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Brief History – Impact Of Indian Foreign Policy On Pak-US Military Relations

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As Pakistan controlled the escalation ladder and time & space between 26th February and 27th by decisive dominance, Indian reaction was not surprising that instead of conceding and accepting the loss, they started to build a narrative against Pakistan’s, allegedly, use of F-16 aircrafts and officially claimed that an F-16 was downed by WC Abhinandan’s MiG-21. As a proof they showed an AMRAAM piece which was refuted immediately. Later, Foreign Policy Magazine shoot down Indian claim of downing a Pakistani F-16 and DG ISPR hammered the last nail in Indian claims coffin by showing the MiG-21’s all intact missiles.

Keeping aside the way Indian Air Force was used as a tool for BJP’s xenophobic and jingoistic Election propaganda that Modi is the only Messiah who has come to succor Indian nation against the threat of “bleeding India with thousand cuts”, question is, as to why India is so keen to prove that F-16s were used and downed as well? Funny, it seemed that India wanted to go on war with Pakistan at its own terms, dictating Pakistan as to which equipment was supposed to be used against her and which could not. Is the claim of downing a Pakistani F-16 really, just, to salvage the lost pride in front of domestic audience or there is a ‘method in this madness’ to keep Pakistan deprived of technology and advanced defense equipment by crying ‘foul’? I believe in later.

Let’s discuss the historic perspective on India’s harping on same string in front of USA about use of her arms against Pakistan. Indian concerns (read: propaganda) regarding Pakistan receiving American weapons is not a recent phenomenon. This has been an essential part of India’s foreign policy, for decades.

When M.C Chagla was appointed as Indian Ambassador to US in 1958, his one of the major tasks was to convince US government to put an embargo on weapon sale to Pakistan. Reminiscing his duties as ambassador, he writes in his Autobiography, Roses In December,

And I would have to point out the dire consequences of the policy pursued by the United States in entering into a defence pact with Pakistan and supplying arms to her, something that only resulted in neutralizing the effect of the economic aid which the United States was giving us, since the supply of arms to Pakistan compelled us to spend more on our own armaments, in fact to enter into a regular arms race with that country. For although the arms had been supplied by the United States to Pakistan on the clear understanding that these were only intended to be used in the fight against communism, Pakistan had made it clear that if the necessity arose she would not hesitate to use them against India.

At another instance, MC Chagla elaborates the same Indian rhetoric or position on Pakistan’s arms pact with US.

The usual questions about India and Pakistan were asked, and my answer was that it largely depended upon American policy whether normal relations prevailed between India and Pakistan. “If you will only realize what the real consequences of military aid to Pakistan are, you will start thinking afresh about the question. It is not only I who say this, but some of your most eminent thinkers have said it. Mr. Harriman calls it starting a race of armaments between India and Pakistan.’ Lippmann has been saying the same thing. Therefore it is up to you, and the press here, to realize the importance of reducing tension between India and Pakistan.”

When Mr. Durga Das, a diarist, in his book criticized Mc Chagla that he made speeches against Pakistan in order to gain publicity for himself, Chagla refuted him in his autobiography in these words,

With regard to my speeches about Pakistan, Mr. Durga Das forgets that one of the main objects of my mission in the United States was to explain to the Americans the nature of Indo-Pak relations, and to show the harm that the American Government was causing by a continuous supply of arms to Pakistan.

Later MC Chagla was made Minister of External Affairs in November 1966. He served at this position till September 1967. During this tenure whenever he had to deal with Pakistani affairs, he took up the issue of US arms being sold to Pakistan. While recalling his ‘Pakistan Policy’, in his autobiography, Chagla emphasized on US arms sale to Pakistan, criticized US policies with regards to Pakistan, Chinese Threat and Pakistan potentially falling into Chinese orbit, as below:

