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BREAKING: Cypher Is Leaked By Someone In Pak Military!!

The timing of the release was a nicely crafted surgical strike on the army leadership duffers… let’s see where things go from here… they don’t look pretty coming out of this as doublt on what was received has now been removed.

How can it be this easy for a nuclear armed country to be regime changed. How do we know if the order to remove IK didn't come through India by proxy? This has opened a can of worms and a lot of questions will begin to be asked.

All I know is to act on the behest of a foreign power to remove your PM is treachery of the highest order. There must be consequences.
 
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How can it be this easy for a nuclear armed country to be regime changed. How do we know if the order to remove IK didn't come through India by proxy? This has opened a can of worms and a lot of questions will begin to be asked.

All I know is to act on the behest of a foreign power to remove your PM is treachery of the highest order. There must be consequences.

exactly - this stink is gonna be difficult for the Army leadership to wash off as it is the worst kind of stink. It underlies concept of no leadership or respect for and to the people of Pakistan. This was treason… pure and simple. A hanging offence…
 
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Why not email private citizen Bajwa, he'll tell you.

It's him being blunt as it is said in the article, on the trajectory of Pak-US relations. I'm not saying its diplomatic talk nor that it was unsanctioned by the US Govt, all I'm saying is that the nature of the conversation was very frank.

'All these events', what events are you referring to that show not circumstantial but DIRECT evidence of US involvement in orchestrating this. I really want to know.

I'm not doing any mental gymnastics, I'm simply overly summarizing the supposed leaked diplomatic cable.
Only bumbling idiots use email for highly sensitive communications, leaving a damning paper trail. With face to face conversation, there's at least some plausible deniability to keep you sheep onboard and content.
 
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@Jango cat is out the hat .... Bajwa need to be impeached ...Biden administration on defensive mode .... viva Trump ....lolll
 
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Ironically this validates the ruling of Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri to dismiss the Vote-of-No-Confidence until investigation on the foreign conspiracy. During the last days of PTI, its dissents were visiting US embassy. One must wonder what policy matters US officials wanted to discuss with Raja Riaz and company.

This also clearly makes Supreme court judgement INCORRECT for conducting Vote of Confidence without investigating the Cypher. The bias judges like Qazi Faez Isa played their negative role too.

The investigation was critical. Otherwise you were playing the part in foreign involvement and this means Pakistani govts can be toppled by foreign elements without any investigation locally. PTI and IK were so consistent and were asking several times to not betray your country and do the investigation. But seems everyone played their part in regime change op. People who were exposing it initially were assassinated like Arshad Shareef.
 
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Adil Raja belonged to the same military and came out of same PMA. I think he dramatize / sensationalize too much. I don't like such commentators. You just have to stick with facts and analyze it without sensationalism or long shots.

Anyways, there is no secret in the translated copy of Cypher anymore. No confidential code is leaked. The contents of this letter were already discussed to death and its in Pakistan's national interest to highlight it so no country should ever again try to poke in our internal matters and Army above all should not start panicking and do regime change ops for foreign masters. They should leave the matters of FP to educated people in foreign office.

Agree. Pagal Punjabi Adil Raja is doing disservice to armed forces and settling his hate filled personal vendetta. Did u hear what Adil Raja said in Punjabi language with huge laugh, "Pakki pakki yaari layi hai i.e. with US", then he abused military official, "thordi aisi ki thesi ". saying Army command is in bed with US orders, as permanent servants.

Why its really bad for Army and ISI, that as per the OP, Military man leaked it first, and then it clearly shows, Army / ISI on orders from Chief Bajwa did actually did the Regime change operations against Imran Khan Govt. on foreign powers behest, threats and planning with PDM Shariffs and Zardaris. Understand the deep games played in Pakistan, Pakistan is no easy place.

The timing of the release was a nicely crafted surgical strike on the army duffers… let’s see where things go from here… they don’t look pretty coming out of this as doublt on what was received has now been removed.

Future things will be constant political instability, infighting in Pakistan, more reactions, more economic instability, and eventually a broken down weak Pakistan, ready to be taken and abused by multiple foreign powers. Pakistan can not have neutral independent policy. Allah(swt) protect this unfortunate country.
 
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PDM doggies along with handlers tried thier best to downplay the Cipher incident and make Imran the liar, but it's proven the Cipher is real.

After this episode the Army's reputation has been severely damaged.
 
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It was obvious for me when I listened to Bajwa's speech on a security conference last year 2nd April 2022. No details of Cypher or anything like that had happened yet. But the panic on Bajwa's face was evident. The way he critisized Russia and did a 180 degree reversal on the policy. Poor guy could not handle a little US pressure. I recalled how General Musharraf was literally shaking on televised speech to the nation describing that Pakistan's face 1971 like situation and accepted all demands of the US. (However that time Musharraf's panic is justifiable as US was really pissed and wanted to bring hell to its enemies. Also it was the lone super-power by far and not had to worry on China or Russia.)

