Breaking | Indian soldier arrested by Pakistan

[AbhimanyuShrivastav]

He should be fed, treated if hurt and reunited with Indian forces at the flag meeting.

Pakistan and India are lucky, in the fact that such incidents end in a pleasant exchange with neither side going against the Geneva convention. Had this been in South Korean solider straying over to the North, he would never be seen again.

Some of the posts in this thread are downright flaming.

This is what happens when people can indulge in war without the fear of hurt (like on internet). War become painless and rampant, like you see on this forum. Soldier who really do have to go thru war are much more peace loving and sane.

 

[Screambowl]

he might have been attending nature's call near Chenab inside Pakistani territory

but I am sure as he does not belong to the army, he will be returned since it is a case of accident and natural calamity.

 

[SQ8]

The word is used minus it's religious significance in India. We also have the concept of Veergati(Valiant death). The intended message is his defiance and courage in death during service to the Nation, with no allusions to his religion.



I'm sorry, but you made no sense there. Could you be much more clear about what you meant?

The word has its origins in the religion. You cant have it without the other. The Shaheed is one who gives (Shahahdat) testifies to the Kalimah. I think the term Veergati should be made more common.

 

[Indischer]

The word has its origins in the religion. You cant have it without the other. The Shaheed is one who gives (Shahahdat) testifies to the Kalimah. I think the term Veergati should be made more common.

Veergati is used just as frequently as Shaheed. But owing to the secular credentials of the Army, Urdu/Persian words are used quite liberally as well. For example, the artillery regiment's motto is Sarvatra Izzat o Iqbal, rather strange mix of Sanskrit and Urdu.

 

[SQ8]

Veergati is used just as frequently as Shaheed. But owing to the secular credentials of the Army, Urdu/Persian words are used quite liberally as well. For example, the artillery regiment's motto is Sarvatra Izzat o Iqbal, rather strange mix of Sanskrit and Urdu.

Not necessarily, it has its roots within the Mughal Artillery .

 

[Indischer]

Not necessarily, it has its roots within the Mughal Artillery .

Didn't know about Mughal artillery regiments using Sanskrit words in their motto. You sure about this?

 

[SQ8]

Didn't know about Mughal artillery regiments using Sanskrit words in their motto. You sure about this?

Correction, was on the Mughals for some reason. The Motto comes from the British Artillery motto "Where right and glory lead".
So the words Izzat o Iqbal replaced them which is Persian. There was a move to replace that with Hindi or Sanskrit, save for the decision of Gen Sinhi. So essentially, these too should be changed as it was the wish of the government then to "Indianize" them.

The Sanksrit is only Sarvatra.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

The word has its origins in the religion. You cant have it without the other. The Shaheed is one who gives (Shahahdat) testifies to the Kalimah. I think the term Veergati should be made more common.

Generally speaking, Indians (esp in the Services) are comfortable using either expression; because the do not attach any 'religious' connotations to the usage. Even devout Servicemen do not make any religious references easily; esp in matters related to their Service.
Of course usage of the term 'Veergati' gained currency only post-independence and somewhere around the 1970s as I can recall. But all said and done, the Indian Armed Forces (esp the Army) has spoken and used a language which was known as Hindustani as rather different from Hindi "officialese" which is more common in bureaucracy or 'babudom'. The difference being the content of Sanskritised words respectively. Just as the Armed Forces used the Roman Script far more than the Devanagari Script till that same period.

So till this day; even common folks (civilians) will use 'shaheed' or 'shahadat' without making any connection to Kalimah or any religious practices, while 'veergati' is finding greater official usage.
Similarly 'dehshatvaadi' or 'dehshatgardi' is used as much colloquially as 'aatankvaadi'. Few people will bother with differentiating between them. While "officialese" has swung towards 'aatankvaadi'.

 

[AbhimanyuShrivastav]

I'm not sure from where exactly you are thinking but this is common knowledge even here on the forum. Snipers extracted a suitable revenge. If you don't know about that, ask some of your compatriots who do.

I keep hearing references to this without any details. Can you point?

 

[JonAsad]

A few posts after the one you responded to, you will see the same thing said by your countryman, and my response.

And few posts later I have responded aswell- -

 

[shiv]

He should be fed, treated if hurt and reunited with Indian forces at the flag meeting.

Pakistan and India are lucky, in the fact that such incidents end in a pleasant exchange with neither side going against the Geneva convention. Had this been in South Korean solider straying over to the North, he would never be seen again.

Some of the posts in this thread are downright flaming.

@waz i always liked your well balanced posts

 

[waz]

@waz i always liked your well balanced posts

Thanks Shiv yaar.

 

[That Guy]

He'll be questioned and handed back to India eventually.

 

[Chak Bamu]

A couple of posters thread banned. One troll Banned. Keep it civil. The best defense is not to offend.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Balochistan was always India. It was gateway to Sindh, first invaded and conquered by Arabs under Mohd. Bin Qasim. When did you invade the rest of india? You seem confused, friend... or do you mean that you are subjugated by your own countrymen?


On a forum like this, you must have a tough job cleaning. Since it does get emotional sometimes, its only natural. A couple of warning before a ban should be welcomed by all. Anyways I respect your rules, its just a suggestion.

Listen. Likes of you do not make our job any easier for us. When you write without bothering to check your facts, you end up churning a lot of needless debate.

I am going to delete your post, because you are continuing with OT without reason. I will, however, like to inform you that you are way off with your remark about Baluchistan. Baluchis live on both sides of the Gulf and in Pakistan. They are not what you claim them to be. Hope that helps.