Throughout this period there was considerable anxiety, both in Parliament and in public about the decision of the United States to resume arms supplies to Pakistan. It is really difficult to understand U.S. policy with regard to Pakistan. It makes no sense on any rational consideration. The U.S. knew that Pakistan had used American arms against India in the 1965 conflict. It also knew or ought to know that a strong democratic India is essential for peace in this part of the world, and also to help guard against the Chinese threat. She realizes that the arming of Pakistan must result in an arms race between the two countries. And while America was giving considerable economic aid to our country, it was at the same time taking action which cannot but compel us to divert a considerable part of our revenues from nation-building activities to defence purposes. It seems to me that there are two reasons underlying American policy, both of which are untenable. In the first place, America wants to balance India s strength by having a strong Pakistan as a neighbour. But this balancing theory has never worked, and can never work. India with her tremendous resources and enormous potentialities, with a large population and area, must always be stronger than her neighbour. The second reason is to prevent Pakistan edging nearer and nearer the Chinese, and finally falling into China’s orbit. It is difficult to understand how the Chinese embrace of Pakistan could be closer or tighter than it already is, or indeed how the two can be wholly driven apart. Sino-Pakistan relations are governed by geography and the logic of power politics. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Pakistan wants Chinese friendship as much as she wants American or Russian friendship. She also plays a balancing game of her own. As long as Pakistan insists on regarding India as her enemy, so long would she be compelled to have a special relationship with China. This is common sense. We made strong representations to the United States on the resumption of arms aid and we also pointed out that the arms supplied by America to her allies, particularly Turkey and Iran, were also being transferred to Pakistan. But our protests were of no avail, and the usual unsatisfactory assurances were given which were not worth the paper on which they were recorded.

Even when Mr. Chagla, visited Iran, he took up the issue of arms being sold to Pakistan. He pens down:

…When I met the Foreign Minister we discussed the question of arms aid to Pakistan. As this became a matter of considerable controversy afterwards…

Humiliated and surprised by the Pakistan’s “Operation Swift Retort”, Modi was trying to regain some face saving when he spoke at the award ceremony for the Shanti Swarup Bhatnagar Prize for Science and Technology in New Delhi and quipped that a “pilot project” was over and “real project” would be conducted now. What exactly was the “pilot project” and which real project is going to be conducted now, would be the subject matter of concerned and ‘subject matter’ experts would definitely be pondering upon, however, one can infer from India’s foreign policy objectives, as per veteran (late) Mr. Chagla, that one of the projects of putting a ban on US arms’ sale to Pakistan has been achieved, already. The project of selling India’s democracy as essential to world’s peace and China as threat seems not to be working, for now, since BRI has become the biggest club of the world’s collective wisdom after UNO and Pakistan is already in Chinese orbit.

Referring to the post 27 February 2019 statements from Indian Airforce regarding Pakistan’s use of F-16 and false claims of even downing the same contain such a stark similarity with the ones referred to as part of duty of Indian Ambassador in 1958. This only shows that it has been one of India’s Foreign Policy’s objectives to raise fingers on arms sale to Pakistan and it has been successful in it since Pakistan is not a ‘preferred’ customer of American weapons, anymore. This might have not been possible without India’s continuous lobbying against Pakistan in Washington.

India’s one of the next goals is to become permanent member of UNSC and has continuously been lobbying for that for decades now. Pakistan’s Foreign Office has an uphill task in front of it.
 
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As Pakistan controlled the escalation ladder and time & space between 26th February and 27th by decisive dominance, Indian reaction was not surprising that instead of conceding and accepting the loss, they started to build a narrative against Pakistan’s, allegedly, use of F-16 aircrafts and officially claimed that an F-16 was downed by WC Abhinandan’s MiG-21. As a proof they showed an AMRAAM piece which was refuted immediately. Later, Foreign Policy Magazine shoot down Indian claim of downing a Pakistani F-16 and DG ISPR hammered the last nail in Indian claims coffin by showing the MiG-21’s all intact missiles.

Keeping aside the way Indian Air Force was used as a tool for BJP’s xenophobic and jingoistic Election propaganda that Modi is the only Messiah who has come to succor Indian nation against the threat of “bleeding India with thousand cuts”, question is, as to why India is so keen to prove that F-16s were used and downed as well? Funny, it seemed that India wanted to go on war with Pakistan at its own terms, dictating Pakistan as to which equipment was supposed to be used against her and which could not. Is the claim of downing a Pakistani F-16 really, just, to salvage the lost pride in front of domestic audience or there is a ‘method in this madness’ to keep Pakistan deprived of technology and advanced defense equipment by crying ‘foul’? I believe in later.

