holy Book or even principles. All he cares about is maintaining his ever-dwindling power base.

His political stand can be summed up by the statement made by Groucho Marx: "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others."

Contrary to perceptions created over years by the media regarding Imam Bukhari, he does not even represent the Muslims of Delhi, let alone Muslims of India [ Images ].

He was created by the Congress, helped by the media and his support base has always been limited to areas surrounding the Jama Masjid.

Apart from those who want to ride on his coattails, Muslims around the country have never paid any attention to his statements or his diktats.

Now, in an effort to remain in the news, he has called on Muslims to not support a protest movement, not because the movement might lack merit or that the Jan Lokpal Bill might have glaring shortcoming.

No, sir, his stand, like always, is not based on rational reasons, but on headline-grabbing.

By the way, how is 'Bharat Mata ki Jai' un-Islamic? As far as I can see, it is just a slogan in praise of your country. If anything, having an imam like Bukhari is un-Islamic.

If Imam Bukhari has such a problem with 'Vande Mataram' or 'Bharat Mata ki Jai' then he should, frankly, leave India and live somewhere else, preferably in Pakistan, where he would feel very comfortable among the religious nuts ruling the streets.

Faisal Kidwai

Short takes: Why Imam Bukhari is SO wrong - Rediff.com India News

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^^^^Very well said Faisal Kidwai

 

[Awesome]

Many people have the misconception that Vande Mataram is a right wing hindu word.It means i bow to you mother.

And... It has been told many many times that Muslims bow to no one, except in prayer - to god. It is a fundamental tenet of being a Muslim.

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We are Indians first ... Hindus , Muslims , Sikhs , Christians later.

Having been to the Anti-Corruption rally , have seen Hindus and Muslims equally chanting "Inquilab Zindabad" and "Vande Mataram" both without any problems whatsoever.

Bukhari doesnt represent Muslims in India.Period.

Don't shout Vande Mataram and problem is resolved.

 

[MrProudIndian]

This is where the misperception lies. There are 10's of lakhs/crores of people unhappy & fighting the Congress, but for different motives than what Anna Hazare is.

So you are doubting the motives of lakhs of people out on the streets that they aren't fighting for corruption?-You are getting idiotic.

 

[Uchiha]

We should give this idiot one way ticket to Saudi Arbia or Somalia if he wants complete freedom.

He has the same right to live in India as any hindu or sikh

 

[Awesome]

WE also say thai manne vannakkam in tamil. Eveything national has a sentiment associated with it. Its how one percieves it.

As I said, Muslims bow to no one.

Tumhari sentiment sentiment hai, aur meri kuch nahi?

Especially considering the fact that saying I bow to the mother technically means you're not a Muslim. Since you categorically are only supposed to bow to God.

As far as association with religon goes i had already clarified in daily meaning it just means to salute your nation nothing more than that. Anyways Praying is also not about chanting some words i guess you understand what i mean.

If it just means that, then you stop using it. Is your sentiment more important or the fight against corruption? Fight corruption, why bring in your controversial sentiments.

jab aapki ek taang kashmir main atki hui hai to kabab main to haddi milegi hi...

Logic ki baat ho rahi hai. I'm telling you a practiciing Muslim will not ever say it. If you're bowing down to every other thing phir Musalmaaniat wali baat hi khatam hogai. Kashmir kya aap logon ki toh tarri hai ke Pakistan bhej deinge agar Vande Mataram nahi gaya.

 

[ashokdeiva]

And... It has been told many many times that Muslims bow to no one, except in prayer - to god. It is a fundamental tenet of being a Muslim.

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Don't shout Vande Mataram and problem is resolved.

Can the Indian Muslim do what ever he/she wishes and your expert advice is not needed in our internal matters. INDIA is evolving and I wish that Pakistan to evolve against their corrupt masters. and thats just a wish its upto the Pakistanis.

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If it just means that, then you stop using it. Is your sentiment more important or the fight against corruption? Fight corruption, why bring in your controversial sentiments.
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The fight against corruption is to save the nation and the word Vande Matharam is a war cry against corrupt people

 

[Uchiha]

Lol at first I thought this was a thread about Sahih Bukhari and some shia/sunni rant

 

[DarK-LorD]

As I said, Muslims bow to no one.

Tumhari sentiment sentiment hai, aur meri kuch nahi?

Especially considering the fact that saying I bow to the mother technically means you're not a Muslim. Since you categorically are only supposed to bow to God.


If it just means that, then you stop using it. Is your sentiment more important or the fight against corruption? Fight corruption, why bring in your controversial sentiments.


Logic ki baat ho rahi hai. I'm telling you a practiciing Muslim will not ever say it. If you're bowing down to every other thing phir Musalmaaniat wali baat hi khatam hogai. Kashmir kya aap logon ki toh tarri hai ke Pakistan bhej deinge agar Vande Mataram nahi gaya.

I don't care whether Muslims bow to anyone or not.But they should bow in front in their nation.

 

[MrProudIndian]

As I said, Muslims bow to no one.

Tumhari sentiment sentiment hai, aur meri kuch nahi?

Especially considering the fact that saying I bow to the mother technically means you're not a Muslim. Since you categorically are only supposed to bow to God.


If it just means that, then you stop using it. Is your sentiment more important or the fight against corruption? Fight corruption, why bring in your controversial sentiments.


Logic ki baat ho rahi hai. I'm telling you a practiciing Muslim will not ever say it. If you're bowing down to every other thing phir Musalmaaniat wali baat hi khatam hogai. Kashmir kya aap logon ki toh tarri hai ke Pakistan bhej deinge agar Vande Mataram nahi gaya.

Well if Muslims aren't allowed to bow infront of their mother...then IMO its a shame...you don't see god anywhere do you?but you do see your mother who brought you in this world.