Bomber may have hit US vehicle with inside help

[Musafar]

Pakhtunkhwa??



I didn't know people still want to revert back to their 1000s of year old backward tribal customs and form a state based on tribalism, something Islam abolished 1400 years ago.

Islam abolished Nationalism but there's nothing wrong with living in tribes within your own locality and customs aslong as they don't conflict with Islam as the Quran states:

O you men! surely We have created you of a male and a female, and made you tribes and families that you may know each other; surely the most honorable of you with Allah is the one among you most careful (of his duty); surely Allah is Knowing, Aware.Surah al-Hujurat (49:13)

 

[Aeri-Eye]

Accept it or not, the mess NWFP finds itself in is because of our Government, ISI & our beloved Army.

Even today, we are allowing drone attacks on our soil, proving that our beghairat government is a slave of US. Even our army is partly sold off, last i heard Mr Obama want to increase military aid to Pakistan, do expect more strings attached to it and very soon our Army will be yet another slave of US. We are doomed, this bloody terrorism will continue till next 20 years unless we change our policies. Military is now planning to go to N Waziristan now. By sending army armed with tanks, grenades, artillery on our soil won't help, it will further worsen the situation. I admit, these rag tags taliban's should be wiped out but not like this. First, we need to stand up to the yanks and make firm policies. For the sake of few F-16s & few other military hardware, we are selling ourselves.

We need to wake up and open our eyes, we should stand up and tell the US to f*** off. Once, US is out of this mess...these talibans will be taken care of easily. But then again, who's got the guts to do this? Our Government? Clearly not! Our army? If they do it, who will give them F-16s and their pocket money? Our awaam? Well, more than half of them are not even bothered about it, rich are living a luxury life while poor are suffering. No one seems to care about anyone. While the innocents in NWFP are being killed everyday by these bloody drones. The people of NWFP are abolutely right when they say Islamabad is slave of US. They are merely telling the truth. Today we have people like 'illuminatus' demanding independence, tomorrow whole NWFP will demand independence. What will we do then? Send our army there to control the situation? So far, our army have caputred thousands of so called talibans and killed scores of them. Innocents have also lost their lives but does the number seem to be decreasing? No!

Fact is, talibans have support of forein elements, they calim to have more money than our pathetic government. If that's true then recruting more people for them isn't even a problem. Poors are finding it hard to survive and when they get hundreds of dollars from these talibans, they will obviously join them. I am sure more than 50% of talibans fight for the sake of money....see the problem here? Who's giving them these fundings? Why are we ignoring these poor people? Why can't we control our people from joining these terrorist? Why don't we take action on corruption? How much have we invested in NWFP? Aid given by US, has it reached the affected people? How much has Zardari kept in his secret accounts? Who's got answer to these questions? Who can address these problems? Who can stand up to the elements who are supporting these talibans?

We haven't learned a single thing from our mistakes, we lost East Pakistan due to our arrogance and if we continue like this for another 5-10 years, siuation will only worsen.....NWFP & Balouchistan will de demanding their freedom, and sure enough, they will recieve a lot help from India & US to make their dreams true.......

Pakistan is in deep shyt at the moment, mostly because of our pathetic policies & Zardari.

PS: I am not a balouchi or pashtun. I am actually from Islamabad myself and i agree with what illuminatus have said above. He may be wrong about asking for independence but he does have valid points which must be addressed, otherwise people like him will have backing from whole NWFP soon.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

Mods you can thank me for uncovering those who promote the fracture of Pakistan and side with extremist elements with a questionable disregard for lost innocent lives due to Taliban action later or in pm.

 

[Musafar]

You assume too much.

OK well, if i made the incorrect assumption that I appologize forthwit.

Otherwise, thanks for appreciating my post.

 

[Musafar]

Mods you can thank me for uncovering those who promote the fracture of Pakistan and side with extremist elements with a questionable disregard for lost innocent lives due to Taliban action later or in pm.

WHAAAAAAAAAT? Please don't tell me you just pulled the famous, G Dubya Bush: "Your either with us or against us?" Card.

 

[Always Neutral]

Accept it or not, the mess NWFP finds itself in is because of our Government, ISI & our beloved Army.