Let’s discuss the historic perspective on India’s harping on same string in front of USA about use of her arms against Pakistan. Indian concerns (read: propaganda) regarding Pakistan receiving American weapons is not a recent phenomenon. This has been an essential part of India’s foreign policy, for decades.

When M.C Chagla was appointed as Indian Ambassador to US in 1958, his one of the major tasks was to convince US government to put an embargo on weapon sale to Pakistan. Reminiscing his duties as ambassador, he writes in his Autobiography, Roses In December,

And I would have to point out the dire consequences of the policy pursued by the United States in entering into a defence pact with Pakistan and supplying arms to her, something that only resulted in neutralizing the effect of the economic aid which the United States was giving us, since the supply of arms to Pakistan compelled us to spend more on our own armaments, in fact to enter into a regular arms race with that country. For although the arms had been supplied by the United States to Pakistan on the clear understanding that these were only intended to be used in the fight against communism, Pakistan had made it clear that if the necessity arose she would not hesitate to use them against India.

At another instance, MC Chagla elaborates the same Indian rhetoric or position on Pakistan’s arms pact with US.

The usual questions about India and Pakistan were asked, and my answer was that it largely depended upon American policy whether normal relations prevailed between India and Pakistan. “If you will only realize what the real consequences of military aid to Pakistan are, you will start thinking afresh about the question. It is not only I who say this, but some of your most eminent thinkers have said it. Mr. Harriman calls it starting a race of armaments between India and Pakistan.’ Lippmann has been saying the same thing. Therefore it is up to you, and the press here, to realize the importance of reducing tension between India and Pakistan.”

When Mr. Durga Das, a diarist, in his book criticized Mc Chagla that he made speeches against Pakistan in order to gain publicity for himself, Chagla refuted him in his autobiography in these words,

With regard to my speeches about Pakistan, Mr. Durga Das forgets that one of the main objects of my mission in the United States was to explain to the Americans the nature of Indo-Pak relations, and to show the harm that the American Government was causing by a continuous supply of arms to Pakistan.

Later MC Chagla was made Minister of External Affairs in November 1966. He served at this position till September 1967. During this tenure whenever he had to deal with Pakistani affairs, he took up the issue of US arms being sold to Pakistan. While recalling his ‘Pakistan Policy’, in his autobiography, Chagla emphasized on US arms sale to Pakistan, criticized US policies with regards to Pakistan, Chinese Threat and Pakistan potentially falling into Chinese orbit, as below:

Throughout this period there was considerable anxiety, both in Parliament and in public about the decision of the United States to resume arms supplies to Pakistan. It is really difficult to understand U.S. policy with regard to Pakistan. It makes no sense on any rational consideration. The U.S. knew that Pakistan had used American arms against India in the 1965 conflict. It also knew or ought to know that a strong democratic India is essential for peace in this part of the world, and also to help guard against the Chinese threat. She realizes that the arming of Pakistan must result in an arms race between the two countries. And while America was giving considerable economic aid to our country, it was at the same time taking action which cannot but compel us to divert a considerable part of our revenues from nation-building activities to defence purposes. It seems to me that there are two reasons underlying American policy, both of which are untenable. In the first place, America wants to balance India s strength by having a strong Pakistan as a neighbour. But this balancing theory has never worked, and can never work. India with her tremendous resources and enormous potentialities, with a large population and area, must always be stronger than her neighbour. The second reason is to prevent Pakistan edging nearer and nearer the Chinese, and finally falling into China’s orbit. It is difficult to understand how the Chinese embrace of Pakistan could be closer or tighter than it already is, or indeed how the two can be wholly driven apart. Sino-Pakistan relations are governed by geography and the logic of power politics. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Pakistan wants Chinese friendship as much as she wants American or Russian friendship. She also plays a balancing game of her own. As long as Pakistan insists on regarding India as her enemy, so long would she be compelled to have a special relationship with China. This is common sense. We made strong representations to the United States on the resumption of arms aid and we also pointed out that the arms supplied by America to her allies, particularly Turkey and Iran, were also being transferred to Pakistan. But our protests were of no avail, and the usual unsatisfactory assurances were given which were not worth the paper on which they were recorded.

