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Budget LIVE: Defence allocation is Rs 2,46,727 crores, says Jaitley

Answered above buddy and those who say India's defence spending is $48-52 billion are including how much India spends on the CAPFs and thus combining the MHA and MoD budgets for whatever reason. I have seen this done by many international media outlets and IIRC Sipri do so too but it is obviously inaccurate.

India placed orders worth Rs 83,858 crore for military purchases from 2011 to 2014 | idrw.org
that reports says india placed order for $136 billion right?? so what is the major military prucurement india done in b/w 2011 and 2014???
 
impressive list... and yet those 69 hunger dead in the tea estates of darjeeling from some months ago... yet the "educated" allowing "doctors" to feed aborted female foetuses to dogs... yet the "educated" sitting in front of astrologers and buying "yantras" and visiting "spiritual healers" and allowing murder of anti-superstition activists like narendra dhabolkar... yet malaria spread across india and people having stunted limbs because of fluoride mixing with ground water... yet even middle class people having only enough money to travel to the next month with the ocassional purchase of some useless consumer device but not enough money to truly remove themselves from poverty through starting a business... yet no technological contribution to humanity despite having the highest number of colleges especially in the computer field ( my present field )... yet having the highest number of road mishaps per year... wonderful.

no, sir... you are the real genius here because what i wrote above is total nonsense.
Because $40 billion (the defence budget's value) would solve ALL of the above (including all social issues) overnight?


Yes, India should not spent a single rupee on defence, I'm sure this will only bring positives for the nation and region, I don't think anything warrants such defence spending, not the two aggrieve nations on India's borders who on seeing India's unilateral abolishment of defence spending would do the same.

Don't give me all this hyperbole over $40 billion USD and 1.7% of GDP. I'd side with you had they hiked defence spending to over 2.5% of GDP but current levels are more than defensible.
 
In the current stage of India's growth it is very good that the GoI is keeping defence spending as a proportion of GDP low. Simply put there are better things to spend the money on- the economy, infrastructure, healthcare, education etc which in the long run will all improve India and contribute positively to India's GDP growth which in turn will see the defence budget grow as a byproduct.




Thats right you don't want to spend an exorbitant amount of money on missiles which you won't be using ever. Better invest that money in your people and create opportunities for them as that same money will multiply and come back to you in the form of taxes as it is a cycle. Our defence expenditure should just serve the purpose of deterrent against any adventures by our adversaries in the region. While the main focus of the government should be to uplift our people as they will the ones who will take this nation forward.


As I have been saying, it is clearly not a lack of funding that is crippling the Indian military and capping procurements BUT blatant mismanagement. Even with a $60 billion defence budget the way things stand today many billions of that would be returned to the Fin Min as unspent. The MoD needs to reform the entire procurement process and make the best use of every last ruppee/cent of the defence budget.

Indeed it is , Former defence minister A K Anthony has himself admitted it many times that he has failed to utilize those funds allocated to his ministry.

War ready? Govt says snap red tape first (i will post the main part only)

Antony complained that he's unable to spend money on weapons desperately required for national security despite his pockets being full



"Even though our Government is earmarking huge budgets, it is not being fully reflected in our modernisation efforts. Allocation of money has never been a problem. The issue has rather been the timely and judicious utilisation of money allocated,” he said.


"We need to cut down on unnecessary procedural delays, bottlenecks and red-tapism in our procurement mechanism," he said


http://ibnlive.in.com/news/war-ready-govt-says-snap-red-tape-first/84482-3.html




 
India placed orders worth Rs 83,858 crore for military purchases from 2011 to 2014 | idrw.org
that reports says india placed order for $136 billion right?? so what is the major military prucurement india done in b/w 2011 and 2014???
The $136 billion figure is misleading, basically it means India signed deals worth that mount in that period such as:

More MKIs
More Hawks
Mi-17 V5s
More MiG-29Ks
Arjun Mk.2s
C-17s
P-8Is
C-130Js
etc etc

There is a hell of a lot more expenditure that doesn't get much attention but costs a bomb but boosts the military's capabilities manifold like AFNET and such.
 
"Even though our Government is earmarking huge budgets, it is not being fully reflected in our modernisation efforts. Allocation of money has never been a problem. The issue has rather been the timely and judicious utilisation of money allocated,” he said.


