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A failing war
By Rami G. Khouri Published: October 2, 2008


CAIRO:

I was not surprised, during a visit to Egypt for a few days, to read the results of the latest BBC World Service global poll showing that in 22 out of 23 countries surveyed most people feel the U.S.-led "global war on terror" has not weakened Al Qaeda. On average, the poll showed, only 22 percent of respondents feel that Al Qaeda has been weakened, while three in five believe that the war on terror has had no effect (29 percent) or made Al Qaeda stronger (30 percent).

The poll surveyed 23,937 adults in 23 countries in July-September, and was conducted by pollsters GlobeScan with the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland.

In most of the countries surveyed, people had a negative view of Al Qaeda, except for two countries that are also very close allies of the United States: Egypt and Pakistan. In these two, those who have mixed or positive feelings toward Al Qaeda (Egypt 40 percent mixed and 20 percent positive; Pakistan 22 percent mixed and 19 percent positive) are nearly double those who view the group negatively (Egypt 35 percent; Pakistan 19 percent).


Two aspects of this are important and should get the attention of whoever becomes the next U.S. president. First, Egypt and Pakistan have been central suppliers of leaders, ideologists, foot soldiers and supporters for Al Qaeda and other terror groups in the past 20 years. Second, public sympathy for Al Qaeda and other movements like it persists in both countries, alongside enormous U.S. financial and military aid to their governments.

Something is very wrong if the U.S. and allies are spending hundreds of billions of dollars on a global war, but the main terror group targeted continues to operate, spawning allies, and in most parts of the world is seen either to be holding its own against the U.S. or is maintaining public support
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The poll has other troubling findings:

On average across all 23 countries, 10 percent think Al Qaeda is winning, 22 percent think the U.S. is winning, and 47 percent think neither side is winning.

In the U.S., just 34 percent believe Al Qaeda has been weakened. Fifty-nine percent believe the "war on terror" has either had no effect or has made Al Qaeda stronger, and 56 percent believe neither side is winning the conflict.

On average 61 percent of respondents had negative feelings about Al Qaeda, with just 8 percent positive and 18 percent mixed views.


Publics in some of the U.S.'s closest allies had the largest numbers perceiving that the war on terror has strengthened Al Qaeda, including France (48 percent), Mexico (48 percent), Italy (43 percent), Australia (41 percent) and the U.K. (40 percent).

What could explain the astounding reality that Al Qaeda (and other extremist movements like the Taliban) seem to be most firmly anchored in countries that are among the world's top recipients of U.S. economic aid?

Several possibilities come to mind:

Chromosomes. Perhaps Egyptians and Pakistanis are genetically predisposed to irrational and violent behavior. A graduate student in Alaska who is not fully occupied with monitoring Russia should probably get on this right away and launch a serious study.

Domestic politics. Perhaps Egyptians and Pakistanis have been so demeaned by their own autocratic political systems that some of them have embraced extremist views as a cathartic antidote to their degradation.

Resentment against the U.S. Perhaps many people think Al Qaeda is a bunch of despicable thugs, but they turn a blind eye to it because their daily lives are impacted more adversely by the destructive consequences of U.S. policies.

Domestic and foreign policy convergence. Perhaps many Egyptians and Pakistanis feel that U.S. support for their governments promotes dehumanizing conditions. When the U.S. is seen as fighting a specific foe, that foe - regardless of its own record - becomes a little less menacing in view of the enormity of people's disdain for the policies of Washington and their own governments.

Pakistan and Egypt are two stressed and distorted societies, with great human suffering, worsening socio-economic disparities, flawed governance systems, enormous U.S. support, and a legacy of spawning, supporting or acquiescing to Qaeda-like extremism. How those elements combine and relate to each other would seem worthy of deeper analysis than they seem to have enjoyed to date - from Alaska and Washington alike.


Rami G. Khouri is editor-at-large of The Daily Star and director of the Issam Fares Institute for Public Policy and International Affairs at the American University of Beirut.
 
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Mullah Mohammed Omar, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar & Jalaluddin Haqqani have taken up residency on the Pakistani side of the border.

Crap - Usual Propaganda tactics and nothing else. NATO and US is attacking FATA since long and all they kill is 10% militants and 90% civilians? Is that the best proportion US and NATO can come up with?

Now US and NATO are loosing in Afghanistan that's why like a potentially defeated party they want "peace talks" with Afghan Taliban. But on the other hand US and NATO want to blame Pakistan for all their failures but most people understand. Elections are coming up on Nov 4 and Bush has already failed at economic front. Now he will try hard to "produce a prominent wanted figure" before Nov 4 from FATA. There remains a possibility that the said "to be produced figure" is still arrested some where in Afghanistan.