Even when Mr. Chagla, visited Iran, he took up the issue of arms being sold to Pakistan. He pens down:

…When I met the Foreign Minister we discussed the question of arms aid to Pakistan. As this became a matter of considerable controversy afterwards…

Humiliated and surprised by the Pakistan’s “Operation Swift Retort”, Modi was trying to regain some face saving when he spoke at the award ceremony for the Shanti Swarup Bhatnagar Prize for Science and Technology in New Delhi and quipped that a “pilot project” was over and “real project” would be conducted now. What exactly was the “pilot project” and which real project is going to be conducted now, would be the subject matter of concerned and ‘subject matter’ experts would definitely be pondering upon, however, one can infer from India’s foreign policy objectives, as per veteran (late) Mr. Chagla, that one of the projects of putting a ban on US arms’ sale to Pakistan has been achieved, already. The project of selling India’s democracy as essential to world’s peace and China as threat seems not to be working, for now, since BRI has become the biggest club of the world’s collective wisdom after UNO and Pakistan is already in Chinese orbit.

Referring to the post 27 February 2019 statements from Indian Airforce regarding Pakistan’s use of F-16 and false claims of even downing the same contain such a stark similarity with the ones referred to as part of duty of Indian Ambassador in 1958. This only shows that it has been one of India’s Foreign Policy’s objectives to raise fingers on arms sale to Pakistan and it has been successful in it since Pakistan is not a ‘preferred’ customer of American weapons, anymore. This might have not been possible without India’s continuous lobbying against Pakistan in Washington.

India’s one of the next goals is to become permanent member of UNSC and has continuously been lobbying for that for decades now. Pakistan’s Foreign Office has an uphill task in front of it.
As Pakistan controlled the escalation ladder and time & space between 26th February and 27th by decisive dominance, Indian reaction was not surprising that instead of conceding and accepting the loss, they started to build a narrative against Pakistan’s, allegedly, use of F-16 aircrafts and officially claimed that an F-16 was downed by WC Abhinandan’s MiG-21. As a proof they showed an AMRAAM piece which was refuted immediately. Later, Foreign Policy Magazine shoot down Indian claim of downing a Pakistani F-16 and DG ISPR hammered the last nail in Indian claims coffin by showing the MiG-21’s all intact missiles.

Keeping aside the way Indian Air Force was used as a tool for BJP’s xenophobic and jingoistic Election propaganda that Modi is the only Messiah who has come to succor Indian nation against the threat of “bleeding India with thousand cuts”, question is, as to why India is so keen to prove that F-16s were used and downed as well? Funny, it seemed that India wanted to go on war with Pakistan at its own terms, dictating Pakistan as to which equipment was supposed to be used against her and which could not. Is the claim of downing a Pakistani F-16 really, just, to salvage the lost pride in front of domestic audience or there is a ‘method in this madness’ to keep Pakistan deprived of technology and advanced defense equipment by crying ‘foul’? I believe in later.

Let’s discuss the historic perspective on India’s harping on same string in front of USA about use of her arms against Pakistan. Indian concerns (read: propaganda) regarding Pakistan receiving American weapons is not a recent phenomenon. This has been an essential part of India’s foreign policy, for decades.

When M.C Chagla was appointed as Indian Ambassador to US in 1958, his one of the major tasks was to convince US government to put an embargo on weapon sale to Pakistan. Reminiscing his duties as ambassador, he writes in his Autobiography, Roses In December,

And I would have to point out the dire consequences of the policy pursued by the United States in entering into a defence pact with Pakistan and supplying arms to her, something that only resulted in neutralizing the effect of the economic aid which the United States was giving us, since the supply of arms to Pakistan compelled us to spend more on our own armaments, in fact to enter into a regular arms race with that country. For although the arms had been supplied by the United States to Pakistan on the clear understanding that these were only intended to be used in the fight against communism, Pakistan had made it clear that if the necessity arose she would not hesitate to use them against India.

