BREAKING NEWS: problem solved in 3rd flag meeting

[Sher Malang]

Any pictoral proof of Afghan posts being destroyed?

Au contraire the Afghans claim 40 FC were killed. So may we assume 3 - 4 on either side?

They have nothing to show and are desperately doing everything to revive the gone honor by posting years old ANA causalities and reports on higher ANSF causalities which has nothing to do with chaman clashes

Watch this short video and see captured APCs, pickup trucks and destroyed hill top posts of Pakistani forces by Afghan border police.

https://www.-.com/AfghanLatest/videos/723322951190483/

^replace dash with 'facebook' above.

 

[Sher Malang]

I have seen it all .... I would like them to explain to me how did they achieve 50 casualties knowing the defences (or lack of) in the region and sparse deployment of troops - something they blame ANA for allowing militants to sneak in.

The destroyed Pakistani post is in the below video not the above.

 

[saiyan0321]

Anyways, I am only seeing claims without a shard of evidence here. On the contrary, there is a picture of a FC Armored Car apparently is being circulated

You are aware of the incident right and its technicalities. The census teams are accompanied by one or two or four FC men and in sensitive areas like FATA the teams use APCs to avoid being targeted.

Anyhow the villages are under our control and the third flag meeting has reached a conclusion to demarcate the border along geological surveys and Google map. We suggested this in the second meeting when the afghan rep were asking us to hand over the villages and showing us their maps. They called for a ceasefire and the talks. Anyhow the situation is sensitive right now and quite frankly war like. Never the less let's hope it ends.

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

I know that. So would you say that 50 is possible, without a wider confrontation? Would you not agree that both sides have heavily exaggerated their claims yet have done the sensible thing to diffuse?

Anyways, I am only seeing claims without a shard of evidence here. On the contrary, there is a picture of a FC Armored Car apparently is being circulated



I have seen it all .... I would like them to explain to me how did they achieve 50 casualties knowing the defences (or lack of) in the region and sparse deployment of troops - something they blame ANA for allowing militants to sneak in.

read the posts of @Spring Onion on the day incident occurs . She also stated 30 -40 casuallities (from her sources ) which was latter confirmed by IG FC .A correct artillery attack or special force raid can easily take out 40 -50 soldiers . Remember Taliban slaughtered 200 afghan soldiers while here we are talking about PA which has every thing at its disposal .as for as territory is concerned , villages will stay with Pakistan . remember we kept angoor ada for very very long time .

 

[Hellfire]

You are aware of the incident right and its technicalities. The census teams are accompanied by one or two or four FC men and in sensitive areas like FATA the teams use APCs to avoid being targeted.

Anyhow the villages are under our control and the third flag meeting has reached a conclusion to demarcate the border along geological surveys and Google map. We suggested this in the second meeting when the afghan rep were asking us to hand over the villages and showing us their maps. They called for a ceasefire and the talks. Anyhow the situation is sensitive right now and quite frankly war like. Never the less let's hope it ends.

I am aware

That is why you see me engaging the people here

read the posts of @Spring Onion on the day incident occurs . She also stated 30 -40 casuallities (from her sources ) which was latter confirmed by IG FC .A correct artillery attack or special force raid can easily take out 40 -50 soldiers . Remember Taliban slaughtered 200 afghan soldiers while here we are talking about PA which has every thing at its disposal .as for as territory is concerned , villages will stay with Pakistan . remember we kept angoor ada for very very long time .

I can give you a counter narrative too. Trust me, have done it earlier also.

The figures are grossly exaggerated on either side ... both sides suffered a needless count of casualties under a score each.

And please .. for the bold highlighted part .... you have no clue how well versed am I in those aspects.

However, you can elaborate on:

1. How is a parallel of an attack on military base during lunch-afternoon prayer time correlated to an open 'battle field' in terms of expected casualty rates?

2. So what did Pakistan do? An artillery barrage on ANA soldiers clustered into a field in open ground? Or a SF raid across multiple points the whole day? Or were the ANA in a groupe sitting for SF units to come in and slaughter them?

