Britain is No Longer a Major Military Power

[EgyptianAmerican]

Some people in Poland hate immigrants. Not "a lot".

"Some"

What a BS. If you are Egyptian then you are self hating Egyptian brainwashed by US propaganda.

I am not a "self-hating" Egyptian, I love my country and my homeland. I have no problem with acknowledging our dark past. It is better to confront and acknowledge what horrible things our ancestors did in the past and move on.

"The Arab trade of Zanj (Bantu) slaves in Southeast Africa is one of the oldest slave trades, predating the European transatlantic slave trade by 700 years."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

Nonetheless Britain is a power to be feared and respected. No matter how small their army looks compared to China or Russia.

 

[Penguin]

It’s not just using “pole” instead of “Pole”. One English member here even said that he hate most Poles and called us “bloody leeches".

Then you should use the report button and let forum management deal with it.

Last year several English teen thugs beaten to death Arkadiusz Jóźwik in Essex. It was a hate crime. He was killed because he was speaking in Polish. There were many more such hate crimes. English haters do not target the Dutch. They target Polish people.

You have morons like that in any country (but you don't blame all that country's people for it). I'm quite sure, if there were a lot of Dutch coming to work in the UK, these a-holes would just as soon do the same to a Dutchman.

No country committed such heinous atrocities like England. They committed ethnic cleansing in North America and Australia. They were engaged in slave trade and drug trade.

I'm so glad you are not looking into my country's historic record......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_Indies#Dutch_conquests
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aceh_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_West_India_Company
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Slave_Coast
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_Antilles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suriname#Colonial_period
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery#Netherlands

German government doesn’t honor Hitler, while English government still honor Churchill (Churchill killed millions of innocent civilians)

Yeah, well, .... it's a bit less one sided a story, possibly.

There has been debate over Churchill's alleged culpability in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Indians during the Bengal famine of 1943 where London ate India’s bread while India starved, some commentators point to the disruption of the traditional marketing system and maladministration at the provincial level as a cause with Churchill saying that the famine was the Indians own fault for “breeding like rabbits".
Arthur Herman, author of Churchill and Gandhi, contends, 'The real cause was the fall of Burma to the Japanese, which cut off India's main supply of rice imports when domestic sources fell short ... [though] it is true that Churchill opposed diverting food supplies and transports from other theatres to India to cover the shortfall: this was wartime.' In response to an urgent request by the Secretary of State for India (Leo Amery) and Viceroy of India (Wavell), to release food stocks for India, Churchill responded with a telegram to Wavell asking, if food was so scarce, "why Gandhi hadn't died yet".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill#Indian_independence

Bengal's economy was predominantly agrarian. For at least a decade before the crisis, between half and three fourths of those dependent on agriculture were already at near subsistence level. Underlying causes of the famine included inefficient agricultural practices, population and de-peasantisation through usury and land grabbing. Proximate causes comprise localised natural disasters (a cyclone, storm surges and flooding, and rice crop disease) and at least five consequences of war: initial, general war-time inflation of both demand-pull and monetary origin; loss of rice imports due to the Japanese occupation of Burma (modern Myanmar); near-total disruption of Bengal's market supplies and transport systems by the preemptive, defensive scorched earth tactics of the Raj (the "denial policies" for rice and boats); and later, massive inflation brought on by repeated policy failures, war profiteering, speculation, and perhaps hoarding. Finally, the government prioritised military and defense needs over those of the rural poor, allocating medical care and food immensely in the favour of the military, labourers in military industries, and civil servants. All of these factors were further compounded by restricted access to grain: domestic sources were constrained by emergency inter-provincial trade barriers, while access to international sources was largely denied by the War Cabinet of Great Britain. The relative impact of each of these contributing factors to the death toll and economic devastation is still a matter of controversy. Different analyses frame the famine against natural, economic, or political causes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943#Debate_over_primary_cause.28s.29

In 2011 (just 6 years ago) England invaded Libya. Before invasion Libya has had the highest standard of living in Africa. Now Libya is a mess. There is no much difference between terrorist queen Victoria, terrorist Churchill or terrorist Tony Blair. So stop talking about eternity. England committs crimes as we speak.

After the Arab Spring movements overturned the rulers of Tunisia and Egypt, Libya experienced a full-scale revolt beginning on 17 February 2011.

England invaded Libya in 2011? England+Wales+Scotland=Great Britain. Great Britain + Northern Ireland = United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland aka the UK

After the Arab Spring movements overturned the rulers of Tunisia and Egypt, Libya experienced a full-scale revolt beginning on 17 February 2011. Libya's authoritarian regime led by Muammar Gaddafi put up much more of a resistance compared to the regimes in Egypt and Tunisia. The first announcement of a competing political authority appeared online and declared the Interim Transitional National Council as an alternative government. By 20 February, the unrest had spread to Tripoli. On 27 February 2011, the National Transitional Council was established to administer the areas of Libya under rebel control. On 10 March 2011, France became the first state to officially recognise the council as the legitimate representative of the Libyan people.
Pro-Gaddaffi forces were able to respond militarily to rebel pushes in Western Libya and launched a counterattack along the coast toward Benghazi, the de facto centre of the uprising. The town of Zawiya, 48 kilometres (30 mi) from Tripoli, was bombarded by air force planes and army tanks and seized by Jamahiriya troops, "exercising a level of brutality not yet seen in the conflict."
Organizations of the United Nations, including United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and the United Nations Human Rights Council, condemned the crackdown as violating international law, with the latter body expelling Libya outright in an unprecedented action urged by Libya's own delegation to the UN.
On 17 March 2011 the UN Security Council passed Resolution 1973, with a 10–0 vote and five abstentions including Russia, China, India, Brazil and Germany. The resolution sanctioned the establishment of a no-fly zone and the use of "all means necessary" to protect civilians within Libya. On 19 March, the first act of NATO allies to secure the no-fly zone by destroying Libyan air defences began when French military jets entered Libyan airspace on a reconnaissance mission heralding attacks on enemy targets.
In the weeks that followed, American forces were in the forefront of NATO operations against Libya. More than 8,000 American personnel in warships and aircraft were deployed in the area. At least 3,000 targets were struck in 14,202 strike sorties, 716 of them in Tripoli and 492 in Brega. The American air offensive included flights of B-2 Stealth bombers, each bomber armed with sixteen 2000-pound bombs, flying out of and returning to their base in Missouri on the continental United States. The support provided by the NATO airforces contributed to the ultimate success of the revolution.
By 22 August 2011, rebel fighters had entered Tripoli and occupied Green Square, which they renamed Martyrs' Square in honour of those killed since 17 February 2011. On 20 October 2011 the last heavy fighting of the uprising came to an end in the city of Sirte, where Gaddafi was captured and killed. The defeat of loyalist forces was celebrated on 23 October 2011, three days after the fall of Sirte. At least 30,000 Libyans died in the civil war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya#2011_Civil_War
Enforcing UNSC Resolution 1973:NATO. NATO members: Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Denmark, France, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Romania, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States

Foreign military intervention
The Royal Canadian Navy frigate HMCS Charlottetown was deployed to the Mediterranean off the coast of Libya on 2 March 2011, but did not take immediate action once arrived. Seventeen days later, a multi-state coalition began a military intervention in Libya to implement United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973, which was taken in response to events then occurring during the conflict. That same day, military operations began, with US forces and one British submarine firing cruise missiles. the Royal Canadian Air Force, French Air Force, United States Air Force, and British Royal Air Force undertaking sorties across Libya and a naval blockade by the Royal Navy.
From the beginning of the intervention, the coalition of Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Italy, Norway, Qatar, Spain, UK and US expanded to 17 states. Newer states mostly enforced the no-fly zone and naval blockade or provided military logistical assistance. The effort was initially largely led by the United States. NATO took control of the arms embargo on 23 March, named Operation Unified Protector. An attempt to unify the military command of the air campaign (while keeping political and strategic control with a small group), first failed due to objections by the French, German, and Turkish governments. On 24 March, NATO agreed to take control of the no-fly zone, while command of targeting ground units remained with coalition forces.
In May 2011, when Gaddafi's forces were still fighting, and the end result of the civil war was still uncertain, Putin and Dmitri Medvedev's Russian government recognized the National Transitional Council (NTC) of Libya as a legitimate dialogue partner. On 9 June 2011,some negotiators from NTC arrived in Beijing to have negotiations with the Chinese government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Civil_War_(2011)#Foreign_military_intervention
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya

Yeah, England totally invaded Libya in 2011....