At another instance, MC Chagla elaborates the same Indian rhetoric or position on Pakistan’s arms pact with US.

The usual questions about India and Pakistan were asked, and my answer was that it largely depended upon American policy whether normal relations prevailed between India and Pakistan. “If you will only realize what the real consequences of military aid to Pakistan are, you will start thinking afresh about the question. It is not only I who say this, but some of your most eminent thinkers have said it. Mr. Harriman calls it starting a race of armaments between India and Pakistan.’ Lippmann has been saying the same thing. Therefore it is up to you, and the press here, to realize the importance of reducing tension between India and Pakistan.”

When Mr. Durga Das, a diarist, in his book criticized Mc Chagla that he made speeches against Pakistan in order to gain publicity for himself, Chagla refuted him in his autobiography in these words,

With regard to my speeches about Pakistan, Mr. Durga Das forgets that one of the main objects of my mission in the United States was to explain to the Americans the nature of Indo-Pak relations, and to show the harm that the American Government was causing by a continuous supply of arms to Pakistan.

Later MC Chagla was made Minister of External Affairs in November 1966. He served at this position till September 1967. During this tenure whenever he had to deal with Pakistani affairs, he took up the issue of US arms being sold to Pakistan. While recalling his ‘Pakistan Policy’, in his autobiography, Chagla emphasized on US arms sale to Pakistan, criticized US policies with regards to Pakistan, Chinese Threat and Pakistan potentially falling into Chinese orbit, as below:

Throughout this period there was considerable anxiety, both in Parliament and in public about the decision of the United States to resume arms supplies to Pakistan. It is really difficult to understand U.S. policy with regard to Pakistan. It makes no sense on any rational consideration. The U.S. knew that Pakistan had used American arms against India in the 1965 conflict. It also knew or ought to know that a strong democratic India is essential for peace in this part of the world, and also to help guard against the Chinese threat. She realizes that the arming of Pakistan must result in an arms race between the two countries. And while America was giving considerable economic aid to our country, it was at the same time taking action which cannot but compel us to divert a considerable part of our revenues from nation-building activities to defence purposes. It seems to me that there are two reasons underlying American policy, both of which are untenable. In the first place, America wants to balance India s strength by having a strong Pakistan as a neighbour. But this balancing theory has never worked, and can never work. India with her tremendous resources and enormous potentialities, with a large population and area, must always be stronger than her neighbour. The second reason is to prevent Pakistan edging nearer and nearer the Chinese, and finally falling into China’s orbit. It is difficult to understand how the Chinese embrace of Pakistan could be closer or tighter than it already is, or indeed how the two can be wholly driven apart. Sino-Pakistan relations are governed by geography and the logic of power politics. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Pakistan wants Chinese friendship as much as she wants American or Russian friendship. She also plays a balancing game of her own. As long as Pakistan insists on regarding India as her enemy, so long would she be compelled to have a special relationship with China. This is common sense. We made strong representations to the United States on the resumption of arms aid and we also pointed out that the arms supplied by America to her allies, particularly Turkey and Iran, were also being transferred to Pakistan. But our protests were of no avail, and the usual unsatisfactory assurances were given which were not worth the paper on which they were recorded.

Even when Mr. Chagla, visited Iran, he took up the issue of arms being sold to Pakistan. He pens down:

…When I met the Foreign Minister we discussed the question of arms aid to Pakistan. As this became a matter of considerable controversy afterwards…

Humiliated and surprised by the Pakistan’s “Operation Swift Retort”, Modi was trying to regain some face saving when he spoke at the award ceremony for the Shanti Swarup Bhatnagar Prize for Science and Technology in New Delhi and quipped that a “pilot project” was over and “real project” would be conducted now. What exactly was the “pilot project” and which real project is going to be conducted now, would be the subject matter of concerned and ‘subject matter’ experts would definitely be pondering upon, however, one can infer from India’s foreign policy objectives, as per veteran (late) Mr. Chagla, that one of the projects of putting a ban on US arms’ sale to Pakistan has been achieved, already. The project of selling India’s democracy as essential to world’s peace and China as threat seems not to be working, for now, since BRI has become the biggest club of the world’s collective wisdom after UNO and Pakistan is already in Chinese orbit.

