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is UK planning to produce F-35s under license or directly procure from US?

Mostly built in the U.S but with Britain as a tier 1 partner, since we were the first country to initiate the project with the U.S and to start testing th first prototypes.

British companies are also heavily involved. Plus we have the biggest workshare/input into this fighter more than any country bar the U.S itself. For example the B-variant’s lifting system, centred around a large fan in the middle of the airframe, is being built by Rolls-Royce and BAE Systems designed, tested, and will build the tail parts of the aircraft – as well as wing-tips for the F-35C and nozzle-bay doors for the B. To sum things up, altogether some 500 UK companies are involved in the programme, building over 15-20% of each F35 produced. Plus BAE claims that it will support over 25,000 British jobs over the next 25 years. WIN - WIN cooperation.:cheers:

Mate, never mind the paint; after the SDSR '10, just count yourself lucky they didn't sell that post at the flea market!
Remember the Nimrod? grrrrr Bloody politicos

Good evening all, Tay.

ahahahahhahahaha.........:lol: That made me laugh, but you are right mon frere.:enjoy:
 
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@Bundeswehr , Brothers in arms against any enemy.:cheers:

NATO Exercise Dragon in Poland , October 2015

A training exercise involving more than 900 British forces alongside Nato allies Germany and Canada in Poland will have been noted by Russia and will have given reassurance to the host nation, the commanding officer has said. 16 October 2015

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Soldiers from Kings Royal Hussars are shown around the turret of the Polish German made Leopard 2 main battle tank.
The Army moved its Lead Armoured Battle Group across Europe to join Exercise Dragon 15 on the plains of North East Poland, 60 miles from the border with the Russian state of Kaliningrad Oblast.

By road, sea and rail, it sent trucks, troops and tanks to join 6,000 Poles, Germans and Canadians on the seven week training exercise, which looked at improving the way the allies worked together.


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British soldiers in poland for training with NATO allies:
A highlight was the demonstration for visiting dignitaries of the fire power available to the allies.

On the dusty Orzysz ranges, armoured vehicles from the UK, Poland and Germany loosed off rockets and shells in a simulated attack, with red tracer fire ripping through the chill north east wind.
British troops fired two Javelin anti-tank missiles, at £100,000 each, in the demo which was keenly reported by the Polish media.

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Brtians Challenger Battle tank II one of the worlds most advanced battle tank in Poland for training with other Nato members:
Challenger II tanks also took part in the demonstration, moving at speed over the rough terrain to their firing positions.

Afterwards, Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Garner, Commanding Officer of the First Battalion, The Yorkshire Regiment, said Exercise Dragon 15 was designed to reassure Nato members.
Asked if he thought the Russians will have taken note of the exercise, he said: "I think our proximity to the Russian border will be noticed, but I think the exercise is really all about exercising closely with our Nato allies and the assurance that that brings, especially to our Polish allies - obviously for them, the threat is very real and credible.
"I think it shows the UK is committed to Nato.
"It shows with our high readiness forces, now, we can deploy readily around the world at short notice."

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German and British Army officers discuss battle plans on Orzysz Training Area, Poland on NATO Exercise 'Dragon' on 10th October 2015. Photo: Cpl Max Bryan;
Exercise Dragon 15 involved a high degree of planning and logistics to allow the battle group to sustain itself with equipment, food and fuel over almost two months, often in sub-zero conditions. Many of the troops slept under makeshift cover next to their vehicles.

The first phase of the exercise took place on the other side of the country, before switching to North East Poland.
It involved 350 British Army vehicles, around 135 of which were armoured.

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German Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen speaks with German soldiersduring NATO military exercises in Poland as a deterrent against Russia.
Earlier this month Defence Secretary Michael Fallon announced Britain was to station troops in the Baltic states amid growing tension with Russia in the wake of President Vladimir Putin's military intervention in Syria.
The deployment of a company size detachment - numbering around 100 personnel - was part of a "more persistent presence" by Nato forces in eastern Europe, Mr Fallon said.