The Libyan economy depends primarily upon revenues from the oil sector, which accounts for 80% of GDP and 97% of exports. Libya holds the largest proven oil reserves in Africa and is an important contributor to the global supply of light, sweet crude. Apart from petroleum, the other natural resources are natural gas and gypsum. The International Monetary Fund estimated Libya's real GDP growth at 122% in 2012 and 16.7% in 2013, after a 60% plunge in 2011.
The World Bank defines Libya as an 'Upper Middle Income Economy', along with only seven other African countries. Substantial revenues from the energy sector, coupled with a small population, give Libya one of the highest per capita GDPs in Africa. This allowed the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya state to provide an extensive level of social security, particularly in the fields of housing and education.
Libya faces many structural problems including a lack of institutions, weak governance, and chronic structural unemployment. The economy displays a lack of economic diversification and significant reliance on immigrant labour. Libya has traditionally relied on unsustainably high levels of public sector hiring to create employment. In the mid-2000s, the government employed about 70% of all national employees.
Unemployment has risen from 8% in 2008 to 21%, according to the latest census figures. According to an Arab League report, based on data from 2010, unemployment for women stands at 18% while for the figure for men is 21%, making Libya the only Arab country where there are more unemployed men than women. Libya has high levels of social inequality, high rates of youth unemployment and regional economic disparities. Water supply is also a problem, with some 28% of the population not having access to safe drinking water in 2000.
Libya imports up to 90% of its cereal consumption requirements, and imports of wheat in 2012/13 was estimated at about 1 million tonnes. The 2012 wheat production was estimated at about 200,000 tonnes. The government hopes to increase food production to 800,000 tonnes of cereals by 2020. However, natural and environmental conditions limit Libya’s agricultural production potential. Before 1958, agriculture was the country’s main source of revenue, making up about 30% of GDP. With the discovery of oil in 1958, the size of the agriculture sector declined rapidly, comprising less than 5% GDP by 2005.
The country joined OPEC in 1962. Libya is not a WTO member, but negotiations for its accession started in 2004.
In the early 1980s, Libya was one of the wealthiest countries in the world; its GDP per capita was higher than some developed countries.
Oil is the major natural resource of Libya, with estimated reserves of 43.6 billion barrels. In the early 2000s officials of the Jamahiriya era carried out economic reforms to reintegrate Libya into the global economy. UN sanctions were lifted in September 2003, and Libya announced in December 2003 that it would abandon programs to build weapons of mass destruction. Other steps have included applying for membership of the World Trade Organization, reducing subsidies, and announcing plans for privatization.
Authorities privatized more than 100 government owned companies after 2003 in industries including oil refining, tourism and real estate, of which 29 were 100% foreign owned. Many international oil companies returned to the country, including oil giants Shell and ExxonMobil. After sanctions were lifted there was a gradual increase of air traffic, and by 2005 there were 1.5 million yearly air travellers. Libya had long been a notoriously difficult country for Western tourists to visit due to stringent visa requirements.
In 2007 Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, the second-eldest son of Muammar Gaddafi, was involved in a green development project called the Green Mountain Sustainable Development Area, which sought to bring tourism to Cyrene and to preserve Greek ruins in the area.
In August 2011 it was estimated that it would take at least 10 years to rebuild Libya's infrastructure. Even before the 2011 war, Libya's infrastructure was in a poor state due to "utter neglect" by Gaddafi's administration, according to the NTC. By October 2012, the economy had recovered from the 2011 conflict, with oil production returning to near normal levels.[166] Oil production was more than 1.6 million barrels per day before the war. By October 2012, the average oil production has surpassed 1.4 million bpd. The resumption of production was made possible due to the quick return of major Western companies, like Total, Eni, Repsol, Wintershall and Occidental. In 2016, an announcement from the company said the company aims 900,000 barrel per day in the next year. Oil production has fallen from 1.6 million barrel per day to 900,000 in four years of war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya#Economy

There is a great difference between China, Russia and USA on the one hand and England on the other. China, Russia and USA produce most of weapons on their own while England is increasingly dependent on imports. England can’t even produce 5th gen. fighters and has to import F-35 Turd. So most of the money China, Russia and USA spend on weapons goes to theirs companies (end strengthen theirs economies), while England has to enrich Lockmart.

Ever hear of e.g. BAE Systems, Rolls-Royce, Babcock International, Cerco, Cobham, QinetiQ, GKN Aerospace, Ultra Electronics, Meggit, Chemring? These 10 companies are all in the world top 100 defence companies. Versus:
U.S.: 41
U.K.: 10
Russia: 8
Japan: 7
France: 5
4 companies: Israel, South Korea
Germany: 3
2 companies: Italy, India, Norway, Singapore, Turkey
1 company: Brazil, Canada, Ireland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Spain, Ukraine, South Africa
https://www.artillerymarketing.com/fs/defense-news-top-100-global-companies-2015

Incidentally, noticed that in Europe major weapon systems are increasingly international cooperative efforts e.g. Tornado, Typhoon, certain naval platforms etc.?

Correction: UK co-develops F-35B

5th gen fighters: U.S., Russia, China, India, Japan, Turkey, of which only US, Russia and China have them in service or with flying prototypes.

So, where are all those Polish defence companies? And what are they making and marketing succesfully?

 

[Piotr]

"Some"

Video you posted has fake title. This video shows celebrations of Poland’s Independence Day (11.11). It had nothing to do with Muslim immigration. I can as well post video of Egyptian Army march with a title “Egyptian solders march against Martian immigration”

I am not a "self-hating" Egyptian, I love my country and my homeland.

I have no problem with acknowledging our dark past. It is better to confront and acknowledge what horrible things our ancestors did in the past and move on.

"The Arab trade of Zanj (Bantu) slaves in Southeast Africa is one of the oldest slave trades, predating the European transatlantic slave trade by 700 years."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

Did the English ethnically cleansed two continents ? Yes, they ethnically cleansed North America and Australia.

Did the Arabs ethnically cleansed any continent ? No they didn’t

Did the English distributed blankets containing smallpox to Native Americans ? Yes they did.

Did the Arabs distributed blankets containing smallpox to Native Americans ? No they didn’t

Arabs are angels compared to the English.

Nonetheless Britain is a power to be feared and respected. No matter how small their army looks compared to China or Russia.

That’s what English propaganda bullhorns like BBC are saying. The fact is England don't even have nuclear triad.

You have morons like that in any country (but you don't blame all that country's people for it).

I don’t blame all English people. I blame English haters. I’ve already said that I respect some English people like Caroline Elkins

Yeah, well, .... it's a bit less one sided a story, possibly.

There has been debate over Churchill's alleged culpability in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Indians during the Bengal famine of 1943 where London ate India’s bread while India starved, some commentators point to the disruption of the traditional marketing system and maladministration at the provincial level as a cause with Churchill saying that the famine was the Indians own fault for “breeding like rabbits".
Arthur Herman, author of Churchill and Gandhi, contends, 'The real cause was the fall of Burma to the Japanese, which cut off India's main supply of rice imports when domestic sources fell short ... [though] it is true that Churchill opposed diverting food supplies and transports from other theatres to India to cover the shortfall: this was wartime.' In response to an urgent request by the Secretary of State for India (Leo Amery) and Viceroy of India (Wavell), to release food stocks for India, Churchill responded with a telegram to Wavell asking, if food was so scarce, "why Gandhi hadn't died yet".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill#Indian_independence

Bengal's economy was predominantly agrarian. For at least a decade before the crisis, between half and three fourths of those dependent on agriculture were already at near subsistence level. Underlying causes of the famine included inefficient agricultural practices, population and de-peasantisation through usury and land grabbing. Proximate causes comprise localised natural disasters (a cyclone, storm surges and flooding, and rice crop disease) and at least five consequences of war: initial, general war-time inflation of both demand-pull and monetary origin; loss of rice imports due to the Japanese occupation of Burma (modern Myanmar); near-total disruption of Bengal's market supplies and transport systems by the preemptive, defensive scorched earth tactics of the Raj (the "denial policies" for rice and boats); and later, massive inflation brought on by repeated policy failures, war profiteering, speculation, and perhaps hoarding. Finally, the government prioritised military and defense needs over those of the rural poor, allocating medical care and food immensely in the favour of the military, labourers in military industries, and civil servants. All of these factors were further compounded by restricted access to grain: domestic sources were constrained by emergency inter-provincial trade barriers, while access to international sources was largely denied by the War Cabinet of Great Britain. The relative impact of each of these contributing factors to the death toll and economic devastation is still a matter of controversy. Different analyses frame the famine against natural, economic, or political causes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943#Debate_over_primary_cause.28s.29

Are you trying to whitewash English crimes against humanity ?