3. What additional resources? Are you hinting the role of PAF like a member was shooting off here? Do you understand the likelihood of that? Do you think PAF will be allowed to violate Afghani airspace?

 

[saiyan0321]

I am aware

That is why you see me engaging the people here

Well pop on the main thread. Its 63 pages long but some posts are fascinating. As for casualties. Hmm the thing is I have faith in spring onion and I don't so easily have faith in social media posters. She has been accurate and very informed on our western border. Very very informed and her news has been supported by even khamma news but then again casualty figures but then again she got the casualty figure on torkham incident two days ago on the spot.

Never the less. The civilian stories from killi luqman have been gut wrenching.

I would talk in great detail but quite frankly after following this incident for three to four days and sacrificing my weekend, I have nothing more to add. The third flag meeting has ended with agreed terms. The villages will remain in out control. They will make a few statements and everybody will forget about it.

This is just like what happened at torkham in 2016. They said no gate is being built but it was built and its there. It was a mess.

Oh by the way. Afghan air space I don't think has been violated here but according to their media, analyst, officials and people we voilate it repeatedly and do operations. Not me saying. Them. I think they wanted to launch complaint at UN as well. Well they want to launch it here too.

Enjoy the engagement but do answer my query in the other thread.

 

[Spring Onion]

inshort they started it due to wrong maps. They need punishment from their cocaine suppliers for not teaching them well.

There was no mistake or wrong maps all this is excuse by these suwars. These ANA idiots was feeling some kharish in their @$$es hence they started firing at civilians.

These pigs cannot defend their own country against Taliban so such star plus dramas are needed for them to get some sympathy against Pakistan.

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

Do you think PAF will be allowed to violate Afghani airspace?

PAF have voilated and even bombed afghan territory multiple times . ssg have also conducted multiple strikes in afghan area.

• 12 January 2012 - Pakistani Special Forces Troops from elite Special Services Group entered 4 to 5 km deep inside Afghan borders from Lower Dir area in pursuit of militants. Afghan Forces opened fire in retaliation, 11 Afghan Soldiers were killed in the exchange of fire. Pakistan immediately withdrew without any casualties. Afghanistan also blamed SSG Commandos for taking away the body of a killed Afghan Army Major.
• 8 June 2013 - Pakistan Army Aviation Bell AH-1 Cobra Gunship Helicopters crossed the border from North Waziristan into Paktia and hit 3 TTP Targets before returning.
• 20 December 2014 - JF-17 Thunders from Pakistan Air Force Western Air Command Flew into Afghanistan in Kunar Province and reportedly hit 27 Targets. Air Strikes were carried out in three phases throughout the Night and reportedly 50 militants were killed. An Afghan soldier was also killed when an Afghan mobile Patrol was mistakenly identified as a militant vehicle by Pakistani Aircraft, SSG was also sent in to get the bodies of as many militants as possible. ANA Troops did not retaliate to the Pakistani Aircraft as the Ministry of Defence (Afghanistan) directed not to engage Pakistani Forces.
• https://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&...mishes&usg=AFQjCNEp8ykf4dXNuLfGs9yOjogLBcM6Fg
  
  

  2. So what did Pakistan do? An artillery barrage on ANA soldiers clustered into a field in open ground? Or a SF raid across multiple points the whole day? Or were the ANA in a groupe sitting for SF units to come in and slaughter them?

  it can be mix of artillery and SF raid since FC operates its own Special forces .

 

[Dhara]

They are puppets of Bharat.

No Sir,

Afghanistan is the last country on planet earth to accept Pakistan as a sovereign country.

And Yes, R&AW playing hard to involve Pakistan in Afghanistan.

 

[Hellfire]

PAF have voilated and even bombed afghan territory multiple times . ssg have also conducted multiple strikes in afghan area.

