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BREAKING NEWS: Traced calls confirm RAW's involvement in Safoora Chowrangi massacre

This is what the Pakistani Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry said:

He also talked about the bus attack in Karachi and said if RAW was found involved in the massacre of Ismailis, Pakistan would take up the issue in all international forums.

He also touched upon the Karachi bus attack during the informal conversation, saying that it is too early to confirm the involvement of Islamic State militant group.
“IS involvement in the attack cannot be established on the basis of a pamphlet purportedly left by the assailants inside the targeted bus. However, security agencies are investigating the attack,” he said.

All this after accusing RAW of formenting terrorism in Pakistan - general, not specifics......

Then the Pakistani Foreign office spokesperson goes on to say this:

Qazi Khalil Ullah said Pakistan welcomes the positive statements coming from India. He noted the cricket matches between the two countries have always brought the peoples of two countries close to each other. It is our desire to play the cricket series against India, he added.

Does that sound logical coming from a country that just accused India of terrorism. Maybe it's not regarded as a big deal in Pakistan, unlike in India where the 2008 attacks have kept cricket on the back burner for the last 7 years.
 
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Now this is what in essence is pot calling the kettle black, do you even understand the meaning of the term hype !!!
Let me make it easy for you, it's when you start plucking birds out of thin air and accuse them of spying and post pictures of some innocent businessmen and alarm your public into a frenzy....but i guess you can also term it paranoia. Unlike your bankrupt minded leaders who play with their public's sentiments, credit goes to the GOP for not creating what you call a hype by not releasing any details to the masses but only to the culprits across the border.
piece of crap.
 
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Is that even a phrase ?? Or did they teach you along with Wind Jamming Techniques !!
It must be the effect of a certain cola exclusive to you people which has even made you one.
Brutally Honest: How bankrupt can a mindset become?
Neglecting the bold part. It's called transparency (Do find a dictionary to get it's meaning). And it's a virtue only achieved when you don't have your hands dirty and solid evidence is available. Any moron can bark along saying "Humare pass saboot hai !!". But the proof of the pudding is in eating. Show your "proof" to the world, if your big dady USA dose not accept it. Make it public. Let everyone know about it. But I know along with everyone world wide that GOP won't .Why ? When you bluff, you cannot show your real cards.
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Swapping a saree with a skirt doesn't exactly qualify you as an English tutor. We have enough rondos barking across the border without any substance. In the days when Bharti Basanti was in bed with Mr Moscow, your so called bid daddy USA did make a lot of noise about WMD, I guess in your dark world of thoughts, US then is the right source to deliver justice, how long have you been acting the drama queen by playing the victim to the same big daddy, did it serve your purpose. This is an issue between two parties, the culprit has been given the proof, has your Netas denied it....it's even been confirmed that Afghanistan is being used as the launching pad and proof handed to that government.

piece of crap.
Can't help you if that's lodged in your upper crust.
 
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That is your assertion. Zero evidence to that effect. Only statements are by Pakistanis on TV, not one statement otherwise. Contrast it with numerous statements from across the world about Pakistan's involvement with terrorism. Your claims are not taken seriously by anyone, it's why Kerry dismissed it on Pakistani soil when asked.

This was about the time when your media was going bonkers about this "proof" having been presented to the U.S.


This is what the world thinks of your latest claims....

What lies behind Pakistani charges of Indian 'terrorism'
By M Ilyas Khan BBC News, Islamabad
  • 6 May 2015

Why would Pakistan's army accuse Indian intelligence of "whipping up terrorism" in Pakistan?

The accusation levelled at India's Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) came in a statement issued by the army's media wing. There was no mention of any specific incident, but privately military officials have been blaming India for involvement in a separatist insurgency in Pakistan's south-western province of Balochistan.

Many say it is probably the first time a Pakistani authority outside political or diplomatic spheres has publicly named an Indian institution in this manner.

They see this assertiveness as a sign of the Pakistani army's growing willingness to be seen to be dictating the country's foreign and national security policies.

It comes as the army tries to face the triple threat of the Pakistani Taliban, Baloch insurgents and a complicated mix of urban crime, ethnic, linguistic, religious, sectarian and political rivalries in the country's biggest city, Karachi.