After the Arab Spring movements overturned the rulers of Tunisia and Egypt, Libya experienced a full-scale revolt beginning on 17 February 2011.

England invaded Libya in 2011? England+Wales+Scotland=Great Britain. Great Britain + Northern Ireland = United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland aka the UK

After the Arab Spring movements overturned the rulers of Tunisia and Egypt, Libya experienced a full-scale revolt beginning on 17 February 2011. Libya's authoritarian regime led by Muammar Gaddafi put up much more of a resistance compared to the regimes in Egypt and Tunisia. The first announcement of a competing political authority appeared online and declared the Interim Transitional National Council as an alternative government. By 20 February, the unrest had spread to Tripoli. On 27 February 2011, the National Transitional Council was established to administer the areas of Libya under rebel control. On 10 March 2011, France became the first state to officially recognise the council as the legitimate representative of the Libyan people.
Pro-Gaddaffi forces were able to respond militarily to rebel pushes in Western Libya and launched a counterattack along the coast toward Benghazi, the de facto centre of the uprising. The town of Zawiya, 48 kilometres (30 mi) from Tripoli, was bombarded by air force planes and army tanks and seized by Jamahiriya troops, "exercising a level of brutality not yet seen in the conflict."
Organizations of the United Nations, including United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and the United Nations Human Rights Council, condemned the crackdown as violating international law, with the latter body expelling Libya outright in an unprecedented action urged by Libya's own delegation to the UN.
On 17 March 2011 the UN Security Council passed Resolution 1973, with a 10–0 vote and five abstentions including Russia, China, India, Brazil and Germany. The resolution sanctioned the establishment of a no-fly zone and the use of "all means necessary" to protect civilians within Libya. On 19 March, the first act of NATO allies to secure the no-fly zone by destroying Libyan air defences began when French military jets entered Libyan airspace on a reconnaissance mission heralding attacks on enemy targets.
In the weeks that followed, American forces were in the forefront of NATO operations against Libya. More than 8,000 American personnel in warships and aircraft were deployed in the area. At least 3,000 targets were struck in 14,202 strike sorties, 716 of them in Tripoli and 492 in Brega. The American air offensive included flights of B-2 Stealth bombers, each bomber armed with sixteen 2000-pound bombs, flying out of and returning to their base in Missouri on the continental United States. The support provided by the NATO airforces contributed to the ultimate success of the revolution.
By 22 August 2011, rebel fighters had entered Tripoli and occupied Green Square, which they renamed Martyrs' Square in honour of those killed since 17 February 2011. On 20 October 2011 the last heavy fighting of the uprising came to an end in the city of Sirte, where Gaddafi was captured and killed. The defeat of loyalist forces was celebrated on 23 October 2011, three days after the fall of Sirte. At least 30,000 Libyans died in the civil war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya#2011_Civil_War
Enforcing UNSC Resolution 1973:NATO. NATO members: Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Denmark, France, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Romania, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States

Foreign military intervention
The Royal Canadian Navy frigate HMCS Charlottetown was deployed to the Mediterranean off the coast of Libya on 2 March 2011, but did not take immediate action once arrived. Seventeen days later, a multi-state coalition began a military intervention in Libya to implement United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973, which was taken in response to events then occurring during the conflict. That same day, military operations began, with US forces and one British submarine firing cruise missiles. the Royal Canadian Air Force, French Air Force, United States Air Force, and British Royal Air Force undertaking sorties across Libya and a naval blockade by the Royal Navy.
From the beginning of the intervention, the coalition of Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Italy, Norway, Qatar, Spain, UK and US expanded to 17 states. Newer states mostly enforced the no-fly zone and naval blockade or provided military logistical assistance. The effort was initially largely led by the United States. NATO took control of the arms embargo on 23 March, named Operation Unified Protector. An attempt to unify the military command of the air campaign (while keeping political and strategic control with a small group), first failed due to objections by the French, German, and Turkish governments. On 24 March, NATO agreed to take control of the no-fly zone, while command of targeting ground units remained with coalition forces.
In May 2011, when Gaddafi's forces were still fighting, and the end result of the civil war was still uncertain, Putin and Dmitri Medvedev's Russian government recognized the National Transitional Council (NTC) of Libya as a legitimate dialogue partner. On 9 June 2011,some negotiators from NTC arrived in Beijing to have negotiations with the Chinese government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Civil_War_(2011)#Foreign_military_intervention
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya

Yeah, England totally invaded Libya in 2011....

The Libyan economy depends primarily upon revenues from the oil sector, which accounts for 80% of GDP and 97% of exports. Libya holds the largest proven oil reserves in Africa and is an important contributor to the global supply of light, sweet crude. Apart from petroleum, the other natural resources are natural gas and gypsum. The International Monetary Fund estimated Libya's real GDP growth at 122% in 2012 and 16.7% in 2013, after a 60% plunge in 2011.
The World Bank defines Libya as an 'Upper Middle Income Economy', along with only seven other African countries. Substantial revenues from the energy sector, coupled with a small population, give Libya one of the highest per capita GDPs in Africa. This allowed the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya state to provide an extensive level of social security, particularly in the fields of housing and education.
Libya faces many structural problems including a lack of institutions, weak governance, and chronic structural unemployment. The economy displays a lack of economic diversification and significant reliance on immigrant labour. Libya has traditionally relied on unsustainably high levels of public sector hiring to create employment. In the mid-2000s, the government employed about 70% of all national employees.
Unemployment has risen from 8% in 2008 to 21%, according to the latest census figures. According to an Arab League report, based on data from 2010, unemployment for women stands at 18% while for the figure for men is 21%, making Libya the only Arab country where there are more unemployed men than women. Libya has high levels of social inequality, high rates of youth unemployment and regional economic disparities. Water supply is also a problem, with some 28% of the population not having access to safe drinking water in 2000.
Libya imports up to 90% of its cereal consumption requirements, and imports of wheat in 2012/13 was estimated at about 1 million tonnes. The 2012 wheat production was estimated at about 200,000 tonnes. The government hopes to increase food production to 800,000 tonnes of cereals by 2020. However, natural and environmental conditions limit Libya’s agricultural production potential. Before 1958, agriculture was the country’s main source of revenue, making up about 30% of GDP. With the discovery of oil in 1958, the size of the agriculture sector declined rapidly, comprising less than 5% GDP by 2005.
The country joined OPEC in 1962. Libya is not a WTO member, but negotiations for its accession started in 2004.
In the early 1980s, Libya was one of the wealthiest countries in the world; its GDP per capita was higher than some developed countries.
Oil is the major natural resource of Libya, with estimated reserves of 43.6 billion barrels. In the early 2000s officials of the Jamahiriya era carried out economic reforms to reintegrate Libya into the global economy. UN sanctions were lifted in September 2003, and Libya announced in December 2003 that it would abandon programs to build weapons of mass destruction. Other steps have included applying for membership of the World Trade Organization, reducing subsidies, and announcing plans for privatization.
Authorities privatized more than 100 government owned companies after 2003 in industries including oil refining, tourism and real estate, of which 29 were 100% foreign owned. Many international oil companies returned to the country, including oil giants Shell and ExxonMobil. After sanctions were lifted there was a gradual increase of air traffic, and by 2005 there were 1.5 million yearly air travellers. Libya had long been a notoriously difficult country for Western tourists to visit due to stringent visa requirements.
In 2007 Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, the second-eldest son of Muammar Gaddafi, was involved in a green development project called the Green Mountain Sustainable Development Area, which sought to bring tourism to Cyrene and to preserve Greek ruins in the area.
In August 2011 it was estimated that it would take at least 10 years to rebuild Libya's infrastructure. Even before the 2011 war, Libya's infrastructure was in a poor state due to "utter neglect" by Gaddafi's administration, according to the NTC. By October 2012, the economy had recovered from the 2011 conflict, with oil production returning to near normal levels.[166] Oil production was more than 1.6 million barrels per day before the war. By October 2012, the average oil production has surpassed 1.4 million bpd. The resumption of production was made possible due to the quick return of major Western companies, like Total, Eni, Repsol, Wintershall and Occidental. In 2016, an announcement from the company said the company aims 900,000 barrel per day in the next year. Oil production has fallen from 1.6 million barrel per day to 900,000 in four years of war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya#Economy