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video Members of the First Battalion the Yorkshire Regiment pose on their armoured vehicles during Exercise Dragon in Poland 16 October 2015


Brothers in arms, together lets protect our allies and interests.
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@Bundeswehr , Brothers in arms against any enemy.:cheers:

NATO Exercise Dragon in Poland , October 2015
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A training exercise involving more than 900 British forces alongside Nato allies Germany and Canada in Poland will have been noted by Russia and will have given reassurance to the host nation, the commanding officer has said. 16 October 2015

1Div-2014-091-2350_integration_600_wide.jpg

Soldiers from Kings Royal Hussars are shown around the turret of the Polish German made Leopard 2 main battle tank.
The Army moved its Lead Armoured Battle Group across Europe to join Exercise Dragon 15 on the plains of North East Poland, 60 miles from the border with the Russian state of Kaliningrad Oblast.

By road, sea and rail, it sent trucks, troops and tanks to join 6,000 Poles, Germans and Canadians on the seven week training exercise, which looked at improving the way the allies worked together.


993494_10154670861485615_8083109015996925847_n.jpg

British soldiers in poland for training with NATO allies:
A highlight was the demonstration for visiting dignitaries of the fire power available to the allies.

On the dusty Orzysz ranges, armoured vehicles from the UK, Poland and Germany loosed off rockets and shells in a simulated attack, with red tracer fire ripping through the chill north east wind.
British troops fired two Javelin anti-tank missiles, at £100,000 each, in the demo which was keenly reported by the Polish media.

british-army.jpg

Brtians Challenger Battle tank II one of the worlds most advanced battle tank in Poland for training with other Nato members:
Challenger II tanks also took part in the demonstration, moving at speed over the rough terrain to their firing positions.

Afterwards, Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Garner, Commanding Officer of the First Battalion, The Yorkshire Regiment, said Exercise Dragon 15 was designed to reassure Nato members.
Asked if he thought the Russians will have taken note of the exercise, he said: "I think our proximity to the Russian border will be noticed, but I think the exercise is really all about exercising closely with our Nato allies and the assurance that that brings, especially to our Polish allies - obviously for them, the threat is very real and credible.
"I think it shows the UK is committed to Nato.
"It shows with our high readiness forces, now, we can deploy readily around the world at short notice."

yaMqRtz.jpg

German and British Army officers discuss battle plans on Orzysz Training Area, Poland on NATO Exercise 'Dragon' on 10th October 2015. Photo: Cpl Max Bryan;
Exercise Dragon 15 involved a high degree of planning and logistics to allow the battle group to sustain itself with equipment, food and fuel over almost two months, often in sub-zero conditions. Many of the troops slept under makeshift cover next to their vehicles.

The first phase of the exercise took place on the other side of the country, before switching to North East Poland.
It involved 350 British Army vehicles, around 135 of which were armoured.

00024d90_medium.jpeg

German Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen speaks with German soldiersduring NATO military exercises in Poland as a deterrent against Russia.
Earlier this month Defence Secretary Michael Fallon announced Britain was to station troops in the Baltic states amid growing tension with Russia in the wake of President Vladimir Putin's military intervention in Syria.
The deployment of a company size detachment - numbering around 100 personnel - was part of a "more persistent presence" by Nato forces in eastern Europe, Mr Fallon said.

british-troops-join-nato-training-exercise-in-poland-136401127052303901-151017171007.jpg

video Members of the First Battalion the Yorkshire Regiment pose on their armoured vehicles during Exercise Dragon in Poland 16 October 2015


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Indeed brothers training to help one another in battlefield :)
 
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What are you on about? I know that as a pakistani you will like to obviously have China as an ally since itsPakistan main backer/supporter. So its normal, if i was pakistani i will feel the same.