Situation in Afghanistan is going to get worst and chances of it coming to normal in the presence of NATO and US there are bleak.
 
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How long do you expect present (non-democratic) govt. of Northern Alliance to last in Kabul? Why Pashtoons does not hold ministeries, despite the fact that Afghanistan belongs only to them?

President:
Hamid Karzai. (Pashtun)

Vice Presidents:
Haji Abdul Qadeer (Pashtun)

Main Cabinet Posts:
Taj Mohammad Khan Wardak. Minister of Interior. Pashtun.
Ashraf Ghani. Minister of Economy and Finance. Pashtun.
Masoum Stanakzai. Minister of Communications. Pashtun.
Suheila Siddiq. Minister of Health. Pashtun woman.
Mohammed Amin Farhang. Minister of Reconstruction. Pashtun.
Abdul Qadir. Minister of Public Works. Pashtun. Also Vice President.

Other Cabinet Posts:
Arif Noorzai. Minister of Frontier Areas. Pashtun.
Juma Mohammad Mohammedi. Mines and Heavy Industry. Pashtun.
Mohammed Amin Nasiryar. Minister for Haj and Mosques. Pashtun.
Mohammed Yousuf Pashtun. Minister for Urban Affairs. Pashtun.
Abdullah Wardak. Minister of Martyrs and Disabled. Pashtun.
Hanif Atmar. Minister for Rural Development. Pashtun.



Your concerns reguarding Democracy are shared concerns, none though should wish for and long for failure:

NATO Review - Afghanistan (part 1) : the Issues - The future of democracy and development in Afghanistan

Although the final dates are yet to be determined 2009 will see the next presidential elections in Afghanistan and 2010, the parliamentary elections.
 
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October 03, 2008 12:00am

BRITAIN'S ambassador to Afghanistan believes the US-led coalition there is destined to fail, it has been reported.

Sir Sherard Cowper-Coles is said to have claimed the situation was getting worse, that the "corrupt" Afghan government had lost the people's trust and the coalition's presence was "part of the problem, not the solution".

He was also quoted as saying the coalition should start preparing public opinion to accept the only realistic solution: rule by an acceptable dictator.

The comments, exposed in a leaked French diplomatic memo, were apparently made during a meeting early last month with the French deputy ambassador in Kabul.

Sir Sherard, 53, could not be contacted for comment.

Foreign Office insiders suggested the comments may have been exaggerated, and particularly took issue with the supposed comments about an "acceptable dictator", insisting they were never made.

The general who commands NATO forces in Afghanistan has called for enlisting tribes to help pacify the country, and has not ruled out reconciliation with ousted Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar.

General David McKiernan said reconciliation efforts should be led by the Afghan Government, but the military would support it. Asked if dealing with the man who harboured al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden was beyond the pale, he said: "I think that's a political decision."

"Ultimately, the solution in Afghanistan is going to be a political solution not a military solution," he said.

"We're not going to run out of bad guys there."

President Karzai has asked Saudi King Abdullah to arrange talks with the Taliban so Omar and other militia leaders could return home in peace.

Yesterday, the United Nations Secretary-General said in a new report that the security situation in Afghanistan had deteriorated markedly over the past six months.

Ban Ki-moon also expressed dismay that attacks against aid workers had increased in 2008. "Nevertheless, I strongly believe that the negative trend can be reversed," he said.

The report noted that the number of UN-recorded security-related incidents rose to 983 in August -- the highest monthly total since the Taliban's ouster in late 2001.

More than 4600 people, many of them militants, have been killed in 2008.

French NATO troops opened fire on a minibus filled with Afghan civilians, wounding four, near Kabul yesterday.

The minibus cut in between two NATO vehicles, said police chief General Mohammad Ayub Salangi, and the troops opened fire.
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Crap - Usual Propaganda tactics and nothing else. NATO and US is attacking FATA since long and all they kill is 10% militants and 90% civilians? Is that the best proportion US and NATO can come up with?

Taliban fighters confronted Iqbal Ahmed Khan, the brother of Waqar Khan, a member of the provincial assembly. The fighters ordered Mr. Khan, who was with two of his sons, to choose the son he wanted killed, said the president of the Awami National Party, Senator Asfandyar Wali.

After Mr. Khan was humiliated into choosing one son, the Taliban killed both boys, Mr. Khan and seven servants, Mr. Wali said.

Who attacks whom in FATA?
 
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Taken this Monday.

Mullah Mohammed Omar, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar & Jalaluddin Haqqani have taken up residency on the Pakistani side of the border.

This situation is going to get worse before it gets better.