Referring to the post 27 February 2019 statements from Indian Airforce regarding Pakistan’s use of F-16 and false claims of even downing the same contain such a stark similarity with the ones referred to as part of duty of Indian Ambassador in 1958. This only shows that it has been one of India’s Foreign Policy’s objectives to raise fingers on arms sale to Pakistan and it has been successful in it since Pakistan is not a ‘preferred’ customer of American weapons, anymore. This might have not been possible without India’s continuous lobbying against Pakistan in Washington.

India’s one of the next goals is to become permanent member of UNSC and has continuously been lobbying for that for decades now. Pakistan’s Foreign Office has an uphill task in front of it.

Not sure why you’re so surprised that India would use its diplomatic status and leverage to cut Pakistan off from US arms supply. If we can deny Pakistan one less F-16, that’s one less weapons platform we have to deal with. We learned our lesson when the US turned a blind eye to the Pak nuclear program that has become an obvious headache for India. So we are simply trying not to be fooled twice.

If India and Pak are enemies, why would we leave cards on the table in our quest to defeat our enemy?
Somehow you believe that there are rules to this game and Pakistan is the one defining them.
Let’s make one thing clear, it’s not like Pakistan has not been crying hoarse about Arms sales to India. The problem is, Pakistan is in no position to dictate, nor has the leverage or influence to drive such considerations to countries wanting to sell arms to India.
If you could, you would.

Too much obsession with us

As long as your nuclear weapons are pointed towards us, we will continue to be obsessed with our security vis a vis Pakistan.
Not sure why we should be ashamed at that lol
In fact would be stupid to take that threat lightly
 
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As long as your nuclear weapons are pointed towards us, we will continue to be obsessed with our security vis a vis Pakistan.
Not sure why we should be ashamed at that lol
In fact would be stupid to take that threat lightly
As you people have developed N.weapons first so how come we are the aggressors here
 
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As you people have developed N.weapons first so how come we are the aggressors here

We have a no first use policy in place that’s public and international.
Makes us defensive in our mindset from a usage standpoint.
Can Pakistan say the same regarding its nukes and India?
 
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We have a no first use policy in place that’s public and international.
Makes us defensive in our mindset from a usage standpoint.
Can Pakistan say the same regarding its nukes and India?
Not sure if you have read the full blog .. It has been India's policy since beginning, when Pakistan wasn't even thinking of building nuclear arsenal.. as per the blog as ear;y as 1958.. when it was Chagla foremost duty to convince American's not sell arms to Pakistan..

It is not security issue ... it is simply a try to create her hegemony in the region which Pakistan refuses to accept unlike Bangladesh, Nepal etc.. Pakistan's arms are for deterrence, defense and for peace in the region.. US is no more supplying arms to us still we managed to shoot down two Indian jets SU-30 MKI and MiG 21 by our homemade JF-17s.. you keep trying
 
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Too much obsession with us

Yep. That's why someone has written a blog piece about India's influenza in a Pakistani news site. But yes, India is obsessed. :sarcastic::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:

Not sure if you have read the full blog .. It has been India's policy since beginning, when Pakistan wasn't even thinking of building nuclear arsenal.. as per the blog as ear;y as 1958.. when it was Chagla foremost duty to convince American's not sell arms to Pakistan..

It is not security issue ... it is simply a try to create her hegemony in the region which Pakistan refuses to accept unlike Bangladesh, Nepal etc.. Pakistan's arms are for deterrence, defense and for peace in the region.. US is no more supplying arms to us still we managed to shoot down two Indian jets SU-30 MKI and MiG 21 by our homemade JF-17s.. you keep trying

You sure about the highlighted ??? I think history as well as many eminent historians from even Pakistan deny this. They say almost all conflict between India and Pakistan was initiated by the later. So much for deterrence. :woot:
 
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Not sure if you have read the full blog .. It has been India's policy since beginning, when Pakistan wasn't even thinking of building nuclear arsenal.. as per the blog as ear;y as 1958.. when it was Chagla foremost duty to convince American's not sell arms to Pakistan..

