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Brahmos Cruise Missile - Russia & India

no they dont. they have a job of just paiting anything they gets.

Do you understand the word Joint Venture????

Do you want me to list out all the Indian contribution to the project or will you be kind enough to help yourself by visiting BRAHMOS - Universal Supersonic Cruise Missile

Even the name is derived by Brahmaputra and Moskava. We are acknowledging Russian participation in everything.
 
i hope U 214 will fire our babur too in future babur is the best and most intelligent
 
Coming back to BrahMos the BrahMos-II will be with a range of 1000kms at a hypersonic speed.

The missile was lab tested at a speed of Mach 5.26 in May-2008.

A read.........

The IT in India’s cruise missile

The Defence Research and Development Laboratory at Hyderabad makes use of IT to redefine weapons systems, says Srinivasa Rao Dasari

For key defence applications, India’s Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL) has been banking on the IT expertise of Cyberabad. IT is being used to integrate the three arms of the defence forces.

For example, radar operations today involve a dozen computers integrated with a radar dish as against a conventional radar, in which a computer was considered to be merely an accessory. Electronic warfare systems are critical components of long-range missile systems and supersonic cruise missiles, light combat aircraft, radars, under-water sensors, combat vehicles and armaments.

The IT-isation of weapons systems

As technology advances, the share of IT in the overall cost of a modern weapons system has grown. Take the case of the BrahMos missile, where 70-75 percent of the cost is accounted for by its IT systems. Earlier, the ratio of weapons system to IT was in the range of 90:10, whereas today it is almost the reverse—the ratio of IT to other components and hardware is in the range of 75:25. After networking all the sections of engineering support services (e-SS), DRDL has turned its focus to Radio Frequency Identification Devices (RFID), and plans to implement RFID across all its sections over the next five years. As part of the e-SS, DRDL has taken up the implementation of RFID in several key sections such as spares management, maintenance, inventory, documentation, training, record-keeping and networking all its depots.

The organisation has also increased the use of IT applications in inventory and maintenance.

Considering the growing usage of IT applications across different sections right from maintenance and inventory to intelligent missiles, DRDL has doubled its budget allocation for information technology. The IT spend of DRDL was more than Rs 100 crore during the past five years, and it has earmarked Rs 200 crore for the next five.

BrahMos@Mach2

The supersonic BrahMos missile, jointly developed by India and Russia, has a range of 290 kilometres, and can carry a conventional payload of up to 300 kgs at over the twice the speed of sound. BrahMos—an acronym representing two great rivers, the Brahmaputra of India and the Moskva of Russia—can be fired from multiple platforms on land, ship, submarine or plane. The missile can be launched either in vertical or inclined positions covering 360 degrees. It is said to have a variety of applications that give the navy an advantage in combat. The BrahMos is unique because it is the only cruise missile in the world capable of travelling at supersonic speeds over long distances. It is also said to be highly accurate, and can be guided by means of an onboard computer.

Explains Prahlada, Director, DRDL, “IT services are needed by the military. We use IT in areas such as radar, navigation, missile control and simulation. With missiles becoming more technology-based and intelligent, IT applications may be the deciding factor during a future war. Fortunately, we are good at IT, and this will give India an edge over other countries when it comes to intelligent war weapons. We are associated with about 25 leading IT companies, of which Satyam is one.”

Understandably, DRDL cannot furnish details about key projects involving IT applications because they are classified. However, the high attrition rate in the IT industry has had an impact on its projects. “Frequency, guidance, and navigation areas are confidential, and for this reason we prefer Indian IT companies to execute these projects. In some cases, IT companies have deployed their professionals on our campus. At any point of time, about 30 projects are being developed at different centres across the country, though the bulk of the work is done at Hyderabad.”

Grid computing

DRDL has plans to focus on grid computing to utilise surplus memory and technology resources that are available at other organisations. It also intends to tie up with leading research organisations across the world, and has already teamed up with the universities of Hyderabad and Bangalore. In addition, it is exploring ways and means to benefit from an information grid on the lines of the NASA Information Power Grid (IPG), and the British Grid Enabled Optimisation and Design Search for Engineering (GEODISE).

Explains Prahlada, “A grid infrastructure will give us the ability to dynamically link resources as an ensemble to support the execution of large-scale, resource-intensive and distributed applications. Data-oriented applications help us collect, store and analyse data. At present, we have VPN access to seven academic institutions.” Even so, a grid for aerospace engineering linking geographically-separated subsystems will be needed for effective aircraft design.