:lol: They are in Afghanistan and just few days back Karzai and NATO commander have offered them role in the government as well as taking them onboard.
 
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Taliban fighters confronted Iqbal Ahmed Khan, the brother of Waqar Khan, a member of the provincial assembly. The fighters ordered Mr. Khan, who was with two of his sons, to choose the son he wanted killed, said the president of the Awami National Party, Senator Asfandyar Wali.

After Mr. Khan was humiliated into choosing one son, the Taliban killed both boys, Mr. Khan and seven servants, Mr. Wali said.

Who attacks whom in FATA?

The proxy Taliban not the Taliban.

Takfiri proxy Taliban funded and patronised by CIA/US are killing locals in FATA.
 
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Taliban fighters confronted Iqbal Ahmed Khan, the brother of Waqar Khan, a member of the provincial assembly. The fighters ordered Mr. Khan, who was with two of his sons, to choose the son he wanted killed, said the president of the Awami National Party, Senator Asfandyar Wali.

After Mr. Khan was humiliated into choosing one son, the Taliban killed both boys, Mr. Khan and seven servants, Mr. Wali said.

Who attacks whom in FATA?

There is no doubt that TTP is creating chaos and killing innocent civilians not only in FATA but also aims to do that in Pakistan with the help of anti-Pakistan elements across the border. But your reply didn't answer my question, did it?

US and NATO are part of the problem not solution in FATA and Afghanistan because they lack "precision" in strikes contrary to their claims and the reason for that is they lack "human intelligence" in FATA.
 
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:lol: They are in Afghanistan and just few days back Karzai and NATO commander have offered them role in the government as well as taking them onboard.

It is also may be recalled that over 20 people were killed in an attack carried out recently at the residence and seminary of Afghan Taliban Commander Jalal Uddin Haqqani in Dandy Derpakhel, North Waziristan.

I am well aware that people say they reside one place or another depending on what message they wish to put forward.
 
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There is no doubt that TTP is creating chaos and killing innocent civilians not only in FATA but also aims to do that in Pakistan with the help of anti-Pakistan elements across the border. But your reply didn't answer my question, did it?

US and NATO are part of the problem not solution in FATA and Afghanistan because they lack "precision" in strikes contrary to their claims and the reason for that is they lack "human intelligence" in FATA.

Apologies, but the wholely flawed 10% : 90% assertion you made warranted no direct response.

Beyond that though, if you take the popularist conspiracy theory just provided above on face value, it appears we're running the entire show.

US and NATO are in fact completely part of the solution.
 
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Beyond that though, if you take the popularist conspiracy theory just provided above on face value, it appears we're running the entire show.

Well TTP and Afghan Taliban are different and it has been reported by Asia Times recently as well. US and NATO give "life" to this "conspiracy theory" when they "don't" bomb Baitullah Mahsud hideouts in FATA inspite of the fact when PA even provides them coordinates.

It is now "not" important who is running the entire "show" as it is quite obvious. What matters is who is "desperate" to quit this show.

US and NATO are in fact completely part of the solution.

Well that's what you will say, your choice I respect but disagree.
 
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It is also may be recalled that over 20 people were killed in an attack carried out recently at the residence and seminary of Afghan Taliban Commander Jalal Uddin Haqqani in Dandy Derpakhel, North Waziristan.

I am well aware that people say they reside one place or another depending on what message they wish to put forward.

They also bombed madrassas in the past where they only killed innocent civilians.

They also attacked wedding parties in Afghanistan, they also attacked other such social gatherings many times wherein they killed hunderds of innocent women and childern not only in Pakistan but also Afghanistan.

The madrassa you are talking about was once set up by CIA.

Its another thing when people start speaking about terrorims they forget to mentioned the main player behind creation of this monster in the first place.
 
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Well TTP and Afghan Taliban are different and it has been reported by Asia Times recently as well. US and NATO give "life" to this "conspiracy theory" when they "don't" bomb Baitullah Mahsud hideouts in FATA inspite of the fact when PA even provides them coordinates.

Doesn't it strike you as odd that if there was complete veracity to this claim, and that Pakistan's military command and liaison had precision coordinates that they didn't conduct a strike themselves or operate in any other manner to remove their target?

Are we completely confident on the sources sowing the seeds of such doubts?
 
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The madrassa you are talking about was once set up by CIA.

Interesting position. We were labouring under the notion that combined CIA, ISI and Saudi intelligence cooperated and that the CIA funnelled money directly to the ISI for distribution and it was they themselves having more authority and direct, relevant control and power projection the region who helped to construct such infrastructures over the course of several decades.

Do you know when that mission brief ceased?
 
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