"We need to cut down on unnecessary procedural delays, bottlenecks and red-tapism in our procurement mechanism," he said
The "Saint" is speaking the truth, shame he did little to actually deliver on these words.....
 
a four-year-old girl died of breathing troubles in a jalandhar government hospital in 2012 because her father could not pay some thousand rupees demanded by the hospital authorities... while in the same year 2012, the indian military purchased 800 crores worth of rockets from israel... fair?

Why are you bring Israel into this? Loss of life is very unfortunate... but comparing that with Israel is stupidity!

Israel helped in 1999 to win Kargil war quickly... else many Indian soldiers would have died in vacating the scums at mountain top!

Sorry India is NOT a Islamic republic... If you are not happy... Pack you stuff and migrate to a land of Shariah law!
 
Modest hike in outlay for Defence

...With a major modernisation drive under way, the defence budget was increased by a modest Rs. 24,000 crore over the previous year’s to Rs. 2,46,727 crore.

This is 7.7 per cent over the budget estimates of 2013-14 and about 11 per cent over the revised estimates of Rs. 2,22,370 crore.

Of the allocation of Rs. 2,46,727 crore, revenue expenditure gets Rs. 1,52,139 crore and capital expenditure Rs. 94,588 crore.

However, committed liabilities within the capital budget are so high that it leaves little money for new acquisitions.

Additional funds will be required with mega deals to be decided soon, the biggest of them being the Rafale multi-role aircraft deal with France estimated at over $20 billion.


Others include artillery guns, Apache attack helicopters and Chinook heavy lift helicopters from Boeing.

Modest hike in outlay for Defence - The Hindu


India hikes defence spend 7 percent to Rs.246,727 crore

India Saturday hiked its defence allocation by a modest 7.74 percent to Rs.246,727 crore ($40 billion), with Finance Minister Arun Jaitley declaring that “defence of every inch of our land is above everything else”...

...As usual, the 13-lakh-strong Indian Army has received Rs.1,04,158 crore — a hike of Rs.5,846 from the revised estimate of Rs.98,310 crore in 2014-15.
At Rs.23,000 crore, the Indian Air Force allocation is Rs.2,815 crore higher than that of the previous fiscal, while the Indian Navy, at Rs.15,525 crore, has seen a small rise of Rs.1,590 crore.
As for the War Memorial and War Museum, for which Jaitley, then also the defence minister, had allocated Rs.100 crore in his previous budget, a separate implementation document circulated along with the budget paper, said the draft cabinet note for this was “under preparation”.
There has also been little progress in implementing the one-rank-one-pay scheme, for which an additional Rs.1,000 crore had been allocated in the last budget, with the implementation report saying: “The modalities are under consideration.”

India hikes defence spend 7 percent to Rs.246,727 crore | Business Standard News


Marginal rise in defence Budget

Record underspend on equipment modernisation; lack of clarity on implementing One rank, One pension scheme

...At 1.75 per cent of the estimated GDP for the coming year, this continues a steady decline over the last two years. In percentage terms, this allocation approximates those made in the lead up to 1962. Even this modest rise was possible because the government failed to spend Rs 2,29,000 crore that it had allocated for 2014-15. The revised estimates of Rs 2,22,370 crore for the current year indicate the defence Budget remained underspent by Rs 6,630 crore.

That spending shortfall came entirely in the crucial capital procurement head, where the defence ministry spent only Rs 81,965 crore of the current year's capital allocation of Rs 94,588 crore - a shortfall of Rs 12,623 crore.

Besides the Rs 6,630 crore that will be returned unspent from the capital head, the defence ministry transferred another Rs 6,000 crore from the capital to the revenue head.

The coming year's capital Budget is Rs 94,588 crore, coincidentally the same figure as last year's capital allocation. The revenue Budget, meanwhile, has gone up from Rs 1,34,412 to Rs 1,52,139 - a rise of Rs 17,727 crore, or 13 per cent.

Among the three services, the air force has been allocated the lion's share of the capital Budget - Rs 31,481 crore, compared to the navy's Rs 23,910 crore and the army's Rs 21,574 crore. Even so, the air force allocation remains stagnant, indicating the government has not budgeted for buying the Rafale medium fighter, which would have required about Rs 15,000 crore as the signing amount...

Marginal rise in defence Budget | Business Standard News


Is meagre allocataion for defence in budget, an indication to policy changes?

...The budget has disappointed those batting for more funds for the military modernisation. Even the SMEs and MSMEs too seem to be not jumping in joy yet, as they expected more from the Jaitley suitcase.

