BrahMos-ER test fired for the first time at 450 km range.

[The SC]

For range extension you need to make changes to the guidance. The guidance was developed in India. The Russians have nothing to do with it. The seeker had no part to play in this.

Su-30MKI was also modified in India without Russian assistance to carry the Brahmos. In fact, HAL beat the Russians in a competition for this.

I thought it was a change in the engine not the seeker for extending a missile range !?
What about the MTCR (Missile Technology Control Regime)?

 

[Indika]

Of course it was. But this @Storm Force Guy says India is feeding Russia and if India stops buying russian mal others can fill the void. That is totally ungrateful behavior. Firstly, no country will help you how much Russians are. For mere setting up production line of Rafael how much French dragged you lot.

Other than china , India is the country which gives big ticket deals to russia which nearly finances the R&D of defence companies.
Probably if they expand to include clients with lot of cash like saudis , Indias clout might reduce. If not for Indian deals they would have to shut down some their programs. Then ppl will simply go & work for china.

 

[Super Commando Dhruva]

I thought it was a change in the engine not the seeker for extending a missile range !?
What about the MTCR (Missile Technology Control Regime)?

your right, MTCR allows you to make missiles more than 290 km range. the main system is propulsion system (russian) Guidance system takes it to its destination which is equally important. but if we do not have the engine its of no use.

 

[kṣamā]

How long are we gonna discuss this. We had everything to get this puppy to 800km. It was just an obligation to "test" it said range. It's like before we signed MTCR let's just test it for 300km or less. After that we can test it for incremental ranges as fast as we can book the test ranges for. We already have the tech needed to get it there in-house quit a few years back. And the range issue should not be big issue. We have not seen Composit-ification like the A-series.

I am eager to see the hypergliding brahmos. They should be come up with some prototype testing in next few months. That is if I am not mistaken.

 

[Safriz]

How long are we gonna discuss this. We had everything to get this puppy to 800km. It was just an obligation to "test" it said range. It's like before we signed MTCR let's just test it for 300km or less. After that we can test it for incremental ranges as fast as we can book the test ranges for. We already have the tech needed to get it there in-house quit a few years back. And the range issue should not be big issue. We have not seen Composit-ification like the A-series.

I am eager to see the hypergliding brahmos. They should be come up with some prototype testing in next few months. That is if I am not mistaken.

But it already glides . The big wings are the clue? All cruise missiles glide.

 

[Mitro]

So did they increase the size of the missile or did they put some gas saver device so it's good on gas [emoji618]️ omg or did they reduce the firepower to increase the range or it's just bs to entert domestic audience.

 

[Safriz]

So did they increase the size of the missile or did they put some gas saver device so it's good on gas [emoji618]️ omg or did they reduce the firepower to increase the range or it's just bs to entert domestic audience.

The range of Brahmos was limited by software alone. It even carried the fuel for the full range

 

[Avon]

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[randomradio]

I thought it was a change in the engine not the seeker for extending a missile range !?

No, the range was software locked. And we created the software for that.

What about the MTCR (Missile Technology Control Regime)?

We are part of MTCR now. MTCR countries can transfer tech.

 

[The SC]

No, the range was software locked. And we created the software for that.



We are part of MTCR now. MTCR countries can transfer tech.

Good to know about ToT in MTCR..
So you have changed the original software or got the source and unlocked it, with new improvements to be made range wise? both cases were possible..

 

[Safriz]

No, the range was software locked. And we created the software for that.

You did not create the software for that. Russia is now transferring the original firmware of Yakhont which Brahmos is.
The step by step increase in range is more to do with political impact of such increase than any technicalities.
The clue was in the size and weight of the missile. A 300 Km cruise missile missile of 3 ton weigh makes no sense. It was another Yakhont with same machinery and even fuel .
There wont be any more range increase than 600 Km as that's what the missile can do.

The software was created by India in 2006 to Reduce range of Brahmos as initial tests failed to hit targets of reduced range.
Now increasing the range will be a walk in the park as original software is to be installed without modification.
The target envelop of Yakhont is 450-600 Km .

http://www.brahmos.com/newscenter.php?newsid=67

 

[Safriz]

Everything about Indian and Russian contribution to Brahmos can be read here.

http://www.armingindia.com/India De...hMos, Other Missiles Sudhir Mishra Part 2.htm
Engine and Seeker is 100% Russian. Firmware of mission software is 100% Russian. Guidance software and support software are Indian. The chassy and TEL are made in India,obviously the truck used is again some foreign make

 

[Dean Winchester]

. The chassy and TEL are made in India,obviously the truck used is again some foreign make

All trucks are manufactured in India.

 

[Hellfire]

@Storm Force Can India do this without Russia ?

It was a user trial. We had briefly mentioned that the range is reported 290 but exceeds. Earlier too on the forum elsewhere.

This missile was part of the operational stock.

 

[randomradio]

Good to know about ToT in MTCR..
So you have changed the original software or got the source and unlocked it, with new improvements to be made range wise? both cases were possible..

The Brahmos was always meant to have its range extended during wartime. Yakhont's software is nowhere near where Brahmos is. Yakhont is quite simple in comparisonm comparable to Brahmos Block 1.

The guidance and flight controls source codes for Brahmos were written in India using Indian hardware.

You did not create the software for that. Russia is now transferring the original firmware of Yakhont which Brahmos is.

BS. Brahmos is a JV. We created the software and guidance. The Russians gave the airframe, engine and seeker.

Here's info about the latest advances in Brahmos.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/desi-g3om-makes-brahmos-smarter.323056/

The step by step increase in range is more to do with political impact of such increase than any technicalities.

There's no political pressure, India is already part of MTCR.

The software was created by India in 2006 to Reduce range of Brahmos as initial tests failed to hit targets of reduced range.
Now increasing the range will be a walk in the park as original software is to be installed without modification.
The target envelop of Yakhont is 450-600 Km .

http://www.brahmos.com/newscenter.php?newsid=67

The current range increase and the failure in 2009 are not related.