England participated in invasion of Libya. This is why USA and England invaded Libya: http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillar...ecutions-coveting-libyan-oil-and-gold/5499358

Ever hear of e.g. BAE Systems, Rolls-Royce, Babcock International, Cerco, Cobham, QinetiQ, GKN Aerospace, Ultra Electronics, Meggit, Chemring? These 10 companies are all in the world top 100 defence companies. Versus:
U.S.: 41
U.K.: 10
Russia: 8
Japan: 7
France: 5
4 companies: Israel, South Korea
Germany: 3
2 companies: Italy, India, Norway, Singapore, Turkey
1 company: Brazil, Canada, Ireland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Spain, Ukraine, South Africa
https://www.artillerymarketing.com/fs/defense-news-top-100-global-companies-2015

These 10 companies are not in the world top 100 defence companies. These 10 companies are in the world top 100 defence companies according to BS rank made by CIA trolls from www.artillerymarketing.com.

Come on. Rank from www.artillerymarketing.com is total BS. Have you ever heard of AVIC of China ? It produce J-20 and FC-31 5th gen. fighter jets and Y-20 (biggest transport airplane currently in production). And according to CIA trolls from www.artillerymarketing.com AVIC is not among top 100 defence companies .
BTW it’s funny how CIA trolls from www.artillerymarketing.com place BAE Systems above Airbus Group.

So, where are all those Polish defence companies? And what are they making and marketing succesfully?

We suffered devastating losses during World War 2 started by Hitler who was founded by England and USA but we are making progress:

https://poland.pl/politics/home/polish-defence-sectors-rich-offering/

BTW we successfully aborted deal to buy Caracal helicopters (also known in Poland as karakan – eng. cockroach). Hopefully helicopters for Wojsko Polskie will be built in Poland (either in Świdnik or Mielec).

 

[Penguin]

Are you trying to whitewash English crimes against humanity ?

No. Meanwhile, are you trying to deny there is debate about Churchill's role i.e. present something as fact when in reality there are different viewpoints on this?

England participated in invasion of Libya. This is why USA and England invaded Libya: http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillar...ecutions-coveting-libyan-oil-and-gold/5499358

You said UK invaded Libya. In reality, a coalition of nations including Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Italy, Norway, Qatar, Spain, United Arab Emirates, UK and USA contributed military assets to enforce Resolution 1973. France led the international community in advancing the case for military intervention in Libya in February and March 2011. UK policy followed decisions taken in France. Military action commenced on 19 March 2011, when the coalition targeted Libyan air defences and military targets with aircraft and missiles. NATO assumed command of all coalition military operations in relation to Libya as part of NATO Operation Unified Protector on 31 March 2011. The NTC forces were supported by NATO air power, which facilitated their combat performance. The deployment of coalition air assets shifted the military balance in the Libyan civil war in favour of the rebels. The combat performance of rebel ground forces was enhanced by personnel and intelligence provided by states such as the UK, France, Turkey, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates. You do know the difference between intervention and invasion?

These 10 companies are not in the world top 100 defence companies. These 10 companies are in the world top 100 defence companies according to BS rank made by CIA trolls from www.artillerymarketing.com.

Come on. Rank from www.artillerymarketing.com is total BS. Have you ever heard of AVIC of China ? It produce J-20 and FC-31 5th gen. fighter jets and Y-20 (biggest transport airplane currently in production). And according to CIA trolls from www.artillerymarketing.com AVIC is not among top 100 defence companies .
BTW it’s funny how CIA trolls from www.artillerymarketing.com place BAE Systems above Airbus Group.

Glad you read it so well and notice the following reference: "The companies listed below are based on the Defense News Top 100 2015." In other words, not by artillerymarketing.com
Top 100 for 2016
http://people.defensenews.com/top-100/
Goes back to 2000

It states:

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We suffered devastating losses during World War 2 started by Hitler who was founded by England and USA but we are making progress:

https://poland.pl/politics/home/polish-defence-sectors-rich-offering/

BTW we successfully aborted deal to buy Caracal helicopters (also known in Poland as karakan – eng. cockroach). Hopefully helicopters for Wojsko Polskie will be built in Poland (either in Świdnik or Mielec).

I'm quite aware of Polish losses in WW2. Wouldn't you agree the rise of Hitler primarily had to do with ... well, ... Germans? You do not think Herr Hitler would have come to power anyway (as if he had no backing among the Germany people or from German industry, military and political establishment etc.)? Or would not have started war anyway?

I also would hope you can tell the difference between financing a bankrupt country, the international funding of businesses (esp. in the case of multinationals) and funding by some influential individuals of other individual politicians.

Lastly this:

I have great respect for the Polish military. Not in the last place because my country was liberated largely by the First Canadian Army which included, in addition to Canadian forces, the British I Corps and the 1st Polish Armoured Division (16,000 strong, commanded by Major General Stanisław Maczek) as well as, at various times, American, Belgian, Dutch and Czechoslovak troops.

A successful outflanking manoeuvre planned and performed by General Maczek allowed the liberation of the city of Breda without any civilian casualties (29 October 1944). The Division spent the winter of 1944-1945 on the south bank of the river Rhine, guarding a sector around Moerdijk, Netherlands. In early 1945, it was transferred to the province of Overijssel and started to push with the Allies along the Dutch-German border, liberating the eastern parts of the provinces of Drenthe and Groningen including the towns of Emmen, Coevorden and Stadskanaal.

This was after the Polish 1st Independent Parachute Brigade (2400 strong, under Major General Stanislaw Sosabowksi) had already been among the Allied forces taking part in Operation Market Garden in september 1944. In 1945, the Brigade was attached to the Polish 1st Armoured Division and undertook occupation duties in Northern Germany until it was disbanded on 30 June 1947. The majority of its soldiers chose to stay in exile rather than hazard returning to the new Communist Poland.

In April 1945, the 1st Armoured entered Germany in the area of Emsland. On 6 May, the Division seized the Kriegsmarine naval base in Wilhelmshaven, where General Maczek accepted the capitulation of the fortress, naval base, East Frisian Fleet and more than 10 infantry divisions. There the Division ended the war and, joined by the Polish 1st Independent Parachute Brigade, undertook occupation duties until it was disbanded in 1947; it, together with the many Polish displaced persons in the Western occupied territories, formed a Polish enclave at Haren in Germany, which was for a while known as "Maczków". The majority of its soldiers opted not to return to Poland, which fell under Soviet occupation, preferring instead to remain in exile

Shortly after the war, Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands wanted to award the Parachute Brigade and wrote the government a request. However, the Minister of Foreign Affairs at that time, Eelco van Kleffens, opposed the idea. He thought an award for the Poles would upset the relations with the ‘Big Three’ and harm national interests. Nevertheless, more than 61 years after World War II, on 31 May 2006, the Brigade was finally awarded the Military Order of William by Queen Beatrix for its distinguished and outstanding acts of bravery, skill and devotion to duty during Operation Market Garden. Mind you, the military order of William is the highest Dutch military award. Only eleven units have ever been awarded this honor, of which only 2 are non Dutch. The award is now worn by the 6th Airborne Brigade which inherited the battle honours of the Independent Polish Para brigade.