However you can't apply that to us, since our reltions with China are more business oriented, not strategic/political/military. Our relations with the U.S is farrrr more deeper than you can ever imagine. We share so many things together that i dont even know where to start from.

So without going into too uch details(since this thread is about our armed forces), i will just ask you one question:In case there's a conflict at Europe gates like the one in Ukraine by an aggressive power like Russia, Who do you think will come to the help of eastern European/scandinavian countries aganst such a big threat? lol Yes that will be the U.K and U.S together not China, since China has more than enough on its plate with SCS disputes and U.S dominance of its shores. So as you can see we have far more common interests with the U.S than China, but that doesn't means we won't have friendly relations with China. Afterall, why make an enemy of a country who posses no threat to you meanwhile you can be friends/buddies?:cheers:

yes I was implying from Pakistani point of views about papa sam as the relation is never been good and honestly it is becoming a nuisance. you are implying on military alliance yes Britain and papa sam are going to be together but I was hinting at you already mentioned in your post about trade. i was listing to BBC news on the radio and it mentioned in the report about this will not affect relations with US. Diplomacy from US may not be to reluctant for Britain and China to be too cosy. But to grow the economy China is a vital for trade.
 
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Let's take another look at our boys, yes the world renowned special air services popularly known as the SAS.

In Syria

In this picture released by the british MOD:US Special Forces and British SAS Form Hunter Killer Unit “Task Force Black” to go after and “Smash The Islamic State in Syria. Yes our boys teach them who is the boss.:smokin:



Special Air Service is one of the best Special Forces in UK. The Special Air Service was born in the African desert during World War 2 and has since carried out many operations and has served as a model for Special Forces around the world. It was reformed as part of the Territorial Army in 1947, and named the 21st Battalion, SAS Regiment. The Regular Army 22 SAS gained worldwide fame and recognition after successfully attacking the Iranian Embassy in London and rescuing hostages during the 1980 Iranian Embassy siege. It currently comprises one regular regiment and two territorial regiments. It's primary tasks are counter-terrorism in peacetime and special operations in wartime.

North African front. WWII Special Forces – British Special Air Service

Only the best of the best need apply for the Special Air Service. The selection process is one of the toughest in any military worldwide and the vast majority of candidates fail it.The SAS are constantly training - learning new techniques and honing existing ones.

British forces in Nigeria in fight against islamist terror group Boko Haram. The Nigerian army in conjunction with the British Military Advisory and Training Team has been brainstorming on ways to bring an end to islamic terrorist group Boko Haram in Northern Nigeria.
A typical SAS patrol is just 4 men, each expert in at least one specialized skill and proficient in several others.One Sabre Squadron is responsible for counter-terrorism duties, with a team on a constant state of alert. The 4 squadrons rotate through this role on a 6 monthly basis.

SAS In Libya: According to AFP British and French special forces were working with Libyan rebels on the eastern front, where the insurgents scored strategic blows against Moamer Kadhafi's forces working out of a large office with walls covered in maps and satellite photos. They were crucial in helping the rebels advanced towards Tripoli.

Intelligence Gathering:Sneaking into enemy territory to gather intelligence about troop strengths and movements is not as glamorous as leaping across embassy balconies but it is the bread and butter of special operations work. SAS recon teams must be able to remain hidden under the nose of the enemy for days on end, lurking concealed in dug out hides and on so-called 'hard routine' (no talking, no smoking, cooking etc). The Regiment trained to do this against the Russians but the techniques were used to great success in the barren hills of the Falklands and the hedgerows of Northern Ireland.