World changed a lot in last 20 years but our Generals never adapted to the new world. The new world is bi-polar world. When US left Afghanistan, Biden said that we don't want to be distracted and we want to be laser focused on China. In such a world, you don't have to fear United States that you tremble in your voice like what Bajwa was doing. Instead shaking and sweating our Generals should leave the matter of foreign policy to more educated folks. Foreign policy in the hands of GHQ is a total disaster.
Musharraf was the original pussy chutiya who paved the way for all subsequent pussies of the napak sepoys...

Have you ever seen any panic on the faces of North Korean and Iranian leaders...
 
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Just cannot imagine this pagal crazy Punjabi Major Adil Raja would be rejoicing this cypher leak - which harms Pakistani interests in the long term giving severe bad name to Army & ISI.

Adil Raja is an anarchist, enough evidence that he acts like a traitor from UK:


Honest Assessment is :

Reading the Cypher, Clearly the then Pakistani Military Establishment and even ex-PM Imran Khan were just working to protect Pakistani interests by having independent policy decisions and staying neutral so that long term have better relations with Russia too, nothing wrong in that having independent policy which the US didnot like at all. Infact Imran Khan as PM spoke truth to its 25 crore people on that day.

What is worrying is the leak of this document and those defending that the Cypher does not exist, including PDM, media, part of the gang within Pakistan, trust of diplomatic relations is broken. Shocking is the leak. This Cypher should not have leaked where anti-state agencies and political gains on Pakistan's interests are compromised. Lack of a severe security platform in Pakistan.
Yeah, the entity committing the crime is doing no harm, but those highlighting the crime are doing the harm.
 
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Musharraf was the original pussy chutiya who paved the way for all subsequent pussies of the napak sepoys...

Have you ever seen any panic on the faces of North Korean and Iranian leaders...
Musharraf was legit. That time the threat was real and most of the world had aligned with the US and also Pak got billions in aid.
 
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Below is the original Cypher text published online. The Authors of the website are challenging govt officials of Pakistan to prove them wrong if this is incorrect OR sue them. PDM and their paid journalists are in severe panic as all the time they claimed that Cypher was fake and it found out to be true.

Source: https://theintercept.com/2023/08/09/imran-khan-pakistan-cypher-ukraine-russia/

Cypher translation: (This is Amb. Majeed message to Islamabad about his meeting with Donald Lu)

I had a luncheon meeting today with Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia, Donald Lu. He was accompanied by Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Les Viguerie. DCM, DA and Counsellor Qasim joined me.

At the outset, Don referred to Pakistan’s position on the Ukraine crisis and said that “people here and in Europe are quite concerned about why Pakistan is taking such an aggressively neutral position (on Ukraine), if such a position is even possible. It does not seem such a neutral stand to us.” He shared that in his discussions with the NSC, “it seems quite clear that this is the Prime Minister’s policy.” He continued that he was of the view that this was “tied to the current political dramas in Islamabad that he (Prime Minister) needs and is trying to show a public face.” I replied that this was not a correct reading of the situation as Pakistan’s position on Ukraine was a result of intense interagency consultations. Pakistan had never resorted to conducting diplomacy in public sphere. The Prime Minister’s remarks during a political rally were in reaction to the public letter by European Ambassadors in Islamabad which was against diplomatic etiquette and protocol. Any political leader, whether in Pakistan or the U.S., would be constrained to give a public reply in such a situation.

I asked Don if the reason for a strong U.S. reaction was Pakistan’s abstention in the voting in the UNGA. He categorically replied in the negative and said that it was due to the Prime Minister’s visit to Moscow. He said that “I think if the no-confidence vote against the Prime Minister succeeds, all will be forgiven in Washington because the Russia visit is being looked at as a decision by the Prime Minister. Otherwise, I think it will be tough going ahead.” He paused and then said “I cannot tell how this will be seen by Europe but I suspect their reaction will be similar.” He then said that “honestly I think isolation of the Prime Minister will become very strong from Europe and the United States.” Don further commented that it seemed that the Prime Minister’s visit to Moscow was planned during the Beijing Olympics and there was an attempt by the Prime Minister to meet Putin which was not successful and then this idea was hatched that he would go to Moscow.

I told Don that this was a completely misinformed and wrong perception. The visit to Moscow had been in the works for at least few years and was the result of a deliberative institutional process. I stressed that when the Prime Minister was flying to Moscow, Russian invasion of Ukraine had not started and there was still hope for a peaceful resolution. I also pointed out that leaders of European countries were also traveling to Moscow around the same time. Don interjected that “those visits were specifically for seeking resolution of the Ukraine standoff while the Prime Minister’s visit was for bilateral economic reasons.” I drew his attention to the fact that the Prime Minister clearly regretted the situation while being in Moscow and had hoped for diplomacy to work. The Prime Minister’s visit, I stressed, was purely in the bilateral context and should not be seen either as a condonation or endorsement of Russia’s action against Ukraine. I said that our position is dictated by our desire to keep the channels of communication with all sides open. Our subsequent statements at the UN and by our Spokesperson spelled that out clearly, while reaffirming our commitment to the principle of UN Charter, non-use or threat of use of force, sovereignty and territorial integrity of States, and pacific settlement of disputes.

