BSF Assistant Commander killed on LOC

[Taimoor Khan]

Would be nice if we are using our home grown snipers on these rats as test subjects and improve our product efficiency.

 

[Lucky Breeze]

So Pakistan army release the pressure.

 

[Mighty Lion]

I have been looking for a chance to reply on this casualties Shor Sharaba ,and here I have been provided with one.

Dude!
We are country with Free Media and Press even for the sake of argument If I agree that PA hides its casualties but they cannot hide funerals from our free press .

In 2016 ISPR announced 12 casualties on LoC on only 3 dates; 29 September, 14 November, 23 November (Kotli sector). But the GHQ award ceremony in 2018 showed that there were LoC casualties on 18 October, 8 November, 19 November, 23 November (Kel sector) even though at that time there were no such mentions by ISPR.
Thus proving ISPR does not report casualties.

Even the four new casualties revealed in investiture 2018 were announced only because they won awards. Meaning other who did not get awards have not yet been revealed.


Anyways in 2016 it was stated during an interview of Pakistan defence minister that 27 Pakistani soldiers were KIA & 66 WIA.


Last year your defence ministry reported total of 87 killed in cross firing both military and civilian at the same ISPR said 53 civilians along LoC & IB in 2017 which means Pak military casualties along LoC in 2017 were 34.
This means ISPR did not report 22 casualties to public.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1383209/proposal-for-meeting-of-pak-india-dgmos-under-study

ISPR does not even report names of soldiers who are set to recieve gallantry awards until many months later so forget about them reporting about soldiers who wont recieve gallantry awards

In 2018 GHQ ceremony showed that there were four casualties on 18 Oct, 8 Nov, 19 Nov, 23 Nov (Kel) 2016 something which ISPR or Pakistan media did not report in 2016. The only reason they got mentioned 18 months later was because they won awards which means many who did not get awards in that ceremony are yet to be mentioned.

Pakistan does not even report IED attacks across LoC conducted by India

Pakistan does not also report about Indian BAT attacks to public although it did lodge complains with UNMOGIP
https://www.dawn.com/news/782394

Even few months back on 29th August 2018
PTI Senator Samina Saeed asked Pakistan's new Defence Minister Pervez Khattak details about number of cross LoC firing and Pakistani army and civilian casualties due to it. A pretty standard question in Parliaments around the world.


But astonishingly the new Defence minister provided her with only details about Civilian casualties and did not provide an Iota of information about Pakistan Army casualties along LoC despite the Senator clearly asking for those details.

Here is the full and unedited Question and Answer:

*Question No. 76 Senator Samina Saeed:
(Notice Received on 22/05/2018 at 2:25 PM) QID: 34588

Will the Minister for Defence be pleased to state:
(a) the number of violations committed by Indian forces on the line
of control (LOC) during the current year; and
(b) the number of Army personnel and civilians martyred as a result
of the said violations?

Mr. Pervez Khattak: (a) A total of 1686 x Ceasefire Violations along
LOC have been committed by Indian Army since 1 January, 2018 to date.
(b) 23 x Civilians have embraced Shahadat and 136 x civilians suffered
injuries due to ceasefire violations committed by Indian Forces since 1 January, 2018
to date.

Link: http://senate.gov.pk/uploads/documents/questions/1535521195_746.pdf

 

[Areesh]

In 2016 ISPR announced 12 casualties on LoC on only 3 dates; 29 September, 14 November, 23 November (Kotli sector). But the GHQ award ceremony in 2018 showed that there were LoC casualties on 18 October, 8 November, 19 November, 23 November (Kel sector) even though at that time there were no such mentions by ISPR.
Thus proving ISPR does not report casualties.

Even the four new casualties revealed in investiture 2018 were announced only because they won awards. Meaning other who did not get awards have not yet been revealed.


Anyways in 2016 it was stated during an interview of Pakistan defence minister that 27 Pakistani soldiers were KIA & 66 WIA.