It also indicates a toughening of Pakistan's position against India at a time when the Pakistani army is emerging as one of the chief guarantors of peace in Afghanistan, in partnership with China.

Any failure to deliver on this score is likely to weaken Afghan President Ashraf Ghani, an apparent ally of Pakistan, and strengthen pro-India forces in Kabul.

Conversely, any arm-twisting by the military to force the Afghan Taliban to the dialogue table may antagonise them and thereby deprive Islamabad of a proxy to check the spread of Indian influence in Afghanistan.

Pakistan has long accused India of fuelling insurgency in Balochistan. Officials say Indian spies are operating through a network of Indian missions dotting southern and eastern Afghanistan, where most Baloch insurgents are also based.

The military believes India also has involvement in Karachi, Pakistan's largest and most volatile city. This suggestion comes from a recent claim by a senior police officer - believed to be the mouthpiece of the military - that RAW helped a Karachi-based party.

Observers say the Pakistani army has been soft-pedalling in the fight against the Afghan Taliban as well as anti-India militant groups based in Pakistan, but it has come down hard on Baloch insurgents and political activists.

Over the years, hundreds of Baloch activists have gone missing, most of them turning up dead on the streets or across the vast wilderness of the province. Locals blame all these disappearances and killings on the army and its surrogate groups, a charge the army denies.

More recently, however, it has moved more openly to curb movement and debate by Baloch rights activists.

In March, authorities at Karachi airport stopped three Baloch activists from proceeding to New York to participate in a seminar on human rights violations in Balochistan and Sindh province.

One of them was Mama Qadeer, a 70-year-old Baloch rights activist who shot to fame when he walked 3,000km (1,860 miles) from Quetta to Islamabad last year to protest over killings in Balochistan.

In April, two men introducing themselves as ISI operatives handed a written "order" to the management of Lahore University of Management Sciences (LUMS), asking it to cancel a talk which featured Mama Qadeer.

While LUMS gave in, on 25 April a similar talk went ahead at The Second Floor (T2F), a tea house-cum-book store in Karachi, despite what some activists claim were "warnings" not to hold the event.

Within an hour, the moderator of that talk and head of T2F, Sabeen Mehmud, 40, was shot dead by unknown gunmen while driving home in her car.

The incident sparked protests across the country, with civil society groups and several newspaper columnists accusing the ISI directly or more subtly for the murder.

The pressure grew so much that the army had to issue a separate statement condemning Ms Mehmud's murder, apparently to distance itself from the incident.

Many believe the army's latest statement about RAW may be equally meant to deflect this wave of public criticism.

What lies behind Pakistani charges of Indian 'terrorism' - BBC News


Need I need to remind you what Chuck heagle said ? Or are we going to play game of sharing selective truth

Now this grinds my gear. Who are you guys ?? Are you people any way special [Yes you are special as in ppl with special needs ] ?? You ppl want every thing, you want world to work according to you or else you show your victim card. How much do you ppl need things to be handed down to you. This is what happens when your fore fathers spent ages begging alms, initially from invaders then from modern day IMF.
You ppl have very sick, degenerated way of thinking .
You will shout from roof tops monkey god, elephant headed god and what not but some cartoonist draws a cartoon you say "I Keeeeel You" !!
You abuse your minorities with Blasphamy laws, abduct them, force wed and generally disrespect a hindu country by sending beef, you don't apologize. Don't even think of it as a problem. But when a cracker is made out of arabic news papers, you cry foul saying its Kuran and say "I Keeeeel You" !!
You guys have killed millions abroad, its your karma paying you back. Shut up and accept it.
When your people die then you understand pain, then it's real deal. When our die, it's a false flag.
This is Bigoted. And you know what I was reprimanded for showing the mirror. "Avenge it" Do you even know how many people died in mumbai alone due to your countries sick mentality. Think if we asked for revenge. To put it gently, holocaust would look like an traffic accident compared to what would have happened. But saner minds prevailed. I advise you to do the same.