I also told Don that Pakistan was worried of how the Ukraine crisis would play out in the context of Afghanistan. We had paid a very high price due to the long-term impact of this conflict. Our priority was to have peace and stability in Afghanistan, for which it was imperative to have cooperation and coordination with all major powers, including Russia. From this perspective as well, keeping the channels of communication open was essential. This factor was also dictating our position on the Ukraine crisis. On my reference to the upcoming Extended Troika meeting in Beijing, Don replied that there were still ongoing discussions in Washington on whether the U.S. should attend the Extended Troika meeting or the upcoming Antalya meeting on Afghanistan with Russian representatives in attendance, as the U.S. focus right now was to discuss only Ukraine with Russia. I replied that this was exactly what we were afraid of. We did not want the Ukraine crisis to divert focus away from Afghanistan. Don did not comment.

I told Don that just like him, I would also convey our perspective in a forthright manner. I said that over the past one year, we had been consistently sensing reluctance on the part of the U.S. leadership to engage with our leadership. This reluctance had created a perception in Pakistan that we were being ignored and even taken for granted. There was also a feeling that while the U.S. expected Pakistan’s support on all issues that were important to the U.S., it did not reciprocate and we do not see much U.S. support on issues of concern for Pakistan, particularly on Kashmir. I said that it was extremely important to have functioning channels of communication at the highest level to remove such perception. I also said that we were surprised that if our position on the Ukraine crisis was so important for the U.S., why the U.S. had not engaged with us at the top leadership level prior to the Moscow visit and even when the UN was scheduled to vote. (The State Department had raised it at the DCM level.) Pakistan valued continued high-level engagement and for this reason the Foreign Minister sought to speak with Secretary Blinken to personally explain Pakistan’s position and perspective on the Ukraine crisis. The call has not materialized yet. Don replied that the thinking in Washington was that given the current political turmoil in Pakistan, this was not the right time for such engagement and it could wait till the political situation in Pakistan settled down.

I reiterated our position that countries should not be made to choose sides in a complex situation like the Ukraine crisis and stressed the need for having active bilateral communications at the political leadership level. Don replied that “you have conveyed your position clearly and I will take it back to my leadership.”

I also told Don that we had seen his defence of the Indian position on the Ukraine crisis during the recently held Senate Sub-Committee hearing on U.S.-India relations. It seemed that the U.S. was applying different criteria for India and Pakistan. Don responded that the U.S. lawmakers’ strong feelings about India’s abstentions in the UNSC and UNGA came out clearly during the hearing. I said that from the hearing, it appeared that the U.S. expected more from India than Pakistan, yet it appeared to be more concerned about Pakistan’s position. Don was evasive and responded that Washington looked at the U.S.-India relationship very much through the lens of what was happening in China. He added that while India had a close relationship with Moscow, “I think we will actually see a change in India’s policy once all Indian students are out of Ukraine.”

I expressed the hope that the issue of the Prime Minister’s visit to Russia will not impact our bilateral ties. Don replied that “I would argue that it has already created a dent in the relationship from our perspective. Let us wait for a few days to see whether the political situation changes, which would mean that we would not have a big disagreement about this issue and the dent would go away very quickly. Otherwise, we will have to confront this issue head on and decide how to manage it.”

We also discussed Afghanistan and other issues pertaining to bilateral ties. A separate communication follows on that part of our conversation.

Assessment

Don could not have conveyed such a strong demarche without the express approval of the White House, to which he referred repeatedly. Clearly, Don spoke out of turn on Pakistan’s internal political process. We need to seriously reflect on this and consider making an appropriate demarche to the U.S. Cd’ A a.i in Islamabad.


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Finally STATE DEPARTMENT acknowledges the Cypher. A SLAP on all pakistani Lifafa journalists and PDM supporters.


It is possible the Pakistani Army in desperation dumped Imran Khan to score brownie points with USA. Except what is in for America if Imran Khan gets thrown out. Imran Khan or no Imran Khan you still have to run to the IMF and suck up to the powers in charge.
 
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Musharraf was legit. That time the threat was real and most of the world had aligned with the US and also Pak got billions in aid.
Musharraf was a pussy of the highest order and a shamless secular degenerate. Tiny Lebanon and non-nuclear Turkey were other countries that US tried to arm twist around the same time to support their war of terror, but rebuffed US...

What would have US done, imposed sanctions on Pakistan? That would have harmed the elites and military more than the people.
 
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Musharraf was the original pussy chutiya who paved the way for all subsequent pussies of the napak sepoys...

Have you ever seen any panic on the faces of North Korean and Iranian leaders...

In all fairness North Koreans and Iranians would not get entangled with any Al Qaeda activity

Musharraf was a pussy of the highest order and a shamless secular degenerate. Tiny Lebanon and non-nuclear Turkey were other countries that US tried to arm twist around the same time to support their war of terror, but rebuffed US...

What would have US done, imposed sanctions on Pakistan? That would have harmed the elites and military more than the people.

Pakistani ruling class is petrified of American alliance with India. Don't ask me why :-)
 
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