Read the blog and I’ve responded to this point. Why would India not deny weapons to its enemy using whatever influence it has in the west? And why should this come as surprise? Or for that matter should be something we as Indians should feel bad about?

If we go by history, Pakistan has been known in 47, 65 and 99 to aggress against India. A lot of that has to do with being emboldened by American support during the Cold War and arms supply of top notch American weaponry.
Denying arms to Pakistan then actually prevents an arms race and serves as a diplomatic deterrence. So pretty sure I understand and agree with Mr. Chagla and the Indian govts approach to appeal Americans to curb arms exports to Pakistan.

It’s a matter of perspective. We think Pakistan should not be emboldened to believe that it can aggress against other states piggy backed on American arms sales.


It is not security issue ... it is simply a try to create her hegemony in the region which Pakistan refuses to accept unlike Bangladesh, Nepal etc.. Pakistan's arms are for deterrence, defense and for peace in the region.. US is no more supplying arms to us still we managed to shoot down two Indian jets SU-30 MKI and MiG 21 by our homemade JF-17s.. you keep trying

Hegemony?
I want to understand this point Pakistanis keep harping about.
What exactly do you believe India wants to achieve here?
Maintaining Kashmir as our land is hegemony? How or when has India used its military to bully Nepal or BD? Can you shed light on this?

If we wanted to bully you, we would not have a defensive approach to our nuclear policy. We wouldn’t be investing so heavily in defensive weapons such as PAD and S-400.
On the other hand, Pakistan has made it a point to create offensive weapons that can be a nuclear trigger such as the NASR. LR Cruise missiles. All offensive weapons, NOT Defensive!
None of this shows that Pakistan wants peace, more that it wants to inflict damage to a point that it leads to nuclear war.

How much has Pakistan invested in an indegenous air defense system? Why hasn’t Pakistan researched or tested in an indigenous ballistic missile defense program? Wouldn’t that be an indication of your defensive posture?
Why cruise missiles and offensive Tactical ballistic missiles instead?
Why are your nukes pointed at India? Why not use a no first use policy?

Your words don’t match your actions Sir, which is why it’s hard to take this blog or your comments here seriously.
 
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Not sure why you’re so surprised that India would use its diplomatic status and leverage to cut Pakistan off from US arms supply. If we can deny Pakistan one less F-16, that’s one less weapons platform we have to deal with. We learned our lesson when the US turned a blind eye to the Pak nuclear program that has become an obvious headache for India. So we are simply trying not to be fooled twice.

If India and Pak are enemies, why would we leave cards on the table in our quest to defeat our enemy?
Somehow you believe that there are rules to this game and Pakistan is the one defining them.
Let’s make one thing clear, it’s not like Pakistan has not been crying hoarse about Arms sales to India. The problem is, Pakistan is in no position to dictate, nor has the leverage or influence to drive such considerations to countries wanting to sell arms to India.
If you could, you would.

IMO preventing arm sales to pakistan is more effective than buying weapons to fight pakistan
 
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Yep. That's why someone has written a blog piece about India's influenza in a Pakistani news site. But yes, India is obsessed. :sarcastic::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:



You sure about the highlighted ??? I think history as well as many eminent historians from even Pakistan deny this. They say almost all conflict between India and Pakistan was initiated by the later. So much for deterrence. :woot:
blog is just to give an insight into history as to who has been obsessed since its inception diplomatically .. Indian Ambassadors to US have this mission to deny arms to Pakistan.. Pakistan has been subject to Indian naked aggression be it Siachin, be it creation of Bangladesh or be it failed attacks on Balakot .. if Pakistan didn't have minimum deterrence on 26th the matter would have been different .. if Pakistan didn't have the capability India couldn't have been given message on 27 when Pakistan shot down its two aircrafts.. This is what India doesn't want that without sophisticated arms Pakistan to be pressurized.. your neta Subramanian and terrorist RSS has so many times vowed to break Pakistan into four .. US arms or no US arms... Pakistan will have to have minimum deterrence to face a hostile neighbor..