Air Marshal M Matheswaran (Retd), former Deputy Chief of the Integrated Defence Staff (Policy, Planning and Development) and currently an Advisor to Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd, told OneIndia that the mere 10 per cent increase doesn't help the cause of modernisation plan at the moment...

...Puneet Kaura, Executive Director, Samtel Avionics, told OneIndia that the emphasis on Make in India in FM's speech was encouraging.

"We welcome the tax reduction on royalties on technologies from 30 per cent to 10 per cent. I believe that the excise and custom duties on certain items have been cut," .I expected an announcement on the tax holidays being talked about for defence companies in India to come through. Overall it is a satisfying budget Puneet said...

...M C Dinesh, Federation of Karnataka Chambers of Commerce & Industry (FKCCI), Vice President, told OneIndia that the FM failed to replicate the passion at which the Prime Minister Narendra Modi has been driving the Make in India mission. "At least his speech doesn't reflect the same. No way is the current budget going to inspire the MSMEs...

...Brig Gurmeet Kanwal, former Director, Centre for Land Warfare Studies, New Delhi, wrote in the widely-respected Indian Defence Review (IDR) today that the marginal increase in the defence budget is grossly inadequate to give a boost to military modernisation...
..."The increase in the allocation - partially neutralised by the high annual inflation rate that still hovers between 6 and 7 per cent, the steep fall in the value of the rupee against the US dollar vis-à-vis the traditional rise in the global prices of arms - was insufficient to give a major boost to the military modernisation that is necessary to meet the emerging threats and challenges,"...

...According to Dr C G Krishnadas Nair, former Chairman of HAL, the budget emphasis strongly on the support being given by the government for making defence products indigenously in India...
...We should not be disappointed by the marginal increase as it gives us more responsibility to put in all efforts to make maximum products for the defence needs within the country," says Dr Nair...

Is meager allocation for dahttp://www.oneindia.com/india/is-meager-allocation-for-defence-in-budget-an-indication-to-policy-changes-1669817.htmlefence in budget, an indication to policy changes? - Oneindia
 
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Total : Rs.246,727 crore
REVX: gone up from Rs 1,34,412 to Rs 1,52,139 - a rise of Rs 17,727 crore, or 13 per cent.
CAPX:Rs 94,588 (38 % of the total defence outlay) (no change from last year)
unspend CAPX last year : Rs 12,622 cr - Rs 5,992 crore was diverted towards revenue spending = 6639 cr

Indian Army
: Rs.1,04,158 crore — a hike of Rs.5,846 from the revised estimate of Rs.98,310 crore in 2014-15.
IAF : Rs.23,000 crore - Rs.2,815 crore higher than that of the previous fiscal
Indian Navy : Rs.15,525 crore, has seen a small rise of Rs.1,590 crore.
  • No new fund for modernization
  • No indication of rafale in IAF CAPX
  • No R&D increase.
@sancho @Abingdonboy @anant_s
What will happen to those unspent 6639cr ?
 
My personal take on the "defence" budget is, that it's very disappointing!

This is an opinion not based on high expectations, but based on the fact that it doesn't reflect the improved situation of the country. Last year, when the government took over, the economy was in recovery from the global financial problems, which effected the available money to spend and still the government increased the budget around 13%, which gave hope that several pending procurements could be done:

A Long To-Do List for Manohar Parrikar, Defence Minister


This year shows a very positive economic forcast, which could be used to push the modernisation of the forces, so the least one could had expected was, to see the same rate of increase around 13%, maybe even a bold push to 15%, to give a clear statement of the commitment the government to the forces and the defence industry!

2014-15 Rs 2.29 lakh crore / $37.5 billion
+ 7.5% => Rs 2.46 lakh crore / $40.3 billion
+ 13% => Rs 2.58 lakh crore / $42.3 billion
+ 15% => Rs 2.63 lakh crore / $43.1 billion

When we keep in mind that around $1 billion unspend money was returned by the MoD, the new budget only show that $1 billion + only $1.8 billion increase, which is clearly far too low to seal all the pending deals.
Moreover, reducing the increase far below level of the last year, also is a bad sign for the industry or foreign vendors, that see India as a huge market. A 13 to 15% increase, would had increased confidence in the mid to long term support of the government, especially with their Make in India agenda, which requires the industry to invest on their own too.