DRDL has a VPN system that helps its head honchos coordinate and monitor its labs across the country. It uses CAD/CAM to design systems, and transfers these design files to manufacturing facilities. DRDL has developed a state-of-the-art modelling and simulation system that facilitates material processing, forming, casting, forging, sintering, heat treatment, machining operations, welding and brazing. The weapons system simulation model includes low-fidelity, medium-fidelity and high-fidelity options for the variations in different parameters such as human interaction. Simulating a war on a computer before it breaks out lets the military assess potential strategies in the light of the merits of opposing armies. “We can do casting, assembling, testing and modelling on simulations, and have a comprehensive weapons systems simulation with attackers and defenders,” elaborates Prahlada. The computer-based programme knows how missiles work, and DRDL continuously checks its performance.

The organisation uses GPS and Glonass for navigation and guidance of weapons systems, while GPS is used to update and improve Initialise Missile Receiver (IMU) measurements. However, some satellite links will be lost when a GPS jammer is used. To account for this eventuality, DRDL has come out with a conceptual model of a system based on the proven technology of GPS to overcome such risks. As part of this, various key facilities such as the availability of local area positioning in the absence of a GPS signal, and augmentation of the GPS-based systems are ensured. This proposed system will be less susceptible to jammers.

ECIL’s role

The public sector Electronics Corporation of India Limited (ECIL) has undertaken a command & control and display software project for DRDL. Known as C-4/ 2 SR, the project will help strengthen the country’s air defence by facilitating multi-radar tracking of air situation scenarios. In this system, information is transmitted via VSAT to a base station from a missile-mounted platform. The encrypted information goes via different frequencies through a satellite link, a redundancy that makes it more reliable. The technology helps identify a target ship and track its movements with great accuracy.

Smart Seeker is an intelligent device that guides missile operation; it is supported by MMIC devices, surface mounted MIL-grade components, an inertial measurement unit interface, and FFT chips. A key feature is that the programme is based on Smart Seeker Field Programmable Gate Arrays (FPGAs) and Application-specific Integrated Circuits (ASICs).

The use of on-board computers to control the functioning of weapons has increased the efficiency of destroying targets. One example is the Tomahawk Cruise missile. Once the approximate position of the desired target is programmed, the missile maps out its flight path on its own.

In a war zone, information about the enemy’s position, armaments and troops’ strength is vital. The volume, accuracy and speed at which the data can be gathered and processed into meaningful information has increased, as has the technology supporting it. With these inputs, a battle-field commander can then utilise his forces in the most effective manner.

The IT in India’s cruise missile - Express Computer

Full article.
 
Brahmos is one of the deadliest cruise missiles around with supersonic speeds which will be difficult to intercept with missiles because of its speed and the impact it will cause will also be higher.

Now efforts are ongoing to make a hypersonic version of Brahmos which will have 10-15 mach speed and it will be difficult or even impossible for any country to stop it by intercepting missiles.

For this who are questioning India's contribution in Brahmos project, here is the answer

Brahmos is based upon Yakhont rocket technology from Russia, apart from that everything else is from India like guiding technology of missile, improving range of Brahmos, increasing the speed of Brahmos, making variant of Brahmos etc.
 
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Have the Russians been persuaded to use the Brahmos on any decent scale yet? They didn't like it and it was only with a lot of pressure that they said they would put it on a single frigate, mind you there could be any number of reasons they don't want them.
 
Brahmos is one of the deadliest cruise missiles around with supersonic speeds which will be difficult to intercept with missiles because of its speed and the impact it will cause will also be higher.

Now efforts are ongoing to make a hypersonic version of Brahmos which will have 10-15 mach speed and it will be difficult or even impossible for any country to stop it by intercepting missiles.

For this who are questioning India's contribution in Brahmos project, here is the answer

Brahmos is based upon Yakhont rocket technology from Russia, apart from that everything else is from India like guiding technology of missile, improving range of Brahmos, increasing the speed of Brahmos, making variant of Brahmos etc.

If it goes at mach 10-15 (or pretty much anywhere hypersonic) it would not be able to turn at those speeds, (not just a very large turning circle but physically not being able to do it). So if you changed position it could be avoided, if they are clever though there are a lot of ways to get around this, only accelerating to those speeds when the target hasn't enough time to manoeuvre for example.

However if would have to be a completely new missile to achieve speeds of those magnitudes or it would have to sacrifice a lot of its good properties.
 
as far as i know the babur cruise missile is a low trajectory missile,previously it was difficult to track and intercept it so it was very capable,now we have special radar which can track low flying missiles too. russians have recently developed such a radar system, so it can be intercepted
the brahmos has an advantage here because of the speed ,the hypersonic version will be the deadliest because it will be difficult to intercept at that speed.
thanks.

there is not need to cry that one is better than the other both of them are quite capable to cause heavy damage.
thanks
 
I can see this forum being infiltrated by indians, the quality of input has deteriorated. There is NO Brahmos 2!!! The only thing we have is essentially something tested on a computer in lab somewhere! That does not mean you have a hypersonic cruise missile and all is well! My GOD!!!