Is that even a phrase ?? Or did they teach you along with Wind Jamming Techniques !!
Neglecting the bold part. It's called transparency (Do find a dictionary to get it's meaning). And it's a virtue only achieved when you don't have your hands dirty and solid evidence is available. Any moron can bark along saying "Humare pass saboot hai !!". But the proof of the pudding is in eating. Show your "proof" to the world, if your big dady USA dose not accept it. Make it public. Let everyone know about it. But I know along with everyone world wide that GOP won't .Why ? When you bluff, you cannot show your real cards.

Sir, Why provide it to USA alone ?? Why not just "leak" it to the press ?? Or just provide it to Mr. Snowden. He will see to it that everyone knows it.

Why we want to put our assets and agents in place by leaking evidences to public ?
 
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Need I need to remind you what Chuck heagle said ? Or are we going to play game of sharing selective truth

:lol: No I don't require reminding. Been puncturing that specific claim from a long time. What exactly did Chuck Hagel say? That India was "financing problems"? You can read anything to that vague statement but it requires a big leap to claim it as proof of terrorism support.

More importantly when did Mr.Chuck Hagel say it? In 2011.....when he held no office whatsoever, let alone the office of the Secretary of Defense. Essentially a quote from a private individual.....means absolutely nothing. Especially when you consider how vague even the original statement was.
 
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Need I need to remind you what Chuck heagle said ? Or are we going to play game of sharing selective truth



Why we want to put our assets and agents in place by leaking evidences to public ?


But I have question, why would IS(arabs) listen to Indians and hit an Islamic republic with Majority of Sunni. A lot of things are not clear. If it was TTP then one might have believed blind folded but IS.
 
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:lol: No I don't require reminding. Been puncturing that specific claim from a long time. What exactly did Chuck Hagel say? That India was "financing problems"? You can read anything to that vague statement but it requires a big leap to claim it as proof of terrorism support.

More importantly when did Mr.Chuck Hagel say it? In 2011.....when he held no office whatsoever, let alone the office of the Secretary of Defense. Essentially a quote from a private individual.....means absolutely nothing. Especially when you consider how vague even the original statement was.

Do you have proof Pakistan and america supported Afghan mujhaddien ? Could you have proved their involvement in 80's ?
 
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Seriously !!!
What took them so long to come up with brilliant research?
No sir you are champion in that, your country within few minutes declares ISI involvements within few minutes of any mishap.
 
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Revenge was sought but boys failed in Kabul. This is my belief. That Kabul siege was to knock out Indian envoy as a return gift for whatever happened in Khi.
Oh yeah. And they killed Pakistani in the processing of return gift. Nice work by your boys, i must say.
 
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Oh yeah. And they killed Pakistani in the processing of return gift. Nice work by your boys, i must say.
2 Pakistanis 4 Indians and 3 americans. Doesn't your RAW kill your own people and blame it on Pakistan? Don't be childish.
 
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piece of crap.
Piece of crap, just like your immature media spitting against ISI and Pakistan every now n then, we know there are about one billion piece of crPs living at our eastern border who are trying their level best to de stabilise Pakistan. Bloody piece of crap.
 
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Piece of crap, just like your immature media spitting against ISI and Pakistan every now n then, we know there are about one billion piece of crPs living at our eastern border who are trying their level best to de stabilise Pakistan. Bloody piece of crap.
Hold it there comrade. What if those billion craps start flowing in Indus?:bunny:

2 Pakistanis 4 Indians and 3 americans. Doesn't your RAW kill your own people and blame it on Pakistan? Don't be childish.
No, Unlike what you think. RAW is busy doing a lot of other stuff than killing. That is your home grown islamic extremist, who are taking care of you.
 
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Do you have proof Pakistan and america supported Afghan mujhaddien ? Could you have proved their involvement in 80's ?

That wouldn't have been difficult, it was the stated position of the U.S.

The point here is something different.
You claim that there is proof - maybe there is or maybe there isn't. Even you can't say for sure since no proof has been made public.

To say that it has been given to many, including India for which there is absolutely no proof but it does destroy your claim that it cannot be made public since what possible logic would there be to hide information from the Pakistani & international press & people which you have, supposedly, handed over to India.
 
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