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...M C Dinesh, Federation of Karnataka Chambers of Commerce & Industry (FKCCI), Vice President, told OneIndia that the FM failed to replicate the passion at which the Prime Minister Narendra Modi has been driving the Make in India mission. "At least his speech doesn't reflect the same. No way is the current budget going to inspire the MSMEs...

Budget LIVE: Defence allocation is Rs 2,46,727 crores, says Jaitley | Page 6


This was the chance to show bold actions, alongside to the Make in India PR campaign, as well as to the first positive steps the MoD took last year, with the FDI increase and less bureaucratic restrictions, but it sadly sadly was missed.
 
My personal take on the "defence" budget is, that it's very disappointing!

This is an opinion not based on high expectations, but based on the fact that it doesn't reflect the improved situation of the country. Last year, when the government took over, the economy was in recovery from the global financial problems, which effected the available money to spend and still the government increased the budget around 13%, which gave hope that several pending procurements could be done:

A Long To-Do List for Manohar Parrikar, Defence Minister


This year shows a very positive economic forcast, which could be used to push the modernisation of the forces, so the least one could had expected was, to see the same rate of increase around 13%, maybe even a bold push to 15%, to give a clear statement of the commitment the government to the forces and the defence industry!

2014-15 Rs 2.29 lakh crore / $37.5 billion
+ 7.5% => Rs 2.46 lakh crore / $40.3 billion
+ 13% => Rs 2.58 lakh crore / $42.3 billion
+ 15% => Rs 2.63 lakh crore / $43.1 billion

When we keep in mind that around $1 billion unspend money was returned by the MoD, the new budget only show that $1 billion + only $1.8 billion increase, which is clearly far too low to seal all the pending deals.
Moreover, reducing the increase far below level of the last year, also is a bad sign for the industry or foreign vendors, that see India as a huge market. A 13 to 15% increase, would had increased confidence in the mid to long term support of the government, especially with their Make in India agenda, which requires the industry to invest on their own too.

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Budget LIVE: Defence allocation is Rs 2,46,727 crores, says Jaitley | Page 6


This was the chance to show bold actions, alongside to the Make in India PR campaign, as well as to the first positive steps the MoD took last year, with the FDI increase and less bureaucratic restrictions, but it sadly sadly was missed.

The defence budget accounts for nearly 13.88 % of the total central government expenditure for the year 2015-16
Personally,i wasn't expecting more than 10%.And,I cannot complain for 7%.
% spending on defence never breached 14% and we cannot expect it without economy taking off.
Which will be happening in coming years.
Budget 2015-16 in seven charts - The Hindu
 
COVER STORY: INDIA’S DEFENCE SPEND MAY HIT $620 BILLION IN FY14-22
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With half of spend going into capex, India will potentially turn into a supplier of arms to rich nations

18th Feb 2015



India’s defence spend may hit $620 billion in FY14-22
With half of spend going into capex, India will potentially turn into a supplier of arms to rich nations

Mumbai: India’s defence spend is expected to hit $620 billion between fiscal years 2014 and 2022, with half of it going into capital expenditure (capex), potentially turning a leading buyer of expensive arms into an arms supplier to rich nations.

Driven by both domestic and external demand, the annual opportunity for Indian companies—both public and private sector—is expected to reach $41 billion by fiscal year 2022 and $168 billion between fiscal 2014-2022, according to a report by industry association Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry and financial services firm Centrum Capital Ltd.

The report, released earlier this month, noted that the government has consistently underspent vis-à-vis budgets set for the domestic defence sector, mainly due to procedural delays.

Majority of the spends were for maintenance and paying salaries of the Armed Forces rather than for buying new equipment. “This anomaly is being taken very seriously by the government, which is planning to shift the current operating expenditure :capital expenditure ratio of 60:40 to 50:50 and eventually take it to 40:60 in the long term.

Policy level changes in the past 2-3 years are considered positive by industry players,” the report noted. “Realisation of the importance of private sector for upgradation of arms is a major positive. We expect the domestic demand to be the primary force to drive industry growth,” it said.

The report said fiscal strains on the balance sheets of developed countries will lead to global firms starting to look for cheaper sourcing of products and services from other countries. “We believe India has the key ingredients (large and relatively low cost engineering talent pool along with comfort of Western nations with India from a geo-political perspective) to deliver on the opportunity,” the report said. “However, India will have to significantly improve on some other factors (technology, lack of a defence manufacturing ecosystem, etc.),” the report added.