I agree we will not see Brahmos 2 any sooner.

How can you guys claim this technology, when the US doesn't even have the X-51 hypersonic cruise missile in service, after almost 50 years of research!
i have to say here,if Americans are not able to invent something doesn't mean it's a dead end and we will be not able to succeed.:cool:
 
There is no such thing as Brahmos two and even the range of current brahmos will not be increased beyond 300 kms. The reason is simple. Russia is a signatory to MTCR and can not sell missiles with range more than 300 or 350 kms.

If you wish to have a missile with 1000 km range shall have to craete new one without Russian participation.
 
BrahMos 2 is a hypersonic version of BrahMos the range will be limited to 300kms. There is one more hypersonic version that is in development called HSDTV. ISRO is working on AVATAR. There is one lab test done for new engine which achieved speed of over Mach 5. still fifteen more lab tests followed by live tests needs to be done before this can enter the service.

These are going to take time.
 
Have the Russians been persuaded to use the Brahmos on any decent scale yet? They didn't like it and it was only with a lot of pressure that they said they would put it on a single frigate, mind you there could be any number of reasons they don't want them.
Russia's reasons for the slow acceptance of the Bhramos cruis missile has more to do with its exiting Cruise missiles in its arsenal than any percieved deficieny in the capapbility of the missile in its range

A look at Overview of Russia's cruise missiles would indicate to you that many of these cruise missiles listed have full operational capability and serving in the branches of their Armed forces

Replacing them in a swoop without letting the exisitng missiles serve its designated lifespan is not a sign of a sound judgement. Inspite of beingflush with oil money, Russia is still recovering from the crippling effects of Communism

India on the other hand had no cruise missile in tis arsenal prior to the induction of he Bhramos - reason for India's large scale adoption

Russia at no point of time has expressed displeasure over the performance of the Bhramos
 
There is no such thing as Brahmos two and even the range of current brahmos will not be increased beyond 300 kms. The reason is simple. Russia is a signatory to MTCR and can not sell missiles with range more than 300 or 350 kms.

If you wish to have a missile with 1000 km range shall have to craete new one without Russian participation.

You do realize that India's participation in developing the Bhramos meant that India does have access to the complete Technology that is going into making thsi beauty

Taking things from there on its own should hardly be a challenge for India [though I don't expect you to concur, India has that issue taken care of]
 
You do realize that India's participation in developing the Bhramos meant that India does have access to the complete Technology that is going into making thsi beauty

Taking things from there on its own should hardly be a challenge for India [though I don't expect you to concur, India has that issue taken care of]

The development of the P-800 ramjet-powered began in 1983 as a new-generation Antiship missile. By mid 1980s money was scare and one had to be chosen over another from Yakhont and Moskit. Although money for Moskit was cut and the soviet navy did not finance the air launched version of Moskit but Yakhont was not ready as promised in 1987 and Yakhont was shifted to programs for next generation missiles to enter into service in mid nineties. Situation was further complicated by the collapse of the Soviet Union and more limited financial support. According to Russian accounts sketch design as approved in 1983 and trails began in as early as 1987 and missile was first publicly shown at Moscow air show in drawing form.

By summer 1996 missile had about 20 ballistic trails and that year missile was first fired in guided configuration from modified Nanuchka IV-class corvette (Nakat) with two SM403 launchers and from Charlie-class missile submarine (K-452.Submarine was used only for surface firings:chilli:. By 1997 there had been up to ten trails from Nanuchka Nakat . But due to Soviet collapse missile was never ordered.

Yakhont’s export version was available starting in 1998.:chilli: Since then, another export version has been under development called the PJ-10 Brahmos. Although India had wanted the BrahMos to be based on a mid range cruise missile, namely P-700 Granit:devil:, instead Russia opted for the shorter range missile P-800 Oniks, in order to comply with MTCR restrictions, to which Russia is a signatory.

It is a joint venture between Russia and India's Defense Research and Development Organization. The Brahmos is basically a new name for the Yakhont / Oniks, adjusted to meet the requirements of MTCR. Russia invested $122 million in the program, while India allocated $128 million. The first launch of the Brahmos missile took place in June 2001

Former HAL chairman CG Krishnadas Nair, did cried that the BrahMos program was a bit of an embarrassment because the Russians had refused to part with engine technology.

"We must have access to total technology. This denial is a serious matter. No one should hold the other to ransom," he is quoted to have said in numerous reports.