Read the blog and I’ve responded to this point. Why would India not deny weapons to its enemy using whatever influence it has in the west? And why should this come as surprise? Or for that matter should be something we as Indians should feel bad about?

If we go by history, Pakistan has been known in 47, 65 and 99 to aggress against India. A lot of that has to do with being emboldened by American support during the Cold War and arms supply of top notch American weaponry.
Denying arms to Pakistan then actually prevents an arms race and serves as a diplomatic deterrence. So pretty sure I understand and agree with Mr. Chagla and the Indian govts approach to appeal Americans to curb arms exports to Pakistan.

It’s a matter of perspective. We think Pakistan should not be emboldened to believe that it can aggress against other states piggy backed on American arms sales.




Hegemony?
I want to understand this point Pakistanis keep harping about.
What exactly do you believe India wants to achieve here?
Maintaining Kashmir as our land is hegemony? How or when has India used its military to bully Nepal or BD? Can you shed light on this?

If we wanted to bully you, we would not have a defensive approach to our nuclear policy. We wouldn’t be investing so heavily in defensive weapons such as PAD and S-400.
On the other hand, Pakistan has made it a point to create offensive weapons that can be a nuclear trigger such as the NASR. LR Cruise missiles. All offensive weapons, NOT Defensive!
None of this shows that Pakistan wants peace, more that it wants to inflict damage to a point that it leads to nuclear war.

How much has Pakistan invested in an indegenous air defense system? Why hasn’t Pakistan researched or tested in an indigenous ballistic missile defense program? Wouldn’t that be an indication of your defensive posture?
Why cruise missiles and offensive Tactical ballistic missiles instead?
Why are your nukes pointed at India? Why not use a no first use policy?

Your words don’t match your actions Sir, which is why it’s hard to take this blog or your comments here seriously.

this kind of hegemony https://www.thecitizen.in/index.php...ckade--India-Cuts-Off-Vital-Supplies-To-Nepal
and lol... our weapons are defensive and your weapons are offensive.. that's why Modi said that it was pilot project and real project is coming .. that's why India and terrorist RSS led BJP continously vows to break Pakistan.. that's why India does a naked aggression on Pakistan and after defeat Modi says that if they had Rafael things would have been different .. India remains the largest arms importer, that what India has invested in the indigenous arms productions. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...lobal-arms-importers/articleshow/68364304.cms
so how can Pakistan be oblivious to her defense.. and FYI Pakistan killed Su-30 MKI and MiG 21 by JF-17 Thunder -- a Made in Pakistan aircraft!!!.. Pakistan's weapons are in its defense only.. but being a smaller country Pakistan has no option to maintain the escalation ladder and keep the first strike.. If pakistan's nukes are pointed towards Indian (which is a far fetched verbose), againt who India is piling up arms?

IMO preventing arm sales to pakistan is more effective than buying weapons to fight pakistan
your opinion is absolutely wrong ... even after US put an embargo on weapons sale to Pakistan situation is this..
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...lobal-arms-importers/articleshow/68364304.cms and that's when India's most of population defecates in open.. toilet banao bomb nahin ...
 
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Yep. That's why someone has written a blog piece about India's influenza in a Pakistani news site. But yes, India is obsessed.
At least our politics and policies are not based on you

We have a no first use policy in place that’s public and international.
Makes us defensive in our mindset from a usage standpoint.
Can Pakistan say the same regarding its nukes and India?
Wooo Wooo hold your horses here, why would we let india to dictate our foreign policy or any policy
 
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At least our politics and policies are not based on you

An entire country and generations after generations are lost because of THEIR India centric policies. The writing is everywhere on the wall, but the irony is some people don't want to read that. LOL :lol::lol::lol:
 
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An entire country and generations after generations are lost because of THEIR India centric policies. The writing is everywhere on the wall, but the irony is some people don't want to read that. LOL :lol::lol::lol:
this blog itself rips apart your very claim.. It is India whose whole foreign policy revolves around containing Pakistan economically, socially and militarily.. while India has the largest population without toilets, home to second largest population of poor and THE largest population of illiterates.. Epic Fail..
 
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