At the same time that the brigade was honored, and despite British diplomatic pressure, the brigade's commander, Sosabowski, was posthumously awarded the "Bronze Lion". In part this was the result of a Dutch TV documentary depicting the brigade as having played a far more significant role in Market Garden than had hitherto been acknowledged. The Bronze Lion is a high Royal Dutch award, intended for servicemen who have shown extreme bravery and leadership in battle favouring The Netherlands (though in some special cases it can be awarded to Dutch or foreign civilians as well). It was first created in 1944 and has since been issued a total of 1210 times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Armoured_Division_(Poland)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Independent_Parachute_Brigade_(Poland)

 

[Vergennes]

BTW we successfully aborted deal to buy Caracal helicopters (also known in Poland as karakan – eng. cockroach). Hopefully helicopters for Wojsko Polskie will be built in Poland (either in Świdnik or Mielec).

Ins't there an ongoing investigation about foul play of M. Berczynski about the non-transparent conditions of the abortion of the Caracal deal ? He claimed was the mandatary of the Minister of Defence and who even boasted to the Gazeta Prawna (about the Smolensk comission) that he finished the Caracal ?

It's interesting to note that Berczynski has both Polish and American citizenship,that he worked as a Boeing engineer,Boeing who funded his studies according to the Polish press.

The former Polish Defense Minister, Tomasz Siemoniak, told Le Monde that this is a serious affair about the conditions,in which discussions with Airbus Helicopters have been broken,lack transparency. "Mr. Berczynski's ties with American interests are obviously problematic. All these uncertainties undermine the credibility of this government to conduct any negotiations",he said.

The Caracal was chosen as it was the helicopter that met most of the criterias imposed by YOU.
Airbus with ToT,was ready to open a local plant to produce the helicopters for the Polish army's needs and international needs. Airbus confirmed that it offered offset contract above the net value of the contract.
YOU probably forgot that Airbus opened in Lodz a research and development center.

That is YOUR loss.

Franco-Polish relations aren't that good since this saga,and have already badly started since the election of our new President.

 

[bobo6661]

Video you posted has fake title. This video shows celebrations of Poland’s Independence Day (11.11). It had nothing to do with Muslim immigration. I can as well post video of Egyptian Army march with a title “Egyptian solders march against Martian immigration”

Yee but you can't deny the opening slogans like "Polska dla Polakow" and the Slogan on flag "stop islamizacji Polski" ONR flags ... Next time they need to put them on the end not begining... Im starting to fear what will happen in next years ...

BTW we successfully aborted deal to buy Caracal helicopters (also known in Poland as karakan – eng. cockroach). Hopefully helicopters for Wojsko Polskie will be built in Poland (either in Świdnik or Mielec).

OMG next moron and Caracals would be build in Łodz like other in Świdnik or Mielec not those companies are Polish ... Both are Sold ... So whats the difrence ? Not like Black Hawks will be made 100% in Poland and AW will not be build 100% in Poland. OR maby we will make a new one with Ukraine like Macierewicz dreamed?. You one of those dreamers like the Mistral for 1 $ ...

 

[vostok]

That’s what English propaganda bullhorns like BBC are saying. The fact is England don't even have nuclear triad.

To be precise, only Russia and the United States have nuclear triad. Britain do not even have its own missiles, they use US missiles.

 

[Timur]

To be precise, only Russia and the United States have nuclear triad. Britain do not even have its own missiles, they use US missiles.

maybe you coul add they dont even have their own language they use US language..

they are the same ppl working together.. what do you expect?

 

[Fledgingwings]

They dont need to,as they are one of the super economies in the world.Robbing and looting the world for 200+ years is enough worth of great wealth and resources to make the britian so called the UK.

 

[Piotr]

No. Meanwhile, are you trying to deny there is debate about Churchill's role i.e. present something as fact when in reality there are different viewpoints on this?

Not a „debate” but desperate attempts to whitewash monster terrorists Churchill.

You said UK invaded Libya. In reality, a coalition of nations including Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Italy, Norway, Qatar, Spain, United Arab Emirates, UK and USA contributed military assets to enforce Resolution 1973.

This is what Sergey Lavrov said about UN Resolution 1973:

“Today we witness that some NATO actions in Libya are exceeding the framework defined by the UN Security Council. It is already being discussed that UN Resolution 1973 could also be used for ground operations,” Lavrov declared.

“The resolution does not provide for such actions and does not approve them, nor does the UN deal support regime change in Libya,” admonished the Russian foreign minister.
Source: https://www.rt.com/news/russia-nato-un-resolution-libya/

You do know the difference between intervention and invasion?

English and Yankee imperialists like to use nice words like: “humanitarian intervention”, “responsibility to protect”, “democracy”, “human rights” ,.while in fact they care only about power and money. USA and England use depleted uranium in operation they call: “Operation Enduring Freedom” in Afganistan. Depleted uranium is what US “freedom” is all about. You can use term “intervention in Libya”, I will call it invasion of Libya.

Glad you read it so well and notice the following reference: "The companies listed below are based on the Defense News Top 100 2015." In other words, not by artillerymarketing.com
Top 100 for 2016
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Goes back to 2000

It states:

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Perhaps AVIC declined to participate?

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Quote by Benjamin Disraeli

Rank from www.artillerymarketing.com or whatever they are called qualifies as third kind of lies.

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What do you expect them to write in their About Us section? That they are unreliable, dependent and unprofessional ?

I'm quite aware of Polish losses in WW2. Wouldn't you agree the rise of Hitler primarily had to do with ... well, ... Germans? You do not think Herr Hitler would have come to power anyway (as if he had no backing among the Germany people or from German industry, military and political establishment etc.)? Or would not have started war anyway?

Rise of Hitler primarily had to do with England and USA. England and USA were mostly to blame for World War II


"(...)
The total amount of foreign investments in German industry during 1924-1929 amounted to almost 63 billion gold Marks (30 billion was accounted for by loans), and the payment of reparations — 10 billion Marks. 70% of revenues were provided by bankers from the United States, and most of the banks were from JP Morgan. As a result, in 1929, German industry was in second place in the world, but it was largely in the hands of America's leading financial-industrial groups.

"Interessen-Gemeinschaft Farbenindustrie", the main supplier of the German war machine, financed 45% of the election campaign of Hitler in 1930, and was under the control of Rockefeller "Standard oil". Morgan, through "General Electric", controlled the German radio and electrical industry via AEG and Siemens (up to 1933, 30% of the shares of AEG owned "General Electric") through the Telecom company ITT — 40% of the telephone network in Germany.

In addition, they owned a 30% stake in the aircraft manufacturing company "Focke-Wulf". "General Motors", belonging to the DuPont family, established control over "Opel". Henry Ford controlled 100% of the shares of "Volkswagen". In 1926, with the participation of the Rockefeller Bank "Dillon, Reed & Co." the second largest industrial monopoly in Germany after "I.G Farben" emerged — metallurgical concern "Vereinigte Stahlwerke" (Steel trust) Thyssen, Flick, Wolff, Feglera etc.

American cooperation with the German military-industrial complex was so intense and pervasive that by 1933 the key sectors of German industry and large banks such as Deutsche Bank, Dresdner Bank, Donat Bank etc were under the control of American financial capital.

The political force that was intended to play a crucial role in the Anglo-American plans was being simultaneously prepared. We are talking about the funding of the Nazi party and A. Hitler personally.
(...)"
Source: http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/05/hitler-was-financed-by-federal-reserve.html

Lastly this:

I have great respect for the Polish military. Not in the last place because my country was liberated largely by the First Canadian Army which included, in addition to Canadian forces, the British I Corps and the 1st Polish Armoured Division (16,000 strong, commanded by Major General Stanisław Maczek) as well as, at various times, American, Belgian, Dutch and Czechoslovak troops.

A successful outflanking manoeuvre planned and performed by General Maczek allowed the liberation of the city of Breda without any civilian casualties (29 October 1944). The Division spent the winter of 1944-1945 on the south bank of the river Rhine, guarding a sector around Moerdijk, Netherlands. In early 1945, it was transferred to the province of Overijssel and started to push with the Allies along the Dutch-German border, liberating the eastern parts of the provinces of Drenthe and Groningen including the towns of Emmen, Coevorden and Stadskanaal.