BrahMos Aerospace's CEO Dr A Sivathanu Pillai provided this brief rejoinder: "This is a joint venture. So, there's no question of transfer of technology. Russia manufactures the engines, we manufacture the guidance system and integrate the two."


I would like to say that Dr Pillai's in his statement makes it sound as though India simply don't wanted the Russian ramjet engine technology and that india is happy with the situation the way it is currently. But the truth is that Russia will never share any part of its advanced ramjet technology as currently Russia is more like a Sole proprieter of the this ramjet engine technology and why in hell would Russian want to share that tech with India?

According to the Indian bloger Shiv Aroor of LiveFist, The Indian government has made official requests as many as four times in the last two years to the Russians for engine and seeker technology in BrahMos, and been turned down straight:enjoy:. In the words of a BrahMos program insider, "It will take LRDE light years to develop an indigenous seeker.".Shiv Aroor's source continues: "It's a leash, you understand. If Russia were to give us these technologies, we would not need them anymore. As long as we do not control the critical technologies, i.e. engine and seeker, Russia will call all the shots in BrahMos:enjoy:, including cost which is critical to export competence. Our contribution to the system is the inertial navigation system (INS) and fire control system, both of which are top quality. But both these things Russia can also make. The entire programme was started because it did not have seeding capital to get it off the ground."

Navy's Ilyushin-38 is officially off the table as a potential carrier of the BrahMos as Navy has asked BrahMos co not to proceed on design integration of the missile with the Il-38 platform. The reasons: after integration of the BrahMos on an Il-38's belly hardpoint, ground clearance became dangerously low -- a potential threat during landing. Secondly -- and this is probably more of a reason! -- the Navy said it already had its hands full warring with Russia over the disastrous Sea Dragon avionics upgrade of the Il-38s


BrahMos is basically a Indian assembled version of Russian P-100 ONIX / YAKHONT . BrahMos cannot be compared with terrain-hugging cruise missiles like GLCM Babur ALCM Raad and Unlike GLCM Babur or ALCM Raad BrahMos is not a strategic cruise missile, but it is adopted (by the Indian forces for Land attack capability as they had no other option) from a antiship missile.

BrahMos is required to cruise to the target area at an altitude of about 14,000 meters (46,000 feet) to achieve a maximum range of about 280-290 kilometers with maximum speed of about Mach 2.6 at such high altitude , while on a LO-LO trajectory the maximum range is about 120 kilometers :chilli:with maximum speed is about Mach 1.5 at low altitude.

This will make BrahMos MRCM only cruise missile in the world:victory: that needs to cruise to the target area at an altitude of about 14,000 meters to achieve a range of 300km.

It is believed that the India-Russia joint venture BrahMos Aerospace Ltd is now no longer pursuing the prospect of qualifying the BrahMos on the IAF’s Su-30MKI for land attack as BrahMos’s target engagement envelope is very limited and it can armed with only non-nuclear warheads due to Russia’s adherence to MTCR guidelines.IAF is interested in acquiring only the anti-ship strike variant of the BrahMos if SU-30 MKI is choosen as Naval attack fighter in place of current Jaguar



Indian Yakhont will have a range of only 120 km @1.5 M in a lo-lo profile ie in typical cruise missile profile but that wont be of great help to india in case it wants to attack Pakistan, so india will be forces to use it use it with maximum range and to achieve 280-290 km in a hi-hi profile thus making BrahMos only cruise missile in the world that need to cruise to the target area at an altitude of about 14,000 meters. This basically means that BrahMos will loose the critical advantage of a cruise missile i.e. terrain hugging and stealth.

While BrahMos in a hi-hi profile @ 14,000m will be emitting large amount of heat and its size is huge for radar. To achieve very low CEP BrahMos will have to carry a data link which will mean that an aircraft equipped with inverse synthetic aperture radar will have to be in air and in area to provide terminal course-correction updates to the BrahMos ie early detection and low survivality of command aircraft.

So BrahMos wehich has a have very small warhead and bigger body for detection by radar during the cruise phase and huge infrared signature in cruise phase but will have low CEP to compensate its smaller warhead @ the cost of command aircraft.

Mind you guys that I think that BrahMos is a very good AntiShip missile but it is not designed for the land attack role for which India is pressing it.

And BrahMos cost like hell as its cost is reported to be more then $ 6 million and that is like 10 times the cost of Tomahawk Land Attack Missile which is reported cost of $500,000 to $600,000 and about 15 to 20 times the cost of our Babur cruise missile and this $6 million + cost comes with cheap labor costs indian and russian when compared to USA
 
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Russian accounts sketch design as approved in 1983 and trails began in as early as 1987 and missile was first publicly shown in 1993 at Moscow air show in drawing form

here is picture of missile @ first public display at Moscow air show
 

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