Last year your defence ministry reported total of 87 killed in cross firing both military and civilian at the same ISPR said 53 civilians along LoC & IB in 2017 which means Pak military casualties along LoC in 2017 were 34.
This means ISPR did not report 22 casualties to public.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1383209/proposal-for-meeting-of-pak-india-dgmos-under-study

ISPR does not even report names of soldiers who are set to recieve gallantry awards until many months later so forget about them reporting about soldiers who wont recieve gallantry awards

In 2018 GHQ ceremony showed that there were four casualties on 18 Oct, 8 Nov, 19 Nov, 23 Nov (Kel) 2016 something which ISPR or Pakistan media did not report in 2016. The only reason they got mentioned 18 months later was because they won awards which means many who did not get awards in that ceremony are yet to be mentioned.

Pakistan does not even report IED attacks across LoC conducted by India

Pakistan does not also report about Indian BAT attacks to public although it did lodge complains with UNMOGIP
https://www.dawn.com/news/782394

Even few months back on 29th August 2018
PTI Senator Samina Saeed asked Pakistan's new Defence Minister Pervez Khattak details about number of cross LoC firing and Pakistani army and civilian casualties due to it. A pretty standard question in Parliaments around the world.


But astonishingly the new Defence minister provided her with only details about Civilian casualties and did not provide an Iota of information about Pakistan Army casualties along LoC despite the Senator clearly asking for those details.

Here is the full and unedited Question and Answer:

*Question No. 76 Senator Samina Saeed:
(Notice Received on 22/05/2018 at 2:25 PM) QID: 34588

Will the Minister for Defence be pleased to state:
(a) the number of violations committed by Indian forces on the line
of control (LOC) during the current year; and
(b) the number of Army personnel and civilians martyred as a result
of the said violations?

Mr. Pervez Khattak: (a) A total of 1686 x Ceasefire Violations along
LOC have been committed by Indian Army since 1 January, 2018 to date.
(b) 23 x Civilians have embraced Shahadat and 136 x civilians suffered
injuries due to ceasefire violations committed by Indian Forces since 1 January, 2018
to date.

Link: http://senate.gov.pk/uploads/documents/questions/1535521195_746.pdf

Excuses, Lies, Manipulations, Misinterpretations. Connecting news A to News Z and News Y to News E

Just to feel good while Indian soldiers keep dying on LOC and WB

 

[American Pakistani]

Ahh...the paraysar...

Death to 7 lakh Indian occupier terrorists.

 

[Areesh]

Its our problem not yours

This... This is what is the point here. Bharatis don't need to worry about Pakistani soldiers or death or their funeral or whatever

Go worry about your men who are dying continuously despite tall claims of Indian civilian and military leadership

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Not LoC but IB/WB.

In recent book on LoC by Professor Happymon Jacob a Pakistan army general told him that Pakistan opens fire on IB to retaliate to LoC firing as they have an advantage there against BSF unlike LoC where in 70% of the areas the advantage is with Indian army.

and vice versa

Not LoC but IB/WB.

In recent book on LoC by Professor Happymon Jacob a Pakistan army general told him that Pakistan opens fire on IB to retaliate to LoC firing as they have an advantage there against BSF unlike LoC where in 70% of the areas the advantage is with Indian army.

working boundary is LOC for us. and in some places, its LOC for u.

 

[Osiris]

I have been looking for a chance to reply on this casualties Shor Sharaba ,and here I have been provided with one.

Dude!
We are country with Free Media and Press even for the sake of argument If I agree that PA hides its casualties but they cannot hide funerals from our free press .

Well they managed to do that, while your soldiers were dying in Kargil, and your army was claiming there are no Pakistani soldiers in Kargil.

Its our problem not yours.. Keep counting your troops dead bodies.. Our intention is very clear kashmir is belong to us, dont kill innocent kashmires or we will keep pounding you regardless how much bigger fire power you have we will never even afraid to nuke whole india in future

Casualties aren't a problem, because we know from our sources, that you are suffering twice as many.
Your smugness becomes a problem, because it is based on a lie, or rather not revealing all the facts.