This was after the Polish 1st Independent Parachute Brigade (2400 strong, under Major General Stanislaw Sosabowksi) had already been among the Allied forces taking part in Operation Market Garden in september 1944. In 1945, the Brigade was attached to the Polish 1st Armoured Division and undertook occupation duties in Northern Germany until it was disbanded on 30 June 1947. The majority of its soldiers chose to stay in exile rather than hazard returning to the new Communist Poland.

In April 1945, the 1st Armoured entered Germany in the area of Emsland. On 6 May, the Division seized the Kriegsmarine naval base in Wilhelmshaven, where General Maczek accepted the capitulation of the fortress, naval base, East Frisian Fleet and more than 10 infantry divisions. There the Division ended the war and, joined by the Polish 1st Independent Parachute Brigade, undertook occupation duties until it was disbanded in 1947; it, together with the many Polish displaced persons in the Western occupied territories, formed a Polish enclave at Haren in Germany, which was for a while known as "Maczków". The majority of its soldiers opted not to return to Poland, which fell under Soviet occupation, preferring instead to remain in exile

Shortly after the war, Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands wanted to award the Parachute Brigade and wrote the government a request. However, the Minister of Foreign Affairs at that time, Eelco van Kleffens, opposed the idea. He thought an award for the Poles would upset the relations with the ‘Big Three’ and harm national interests. Nevertheless, more than 61 years after World War II, on 31 May 2006, the Brigade was finally awarded the Military Order of William by Queen Beatrix for its distinguished and outstanding acts of bravery, skill and devotion to duty during Operation Market Garden. Mind you, the military order of William is the highest Dutch military award. Only eleven units have ever been awarded this honor, of which only 2 are non Dutch. The award is now worn by the 6th Airborne Brigade which inherited the battle honours of the Independent Polish Para brigade.

At the same time that the brigade was honored, and despite British diplomatic pressure, the brigade's commander, Sosabowski, was posthumously awarded the "Bronze Lion". In part this was the result of a Dutch TV documentary depicting the brigade as having played a far more significant role in Market Garden than had hitherto been acknowledged. The Bronze Lion is a high Royal Dutch award, intended for servicemen who have shown extreme bravery and leadership in battle favouring The Netherlands (though in some special cases it can be awarded to Dutch or foreign civilians as well). It was first created in 1944 and has since been issued a total of 1210 times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Armoured_Division_(Poland)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Independent_Parachute_Brigade_(Poland)

General Maczek after the War worked as bartender in a bar owned by his previous subordinate. (Source: https://www.tygodnikprzeglad.pl/przegrani-zwyciezcy/ @bobo6661 to może Ciebie zainteresować)
Once you've served your purpose, you're no longer needed. That’s how things often are in England and not only in England.


And the best:

"During the Second World War the gold reserves of Poland were transferred to Great Britain and Canada. After the war, a bill for over 68 million pounds sterling, covering the equipment and operating costs of the Polish Air Force in Great Britain, was paid from the Polish gold reserves deposited in Canada."

Above is a quote from old version of Wikipedia article about National Bank of Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Bank_of_Poland&oldid=714700215
In current version of Wikipedia article about National Bank of Poland there is nothing about it (censorship ??)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bank_of_Poland

So in other words England stolen our gold. French poet Augustin Louis de Ximénès was right to call England “Perfidious Albion”

Ins't there an ongoing investigation about foul play of M. Berczynski about the non-transparent conditions of the abortion of the Caracal deal ? He claimed was the mandatary of the Minister of Defence and who even boasted to the Gazeta Prawna (about the Smolensk comission) that he finished the Caracal ?

It's interesting to note that Berczynski has both Polish and American citizenship,that he worked as a Boeing engineer,Boeing who funded his studies according to the Polish press.

According to (source)
"Berczyński zniknął. Gdzie jest? Prawdopodobnie w USA."
Berczyński has disappeared. Where is he? Most probably in the USA.

The Caracal was chosen as it was the helicopter that met most of the criterias imposed by YOU.

Caracal was chosen by previous government of Platforma Obywatelska (pro EU), now there is government of Prawo i Sprawiedliwość (more pro US)

Airbus with ToT,was ready to open a local plant to produce the helicopters for the Polish army's needs and international needs. Airbus confirmed that it offered offset contract above the net value of the contract.
YOU probably forgot that Airbus opened in Lodz a research and development center.

According to information obtained by Radio RMF FM from anonymous source “French proposals were bad” and “France treated Poland as a colony”. According to aforementioned source there were no concrete proposals from Airbus to create 6 thousand jobs in Poland. There was only PowerPoint presentation. Aforementioned source also said that Poland has nothing to worry about in case of a lawsuit because negotiations (between Airbus and Poland) were recorded.
Source: http://kresy.pl/wydarzenia/neokolonialne-negocjacje-ws-caracali/

So it seems that Caracal deal was not good. AFAIK Airbus hasn’t sued Poland. So most probably aforementioned allegations are true. That’s why I think that Caracal deal was bad.

According to Aleksander Kwaśniewski (former President of Poland) France was supposed to get a deal for Caracal helicopters in return for canceling Mistral deal.
If it’s true that means that you shot yourself in foot by canceling Mistral deal and you get nothing in return. IMHO you should blame USA not Poland for that.

Franco-Polish relations aren't that good since this saga,and have already badly started since the election of our new President.

I support good relations between Poland and France but that does not mean I support bad Caracal deal. Airbus should try harder. BTW it’s very likely that USA had a finger in the pie. USA does not want strong and independent EU.

Yee but you can't deny the opening slogans like "Polska dla Polakow" and the Slogan on flag "stop islamizacji Polski" ONR flags ... Next time they need to put them on the end not begining... Im starting to fear what will happen in next years ...

“Polska dla Polaków” is not the same as „Polska tylko dla Polaków” nethertheless I agree that they shouldn’t be in the front.

You one of those dreamers like the Mistral for 1 $ ...

IMO Macierewicz is not stupid. He just wants to weaken France which is major competitor to USA and England in Arms exports. Macierewicz supports USA and England not the EU.

To be precise, only Russia and the United States have nuclear triad. Britain do not even have its own missiles, they use US missiles.

England is only good in hiding behind US back and chest-thumping. USA is still major power, England is not. Lackeys of the Queen of England believe that England is still a major power because they are constantly exposed to BS from BBC and other English fake news media outlets.

 

[Penguin]

Not a „debate” but desperate attempts to whitewash monster terrorists Churchill.

Yes, incredibly desperate Sorry, you are wrong on this.

This is what Sergey Lavrov said about UN Resolution 1973:

“Today we witness that some NATO actions in Libya are exceeding the framework defined by the UN Security Council. It is already being discussed that UN Resolution 1973 could also be used for ground operations,” Lavrov declared.

“The resolution does not provide for such actions and does not approve them, nor does the UN deal support regime change in Libya,” admonished the Russian foreign minister.
Source: https://www.rt.com/news/russia-nato-un-resolution-libya/
[/quoe]It doesn't matter. You claim UK invaded Libya. Simply isn't the case, no matter what Lavrov said. Where/when/how/how many UK troops landed?

English and Yankee imperialists like to use nice words like: “humanitarian intervention”, “responsibility to protect”, “democracy”, “human rights” ,.while in fact they care only about power and money. USA and England use depleted uranium in operation they call: “Operation Enduring Freedom” in Afganistan. Depleted uranium is what US “freedom” is all about. You can use term “intervention in Libya”, I will call it invasion of Libya.

Sorry, you are ranting about things we were not discussing.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Quote by Benjamin Disraeli

Rank from www.artillerymarketing.com or whatever they are called qualifies as third kind of lies.

Sure, ignore the valid original source. Ranking has nothing to do with statistics.

What do you expect them to write in their About Us section? That they are unreliable, dependent and unprofessional ?

Not the point. It tells you what busines they are in and what other things they publish (that are relatively good sources, certainly compared to e.g. conspiracy theory blogs or russian back agitprop from RT or SputnikNews.

Rise of Hitler primarily had to do with England and USA. England and USA were mostly to blame for World War II

If you want to believe that, feel free. Just shows you know little of history and have learned little from it. Which - considering you are from Poland - is quite shocking, actually.