Besides, the nature of warfare becoming more software intensive plays to the strengths of India, with its IT sector growth and its diversified presence. Post a 10-15 year learning curve, some Indian companies are expected to move up the value chain and become independent system integrators across the technology-design-system integration value chain, either by themselves or as part of significant consortia, the report noted.

This will in turn drive growth in the defence sector, as Indian companies ramp up their capacities to cater to growing domestic demand. Sandeep Upadhyay, senior vice-president and head infrastructure solutions group at Centrum Capital, said he believes the Indian defence sector is at an inflexion point and poised to grow at a sustainable high rate in the next decade.

“The prolific growth opportunities highlighted in the report, backed by a renewed focus from the government on streamlining policies and cultivating a conducive investment climate, potential investors should consider it as a strategic investment alternative,” he said. India’s defence spend is large when compared with spends on other parts of the economy, but is under-represented in terms of market capitalization on listed stock exchanges.

The defence spend has been in the range of 2-2.5% of the nominal gross domestic product (GDP) in the past decade, while market capitalization of Indian defence companies has never been above 0.7% of GDP at any given point in time. There are several reasons for this. A large part of the spend (60% currently) is revenue expenditure—which is internal in nature.

Unlike in the US, where some non-core functions are outsourced, the Indian Armed Forces have always relied on doing these functions internally. “We see these functions changing over the next 5-10 years though we believe this area is unlikely to grow as fast as the capex,” the report said.

Also, of this capex (40% of the budgeted spend), about 70% is imported—India is among the largest importers of weapon systems globally. This is reflected in the lower revenues of Indian corporate entities. The main public sector units in defence are Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd, Bharat Electronics Ltd (BEL), Bharat Earth Movers Ltd (BEML), Mazagon Docks Ltd and Bharat Dynamics Ltd. Of these, BEL and BEML are listed on Indian stock exchanges BSE and NSE. The large private sector companies are all part of listed entities—such as Larsen & Toubro Ltd (L&T), Tata Power Ltd, Tata Motors Ltd, Mahindra and Mahindra Ltd, Bharat Forge Ltd—or unlisted holding firms such as Tata Sons Ltd. “We believe indigenization will take center stage and gather pace going forward.

Government took a number of steps in this direction, by opening up defence production to the private sector and allowing 26% FDI (foreign direct investment) in 2001 and defined categorization hierarchy in favour of indigenous procurement in 2013,” the report said. Recently, the FDI limit was further raised from 26% to a composite cap of 49% (FDI and FII) through the Foreign Investment Promotion Board route with full Indian management and control.

The report hopes that the government’s Make in India initiative will also help Indian defence firms step up manufacturing. The initiative, launched by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, includes simplification of the “Make” procedure, financial incentives such as tax holidays, and incentivizing research and development. The government has also streamlined its offset policy with innovative components, giving a thrust to medium and micro, small and medium enterprises sector, and simplifying export rules.

The offset clause stipulates that 30-50% of the armament purchase value should be spent on buying Indian components, sub-systems and products. As part of capital purchase agreements with foreign defence firms, it is aimed at building an ecosystem of domestic suppliers. “It has also been decided to promote defence and aerospace exports through an export promotion body,” the report said.

“We believe that this initiative will incentivize private players to invest more into Aerospace and Defence sector and help exports grow.” “In the next 5-10 years we expect Indian players to become systems integrators. We believe this process could be hastened by inorganic initiatives by groups with deep pockets (L&T, Tata, Mahindra & Mahindra, Reliance Industries, Bharat Forge, etc.) who may pick up assets divested by foreign defence players as they restructure and become trimmer,” the report added.
 
Personally,i wasn't expecting more than 10%.And,I cannot complain for 7%.
% spending on defence never breached 14% and we cannot expect it without economy taking off.
Which will be happening in coming years.
Budget 2015-16 in seven charts - The Hindu
I agree and @sancho I don't think there was much reason to expect a great hike in defence spending or much to justify it. And, as I have said, the funds or lack thereof are not really any issue but mismanagement. The MoD and services need to get their procurement process in line otherwise even with a $100 billion defence budget they would be return vast amounts of unspent funds, there would be a backlog of defence deals and such. For what India wants to do today there is the money, I just hope the faith in the new DM brings about tangible benefits in terms of ease of making defence sales in India.
 
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