It is similar to what happened in 1971. Towards the end, when you were on the verge of defeat in East. Your army was still claiming, that it's winning war. When the Pakistani army actually surrendered, a wave of anger broke out, all over Pakistan. Mob ended attacking Yahya Khan's house.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

@firestorm7777 abb to humse snipers khareed ly hindwany!!!!!!!

 

[Areesh]

W
Casualties aren't a problem, because we know from our sources, that you are suffering twice as many.
Your smugness becomes a problem, because it is based on a lie, or rather not revealing all the facts.

It is similar to what happened in 1971. Towards the end, when you were on the verge of defeat in East. Your army was still claiming, that it's winning war. When the Pakistani army actually surrendered, a wave of anger broke out, all over Pakistan. Mob ended attacking Yahya Khan's house.

Still not your problem. Try again

 

[Windjammer]

Well they managed to do that, while your soldiers were dying in Kargil, and your army was claiming there are no Pakistani soldiers in Kargil.



Casualties aren't a problem, because we know from our sources, that you are suffering twice as many.
Your smugness becomes a problem, because it is based on a lie, or rather not revealing all the facts.

It is similar to what happened in 1971. Towards the end, when you were on the verge of defeat in East. Your army was still claiming, that it's winning war. When the Pakistani army actually surrendered, a wave of anger broke out, all over Pakistan. Mob ended attacking Yahya Khan's house.

You are way out of line mate, if PA openly disclosed it's casualties while fighting the rag tags Talibans, why would it hide such when fighting an army four times it's size. Any soldier who dies is some ones son, brother or husband.
May i remind you that there have been cases of suicides amongst you soldiers which were covered up as victims of Pakistani sniper fire. In fact the deaths of your soldiers blamed on planted IED is said to be an own goal .
And since you people keep running back to Kargil and 1971, suffice to add that it took the IAF fifty years to finally admit to losing 35 aircraft in the so called preemptive strikes by the PAF in 1965, furthermore there is a big question mark over some of those you awarded in 1971.

https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/nation/story/20101227-hero-on-trial-745229-2010-12-18

 

[Men in Green]

Rest in P.

 

[Osiris]

You are way out of line mate, if PA openly disclosed it's casualties while fighting the rag tags Talibans, why would it hide such when fighting an army four times it's size. Any soldier who dies is some ones son, brother or husband.
May i remind you that there have been cases of suicides amongst you soldiers which were covered up as victims of Pakistani sniper fire. In fact the deaths of your soldiers blamed on planted IED is said to be an own goal .
And since you people keep running back to Kargil and 1971, suffice to add that it took the IAF fifty years to finally admit to losing 35 aircraft in the so called preemptive strikes by the PAF in 1965, furthermore there is a big question mark over some of those you awarded in 1971.

https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/nation/story/20101227-hero-on-trial-745229-2010-12-18

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Please explain, what does this mean.

“We have written to the GHQ for the details of our soldiers who have lost their lives serving along the LoC. However, the military authorities refused to share the details citing security concerns,” the state minister said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1337974

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1429091/armys-refusal-share-loc-casualty-stats-irks-rabbani/


That was your army's official response, on being questioned by the Parliament of your country.

 

[Areesh]

Please explain, what does this mean.

“We have written to the GHQ for the details of our soldiers who have lost their lives serving along the LoC. However, the military authorities refused to share the details citing security concerns,” the state minister said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1337974

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1429091/armys-refusal-share-loc-casualty-stats-irks-rabbani/


That was your army's official response, on being questioned by the Parliament of your country.

That means you should worry about your own soldiers who are continuously dying under the 56 inch chest regime

 

[Crystal-Clear]

Lol.
Your own general said that.
Page 187:

so you do believe what you ex generals said ?

Here let me try to knock some sense into you.

India, Pakistan trade heavy fire on Line of Control
http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2019/jan/15/india-pakistan-trade-heavy-fire-on-line-of-control-1925416.html

Confirmed, it was a Pakistani sniper kill.


Big_Breaking One More BSF Officer Killed In Pak. Sniper Fire

Nihatton ki bad dua lagi .