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Forward Air Control: With the emphasis on air power in modern warfare comes a need for skilled forward air controllers : men on the ground calling in air strikes. In any S.A.S. team there's likely to be one trooper specially trained to communicate with attack aircraft and guide them in for a strike. Sometimes a laser designator will be used to 'paint' the target; other times the attack aircraft will be guided in verbally. The S.A.S. called in air strikes against Scud launchers during the 1991Gulf War, against Serbian tanks in Bosnia in the 90s and against Taliban positions in the mountains of Afghanistan in 2001

In sierra leaone west Africa; How the British Army and the SAS helped end the civil war in Sierra Leone

Target Attacks - Behind The Lines Sabotage:The Special Air Service regiment began its life in World War 2, carrying out daring sabotage missions behind German lines, first in North Africa and then in the European theatre. The modern day S.A.S. keeps up the tradition and are experts at infiltration deep into enemy territory, destroying fuel dumps,communication lines, bridges and railway lines.
 
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In Ukraine: Lieutenant-General Mark Poffley chief of the General Staff for the British Army,talks with Ukrainian Army Col. Ihor Lipko, as British special forces help train/advice Ukrainian soldiers fghting Russian back rebels and Russian speical(Spetznav) forces in Eastern Ukraine.

Training Foreign Militaries:
Over the years, the Special Air Service has shared their expertise with friendly nations, training their own special forces and bodyguards in the dark arts. Known as 'team jobs' within the S.A.S., the UK government gets both political and financial benefits from such arrangements due in part to the reputation of the regiment.

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Close Protection: The Regiment are masters at close protection duties (CP) - body guarding to the layman - having developed many of the protocols themselves. VIP protection is the responsibility of the Counter Revolutionary War (CWR) wing. Nowadays much of UK Military CP work is being done by specialised military police units.
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SAS Weapons:The Special Air Service has access to a wider range of weapons than the average UK squaddie
264 (SAS) Signals Squadron: The 22nd Special Air Service are provided with communications and SIGINT support by 264 (SAS) Squadron of the Royal Corps of Signals.
 
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Can British give some of their Old Equipment to: Sindh Rangers - Pakistan Coast Guards?
 
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Can British give some of their Old Equipment to: Sindh Rangers - Pakistan Coast Guards?
Britain has been collaborating with Pakistani forces against islamic terror groups in Pkaistan and Afghanistan as well bro. So i think maybe we might give some of our old equipments to Pakistan when we exit Afghanistan like the U.S did. Afterall, its cheaper than carrying it all the way here which serves no real purpose.
Pakistan, UK agree to enhance anti-terror cooperation: interior ministry - The Express Tribune
Pak-UK to continue cooperation in war against terrorism: Malik - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
 
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Afterall, its cheaper than carrying it all the way here which serves no real purpose.

Agreed especially as it has happened since under colonial rule breakdown, Great-Britain & France
often donating used gear instead of lugging it back home over thousands of kliks.
Sure it's never brand new equipment but that matters very little. A country receiving these will have
to restore life potential to these materials it usually did not even own prior. Ideally, that nation will also
adapt those, say vehicles, to its local, geo-cultural-tactical uses and ways.

This brings a new chain or line of basic to mid-tech shops that repair and produce replacement parts.
As long as that is made up of hitherto unskilled or unemployed people and not off the existing pool, it
is a net gain in industrial power, more than just weaponry.
If the receiving land works hard and willfully, in some cases, they'll even learn enough to build their own
replacement equipment from the knowledge gained. Apart from inventors, that's pretty much how you
build an industrial network.

Good day all, Tay.
 
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ROYAL NAVY'S ATLANTIC PATROL TASKING NORTH

HMS Dauntless on its routine patrol in north Atlantic ocean(February 2014)
The Royal Navy has a near constant presence in the Caribbean and the North Atlantic. We send RN or RFA vessels to this region to act as a deterrent to drug smugglers. The Navy has been involved in countless counter-narcotic operations over the years, preventing millions of pounds worth of drugs reaching UK shores. The RN is part of the ongoing battle to prevent illegal substances reaching the UK and while a ship can only be in one place at any one time, news of the presence of a RN ship in the region will make traffickers think twice before attempting a drug run.