• 12 January 2012 - Pakistani Special Forces Troops from elite Special Services Group entered 4 to 5 km deep inside Afghan borders from Lower Dir area in pursuit of militants. Afghan Forces opened fire in retaliation, 11 Afghan Soldiers were killed in the exchange of fire. Pakistan immediately withdrew without any casualties. Afghanistan also blamed SSG Commandos for taking away the body of a killed Afghan Army Major.
• 8 June 2013 - Pakistan Army Aviation Bell AH-1 Cobra Gunship Helicopters crossed the border from North Waziristan into Paktia and hit 3 TTP Targets before returning.
• 20 December 2014 - JF-17 Thunders from Pakistan Air Force Western Air Command Flew into Afghanistan in Kunar Province and reportedly hit 27 Targets. Air Strikes were carried out in three phases throughout the Night and reportedly 50 militants were killed. An Afghan soldier was also killed when an Afghan mobile Patrol was mistakenly identified as a militant vehicle by Pakistani Aircraft, SSG was also sent in to get the bodies of as many militants as possible. ANA Troops did not retaliate to the Pakistani Aircraft as the Ministry of Defence (Afghanistan) directed not to engage Pakistani Forces.
• https://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiqw4nj19_TAhXDMY8KHRXiCvcQFggrMAI&url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan%E2%80%93Pakistan_skirmishes&usg=AFQjCNEp8ykf4dXNuLfGs9yOjogLBcM6Fg
  
  
  it can be mix of artillery and SF raid since FC operates its own Special forces .

Were these air strikes against ANA? Were they carried out against Afghan National Army/Government elements or against Terror groups? If the latter, were they not after due coordination with US and Afghan government?

Did these raids result in this casualty figure you have quoted?

Think hard before posting.

 

[Vapnope]

They have nothing to show and are desperately doing everything to revive the gone honor by posting years old ANA causalities and reports on higher ANSF causalities which has nothing to do with chaman clashes

So Afghan border police is capable to take on PA but well geared ANA cannot stopl a rag tag militia like taliban from seizing territory in Afghanistan !

I am yet to understand the tall claims that Pakistan backed out from attack position in Afghanistan. Would you mind telling me what is the fear that is stopping pakistan to heat up the things in that area?

 

[Dhara]

Were these air strikes against ANA? Were they carried out against Afghan National Army/Government elements or against Terror groups? If the latter, were they not after due coordination with US and Afghan government?

Did these raids result in this casualty figure you have quoted?

Think hard before posting.

ANA is no more good then militia, bloody drug smugglers....so no matter Pakistan conducted strikes against them or Taliban both are same.

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

Were these air strikes against ANA? Were they carried out against Afghan National Army/Government elements or against Terror groups? If the latter, were they not after due coordination with US and Afghan government?

Did these raids result in this casualty figure you have quoted?

Think hard before posting.

first u said , PAF will not be allowed to even violate afghan territory .it is a test case .we have done it before and can do it any time at our will . read my post again . 11 ana soldiers was killed in one air strike and their vehicle was destroyed in another air strike by JF 17 and Cobra ( even though mistakenly ) . it is a kind of test case . It shows the limits to which we can escalate the situation . i am thinking hard but u should also use your sense before making baseless and absurd assumptions .

 

[Super Falcon]

Uterly stupid ashraf ghani said he will never visit Pak agar after these clashes and yet it is their mistake now pakistan should ask more 5 I'm of Afghan border land in Pak as the punishment if u won't punish evil enemy u r not going anywhere they will do it again

PAF should give these *** *** hole weekly Sonic boom from F 16

 

[F86 Saber]

Were these air strikes against ANA? Were they carried out against Afghan National Army/Government elements or against Terror groups? If the latter, were they not after due coordination with US and Afghan government?

Did these raids result in this casualty figure you have quoted?

Think hard before posting.

The story is, ANA crossed over into two villages which are well within Pakistani territory and fired at the FC personnel accompanying the census team and killed 14 people including civilians 12 civilians and 2 FC personnel. Pakistan Army was summoned to clear ANA out which was done efficiently. The battle was close quarters hence we could actually count how many we killed, Pakistan Army suffered no casualties during the cleanup. This is coming from someone who was there, now you can believe whatever you want.