"(...)
The total amount of foreign investments in German industry during 1924-1929 amounted to almost 63 billion gold Marks (30 billion was accounted for by loans), and the payment of reparations — 10 billion Marks. 70% of revenues were provided by bankers from the United States, and most of the banks were from JP Morgan. As a result, in 1929, German industry was in second place in the world, but it was largely in the hands of America's leading financial-industrial groups.

"Interessen-Gemeinschaft Farbenindustrie", the main supplier of the German war machine, financed 45% of the election campaign of Hitler in 1930, and was under the control of Rockefeller "Standard oil". Morgan, through "General Electric", controlled the German radio and electrical industry via AEG and Siemens (up to 1933, 30% of the shares of AEG owned "General Electric") through the Telecom company ITT — 40% of the telephone network in Germany.

In addition, they owned a 30% stake in the aircraft manufacturing company "Focke-Wulf". "General Motors", belonging to the DuPont family, established control over "Opel". Henry Ford controlled 100% of the shares of "Volkswagen". In 1926, with the participation of the Rockefeller Bank "Dillon, Reed & Co." the second largest industrial monopoly in Germany after "I.G Farben" emerged — metallurgical concern "Vereinigte Stahlwerke" (Steel trust) Thyssen, Flick, Wolff, Feglera etc.

American cooperation with the German military-industrial complex was so intense and pervasive that by 1933 the key sectors of German industry and large banks such as Deutsche Bank, Dresdner Bank, Donat Bank etc were under the control of American financial capital.

The political force that was intended to play a crucial role in the Anglo-American plans was being simultaneously prepared. We are talking about the funding of the Nazi party and A. Hitler personally.
(...)"
Source: http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/05/hitler-was-financed-by-federal-reserve.html

So what? We do know that prominent European and American industrialists were sponsoring all manner of totalitarian political groups at that time, including Communists and various Nazi groups.

But .. You completely ignore the Germans

In 1928, GM bought 80% of Opel shares and then the balance in 1931, for a total of $33 million. But then the Germans seized Opel in WW2 and GM didn't regain control untill 1948.
https://books.google.nl/books?id=y6ej6MYr6sMC&printsec=frontcover&hl=nl#v=onepage&q&f=false
So it went with many companies.

As for Volkswagen, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen#1932.E2.80.931938:_People.27s_Car_project
Sure you are not confused wih Henry Ford II?

General Maczek after the War worked as bartender in a bar owned by his previous subordinate. (Source: https://www.tygodnikprzeglad.pl/przegrani-zwyciezcy/ @bobo6661 to może Ciebie zainteresować)
Once you've served your purpose, you're no longer needed. That’s how things often are in England and not only in England.

Beats getting deported and die under Stalin's Easten Europen puppet regimes.

And the best:

"During the Second World War the gold reserves of Poland were transferred to Great Britain and Canada. After the war, a bill for over 68 million pounds sterling, covering the equipment and operating costs of the Polish Air Force in Great Britain, was paid from the Polish gold reserves deposited in Canada."

Above is a quote from old version of Wikipedia article about National Bank of Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Bank_of_Poland&oldid=714700215
In current version of Wikipedia article about National Bank of Poland there is nothing about it (censorship ??)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bank_of_Poland

So in other words England stolen our gold. French poet Augustin Louis de Ximénès was right to call England “Perfidious Albion”

Well, there you have it. They stole your gold. They must have financed uncle Adolf therefore.

It seems perfectly justified that there is a bill. Dutch gold went to Canada too. I'm sure we payed the UK some money for letting our queen and government stay in the UK and run a bit of military there.

 

[Piotr]

Yes, incredibly desperate Sorry, you are wrong on this.

So what? We do know that prominent European and American industrialists were sponsoring all manner of totalitarian political groups at that time, including Communists and various Nazi groups.

English attack dog Hitler killed millions of people and you are asking "So what?"

You completely ignore the Germans

Germans are also to blame. But England was helping Hitler:

@1:50 Hitler and his ally PM of the UK Chamberlain.

There is no much difference between England and Nazi Germany.

Beats getting deported and die under Stalin's Easten Europen puppet regimes.

Beats getting killed in English death camps in Kenya.

It seems perfectly justified that there is a bill.

This is English gratitude. We were defending them and they stolen our gold. With allies like England you don't need enemies.

They dont need to,as they are one of the super economies in the world.Robbing and looting the world for 200+ years is enough worth of great wealth and resources to make the britian so called the UK.

I'm sure Pakistan, India and other victims of England will sooner or later force England to return what England looted. England has to pay compensations. It will make England even less relevant. England will not only cease to me major power. England will also cease to be regional power.

 

[mike2000 is back]

"Some"



I am not a "self-hating" Egyptian, I love my country and my homeland. I have no problem with acknowledging our dark past. It is better to confront and acknowledge what horrible things our ancestors did in the past and move on.

"The Arab trade of Zanj (Bantu) slaves in Southeast Africa is one of the oldest slave trades, predating the European transatlantic slave trade by 700 years."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

Nonetheless Britain is a power to be feared and respected. No matter how small their army looks compared to China or Russia.

That dude is a Russian living in Poland. So chill, his views are expected.
Plus they(Russians) hate muslims more than anything western powers can ever do.lol

Not a „debate” but desperate attempts to whitewash monster terrorists Churchill.



This is what Sergey Lavrov said about UN Resolution 1973:

“Today we witness that some NATO actions in Libya are exceeding the framework defined by the UN Security Council. It is already being discussed that UN Resolution 1973 could also be used for ground operations,” Lavrov declared.

“The resolution does not provide for such actions and does not approve them, nor does the UN deal support regime change in Libya,” admonished the Russian foreign minister.
Source: https://www.rt.com/news/russia-nato-un-resolution-libya/



English and Yankee imperialists like to use nice words like: “humanitarian intervention”, “responsibility to protect”, “democracy”, “human rights” ,.while in fact they care only about power and money. USA and England use depleted uranium in operation they call: “Operation Enduring Freedom” in Afganistan. Depleted uranium is what US “freedom” is all about. You can use term “intervention in Libya”, I will call it invasion of Libya.




"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Quote by Benjamin Disraeli

Rank from www.artillerymarketing.com or whatever they are called qualifies as third kind of lies.



What do you expect them to write in their About Us section? That they are unreliable, dependent and unprofessional ?



Rise of Hitler primarily had to do with England and USA. England and USA were mostly to blame for World War II


"(...)
The total amount of foreign investments in German industry during 1924-1929 amounted to almost 63 billion gold Marks (30 billion was accounted for by loans), and the payment of reparations — 10 billion Marks. 70% of revenues were provided by bankers from the United States, and most of the banks were from JP Morgan. As a result, in 1929, German industry was in second place in the world, but it was largely in the hands of America's leading financial-industrial groups.

"Interessen-Gemeinschaft Farbenindustrie", the main supplier of the German war machine, financed 45% of the election campaign of Hitler in 1930, and was under the control of Rockefeller "Standard oil". Morgan, through "General Electric", controlled the German radio and electrical industry via AEG and Siemens (up to 1933, 30% of the shares of AEG owned "General Electric") through the Telecom company ITT — 40% of the telephone network in Germany.

In addition, they owned a 30% stake in the aircraft manufacturing company "Focke-Wulf". "General Motors", belonging to the DuPont family, established control over "Opel". Henry Ford controlled 100% of the shares of "Volkswagen". In 1926, with the participation of the Rockefeller Bank "Dillon, Reed & Co." the second largest industrial monopoly in Germany after "I.G Farben" emerged — metallurgical concern "Vereinigte Stahlwerke" (Steel trust) Thyssen, Flick, Wolff, Feglera etc.

American cooperation with the German military-industrial complex was so intense and pervasive that by 1933 the key sectors of German industry and large banks such as Deutsche Bank, Dresdner Bank, Donat Bank etc were under the control of American financial capital.

The political force that was intended to play a crucial role in the Anglo-American plans was being simultaneously prepared. We are talking about the funding of the Nazi party and A. Hitler personally.
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Source: http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/05/hitler-was-financed-by-federal-reserve.html



General Maczek after the War worked as bartender in a bar owned by his previous subordinate. (Source: https://www.tygodnikprzeglad.pl/przegrani-zwyciezcy/ @bobo6661 to może Ciebie zainteresować)
Once you've served your purpose, you're no longer needed. That’s how things often are in England and not only in England.