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Royal navy Naval support ship Wave Knight provided vital back-up to the US Coast Guard as they boarded a suspect speedboat, British sailors helped seize a cocaine haul worth £8.5 million in the Caribbean Sea
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HMS Ocean, the Royal Navy's dedicated helicopter carrier, during Exercise Cold Response in Norway, 2010
The RFA is a flotilla of 13 naval support ships that delivers afloat support to UK and Allied armed forces around the world.The Royal Navy (RN) can affect what happens in the UK from many miles away. For most of the year there is a Royal Navy or Royal Fleet Auxiliary ship on patrol in the Caribbean.


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Drug trafficking is a major problem in this part of the world. Over the years RN ships have seized narcotics that would have a street value running into the hundreds of million of pound. If they were able to reach UK shores that is.


Royal navy's Astute Class frequently patrols the South Atlantic ocean and falkland islands as a deterent against Argentina.
A patrol ship in this part of the word also serves to preserve and strengthen bonds with our allies. A RN ship will conduct many exercises with foreign navy vessels such as the Dutch, French and Americans. The RN place critical importance in being able to fight effectively with the navies of other nations.


HMS Bulkwalk patroling North Atlantic ocean.

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Tensions threatening Britain’s interests can arise anywhere. Which is why the Royal Navy makes the most of our freedom to deploy globally. This allows us to curb destabilising behaviour and keep a watchful eye on areas key to the UK economy.

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Nearly half of all our food and energy is imported and 95% of trade reaches our shores by sea. By protecting critical shipping lanes the Royal Navy safeguards billions of pounds in revenue. UK-based shipping contributes £10 billion a year to GDP.
 
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In support of wider British efforts in the region, minehunters are providing the capability to conduct route survey, sea-bed clearance, and mine clearance operations all over the Gulf. The operation also aims to provide a visible naval presence in a region where stability and good relations with local nations is vital. Much of the UK’s oil and gas, as well as other products, come from the Gulf region and as such these efforts are of vital importance to our economy and lifestyle.

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Keeping the high seas safe to be lawfully used is a full-time international effort. The Royal Navy works with NATO and other allied nations on security operations and exercises all around the world, including the Gulf and off the Horn of Africa.
 
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Royal Navy constant/routine patrol tasking in South Atlantic led by HMS CLYDE, not far from the falkland islands. South Georgia(British overseas territories. Location.
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HMS Clyde: Aboard, aside from her 40 or so sailors, were two bomb-disposal experts to deal with unexploded ordnance found on the island over the summer and a structural engineer to assess the state of the derelict whaling station at Grytviken.

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As part of her deterrence role she also regularly visits other British Overseas Territories in the area such as South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands.
Once at King Edward Point, and with her passengers at work ashore, the sailors began to sample South Georgia’s stunning wildlife.A small team hiked the couple of miles over the mountains to Maiviken and ‘Puppy Lake’ – so called because of the abundance of young penguins and seals found there.

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Clyde has been patrolling around the South Atlantic islands since 2007 with her crew changing roughly every six months – trading places with sailors on fishery protection ships operating around the UK.

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Some Clyde sailors hosted scientists aboard their ship, while others were guests of the ‘locals’ ashore.
“After coming to this island the natural, rugged beauty never fails to amaze me – no matter what season,” said Warrant Officer Taff Summers, the ship’s deputy marine engineer officer. “The governor made everyone feel that they were part of a large family as we enjoyed the some of the local delicacies freshly prepared by his wife.”


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HMS Clyde also patrols the territorial seas and monitors the airspace around the Falkland Islands whilst conducting routine visits and reassurance to the many small settlements found throughout the islands.

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The ship’s visit also allowed her to carry seven staff back from South Georgia to the Falklands – the team at King Edward Point spend anywhere between 16 and 24 months at a time there – as well as seven sacks of mail.
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Iceberg dead ahead.
The Royal navy is always on Alert ready to serve,fight and deploy globally for the interests of the Nation'. Royal navy sailor James wright
 
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