And the best:

"During the Second World War the gold reserves of Poland were transferred to Great Britain and Canada. After the war, a bill for over 68 million pounds sterling, covering the equipment and operating costs of the Polish Air Force in Great Britain, was paid from the Polish gold reserves deposited in Canada."

Above is a quote from old version of Wikipedia article about National Bank of Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Bank_of_Poland&oldid=714700215
In current version of Wikipedia article about National Bank of Poland there is nothing about it (censorship ??)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bank_of_Poland

So in other words England stolen our gold. French poet Augustin Louis de Ximénès was right to call England “Perfidious Albion”



According to (source)
"Berczyński zniknął. Gdzie jest? Prawdopodobnie w USA."
Berczyński has disappeared. Where is he? Most probably in the USA.




Caracal was chosen by previous government of Platforma Obywatelska (pro EU), now there is government of Prawo i Sprawiedliwość (more pro US)



According to information obtained by Radio RMF FM from anonymous source “French proposals were bad” and “France treated Poland as a colony”. According to aforementioned source there were no concrete proposals from Airbus to create 6 thousand jobs in Poland. There was only PowerPoint presentation. Aforementioned source also said that Poland has nothing to worry about in case of a lawsuit because negotiations (between Airbus and Poland) were recorded.
Source: http://kresy.pl/wydarzenia/neokolonialne-negocjacje-ws-caracali/

So it seems that Caracal deal was not good. AFAIK Airbus hasn’t sued Poland. So most probably aforementioned allegations are true. That’s why I think that Caracal deal was bad.

According to Aleksander Kwaśniewski (former President of Poland) France was supposed to get a deal for Caracal helicopters in return for canceling Mistral deal.
If it’s true that means that you shot yourself in foot by canceling Mistral deal and you get nothing in return. IMHO you should blame USA not Poland for that.



I support good relations between Poland and France but that does not mean I support bad Caracal deal. Airbus should try harder. BTW it’s very likely that USA had a finger in the pie. USA does not want strong and independent EU.



“Polska dla Polaków” is not the same as „Polska tylko dla Polaków” nethertheless I agree that they shouldn’t be in the front.



IMO Macierewicz is not stupid. He just wants to weaken France which is major competitor to USA and England in Arms exports. Macierewicz supports USA and England not the EU.



England is only good in hiding behind US back and chest-thumping. USA is still major power, England is not. Lackeys of the Queen of England believe that England is still a major power because they are constantly exposed to BS from BBC and other English fake news media outlets.

Why don't you tell your country Russia to try and invade Britain and let's see how it goes for you then?
Britain still has the world's second largest defence industry even today. We can produce almost any strategic weapons needed for a war if needed. The fact that we have a small army/personnel is because we have no real threats and we have to justify any high amount of money we spend on our military to our public(we are democracy unlike authoritative Russia were Put in can make any law as he pleases unchallenged) and prioritise spending on social programs(education,health etc). so makes no sense to keep such a large army(well to our public and even some politicians), it's a political decision not a lack of capability dude. It's the same reason we had a far smaller army prior to WWI and even WWII compared to even other European powers , but once the war started we quickly recuruted and mobilised hundreds of thousands of soldiers and churned out more military equipment than ever before.
We have everything(industrial,technological, military capabilities) to ward off ANY WORLD POWER in case of a full scale war, except the U.S. Our army is very skilled, and experienced fighting wars continuously for over a century as well. Only a fool will think otherwise. Any country is welcome to try though.

 

[bobo6661]

“Polska dla Polaków” is not the same as „Polska tylko dla Polaków” nethertheless

......... thats the same ......

IMO Macierewicz is not stupid. He just wants to weaken France which is major competitor to USA and England in Arms exports. Macierewicz supports USA and England not the EU.

He is stupid without competition we will buy more expensive stuff... Not like we need EU ...

I support good relations between Poland and France but that does not mean I support bad Caracal deal. Airbus should try harder. BTW it’s very likely that USA had a finger in the pie. USA does not want strong and independent EU.

The others should try harder to thats why they lost with Airbus ...
Offers submitted by WSK PZL Świdnik S.A and consortium Sikorsky International Operations Incorporation, Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation, together with Polish Aircraft Sp. Z. O. Z. Mielec did not meet the formal and technical requirements, among others. The delivery date, helicopter equipment in the system, there is no inaccuracies or false. The French won the tender they had offered for better conditions, despite the fact that the pilot was in a lost position. It is worth the place of senseless speculation and illogical arguments that appear to be satisfying with a well-made choice.
http://www.nowastrategia.org.pl/ec-725-caracal-duzo-szumu-malo-faktow/
http://www.armia24.pl/analizy-felietony-2/2691-wybor-h225m-caracal-dla-polskiej-armii-czy-trafnie

 

[Penguin]

English attack dog Hitler killed millions of people and you are asking "So what?"

Yep. Read it and weep.

Germans are also to blame. But England was helping Hitler:

@1:50 Hitler and his ally PM of the UK Chamberlain.

All sorts of places were helping Hitler. And Hitler was helping all sorts of others (see e.g. Spain). Likewise uncle Joe.

There is no much difference between England and Nazi Germany.

Says you. Just that Poland didn't get occupied by UK (look up England pls) and that doesn't seem to bother you. Perhaps you are more in uncle Joe's camp?

Location of England (dark green) in the United Kingdom (green) in Europe (grey)

Beats getting killed in English death camps in Kenya.

Or in German death camps in Namibia, under rule of one mister Goring (yes, that's Goring sr.). What is your point?

All colonial nations at some point committed attrocities. It is inherent in colonization. Meanwhile, lets not pretend no attrocities were committed among European peoples earlier on in their history. Likewise all great conquests in history. It proves nothing nor does it change anything nor does it excuse anything in relation to the rise to power of Hitler in Germany, or how the Germans dealt with Hitler.

This is English gratitude. We were defending them and they stolen our gold. With allies like England you don't need enemies.

Hahaha, right. Poland was defending the UK during WW2. Well, so was the Netherlands and many other nations from occupied countries (including also e.g. France, Belgium, Norway, Denmark, Czechoslovakia) that were taken in by the UK / Great Britain. Perhaps you didn't know, but the UK in turn had to pay the US for all the stuff 'we' as free Dutch and free Poles got (=bought) from the British. Ultimately, lend-lease cost GB its global empire (it even traded some of its overseas bases to the US so as to finance its rearmament after Dunkirk).

And, clearly, the Poles got much MUCH better treatment from the USSR, right? I mean, how again did that secret clause in the non-aggression (Molotov-Ribbentrop) pact work out for the Poles? What was that again with the uprising in Warsaw in 1944? And what happened again to those that returned from UK to Soviet occupied Poland post WW2?

Nah, I would too keep complaining about the UK if I were you.

I'm sure Pakistan, India and other victims of England will sooner or later force England to return what England looted. England has to pay compensations. It will make England even less relevant. England will not only cease to me major power. England will also cease to be regional power.

I think you have a problem with 'England'. Interesting though that you have no apparent problem with the US and even not with CCCP/Mothr Russia.

Besides, don't forget to deduct:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/uk-foreign-aid-budget_uk_57d953afe4b00f741735477f
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Official_Development_Assistance_received
http://www.theweek.co.uk/63394/how-much-does-the-uk-spend-on-foreign-aid
Let's count those anuals up, say, from just after WW2 untill now.

Pakistan
http://www.globalhumanitarianassistance.org/countryprofile/pakistan
http://www.globalhumanitarianassistance.org/countryprofile/pakistan#tab-donors
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-handouts-despite-having-space-programme.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_Pakistan
https://www.cgdev.org/page/aid-pakistan-numbers

India
http://www.globalhumanitarianassistance.org/countryprofile/india
http://www.globalhumanitarianassistance.org/countryprofile/india#tab-donors
https://www.theguardian.com/global-...ays-department-international-development-dfid
https://www.jstor.org/stable/4407935?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Kenya
http://www.globalhumanitarianassistance.org/countryprofile/kenya/
http://www.globalhumanitarianassistance.org/countryprofile/kenya/#tab-donors