Even today, we are allowing drone attacks on our soil, proving that our beghairat government is a slave of US. Even our army is partly sold off, last i heard Mr Obama want to increase military aid to Pakistan, do expect more strings attached to it and very soon our Army will be yet another slave of US. We are doomed, this bloody terrorism will continue till next 20 years unless we change our policies. Military is now planning to go to N Waziristan now.
We haven't learned a single thing from our mistakes, we lost East Pakistan due to our arrogance and if we continue like this for another 5-10 years, siuation will only worsen.....NWFP & Balouchistan will de demanding their freedom, and sure enough, they will recieve a lot help from India & US to make their dreams true.......

Pakistan is in deep shyt at the moment, mostly because of our pathetic policies & Zardari.

Are you happy with land where the people desert the country moment you enforce law and order and wage war on the world and Pakistan.

Do you prefer the PAF bombing Wazirstsan or USAF ?

Drone attack took out BM otherwise he may have taken over your beautiful Islamabad ?

Wake up.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

I suggest you guys start a thread. This will all be deleted probably as off topic. If I know the moderation here any much than it will probably happen. Why not include a poll as well, title it, "Should Pakistan cede territory for a Pakhtun nation." Otherwise I'm really disappointed that ill-founded anti-western sentiment is being used and abused by many people for amongst other things a Pakhtunistan. How much further must we radicalize this region? A nation in the new millenium and decade based off a tribe that exists mostly in mainland Pakistan and Afghanistan...good luck fighting two armies if not more.

 

[Aeri-Eye]

Always Neutral, drone killed BM yeah i agree but what about 100s of innocents who lost their lives in drone attacks? I bet you would have been against drones, had one of your own family member got killed in the strikes.

Do you prefer the PAF bombing Wazirstsan or USAF ?

US or anyone else dont have the guts to attack us. Pathetic government of Pakistan & army get scared for no reason. If we unite, no country can touch us.

And yeh, even if they attacks us. I bet most Pakistanis will prefer dying together rather then getting killed one by one......

Are you happy with land where the people desert the country moment you enforce law and order and wage war on the world and Pakistan

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The culture of NWFP is very different. Fact is we have failed to respect it. These people weren't blowing themselves up before the so called WoT started. They were living happily......no one their had any problem. I myself visited SWAT 10 years ago......trust i felt as safe as there as i feel in Isb. People there were soo nice and their hospitality was exceptional.

Yeah and i myself saw girls going to school....no one had any issues with it.

All this mess started right after WoT.......

 

[Always Neutral]

Always Neutral, drone killed BM yeah i agree but what about 100s of innocents who lost their lives in drone attacks? I bet you would have been against drones, had one of your own family member got killed in the strikes.

AND WHAT DID BM DO BEFORE THAT ? HOW MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN HIS SPONSORED BOMBS?

US or anyone else dont have the guts to attack us. Pathetic government of Pakistan & army get scared for no reason. If we unite, no country can touch us.

SO YOU ARE BASICALLY CALLING THE PA AND PAF AS COWARDS NOT BEING ABLE TO FIGHT THE US ? BTW THE ARMY WAS RUNNING THE SHOW AT THAT TIME SO U CAN'T EVEN BLAME THE POLITICIANS.

And yeh, even if they attacks us. I bet most Pakistanis will prefer dying together rather then getting killed one by one......

.AS PER YOU THEY ARE DOING THAT ANYWAY THRU DONES AND PAF F 16'S I DONT SEE MUCH DYING BY THE AVERAGE PAKISTANI IN ISLAMABAD OVER IT.

The culture of NWFP is very different. Fact is we have failed to respect it.

THE VIKINGS WERE BETTER WARRIORS THAN ANY RACE BUT DO YOU SEE THEM BE-HEADING ANYONE IN THEIR COUNTRY NOW DAYS ?

These people weren't blowing themselves up before the so called WoT started. They were living happily......no one their had any problem.

BECAUSE GOP GAVE THEM A FREE HAND FOR STRATEGIC DEPTH AND NOW ITS BACKFIRED. PLAIN AND SIMPLE

I myself visited SWAT 10 years ago......trust i felt as safe as there as i feel in Isb. People there were soo nice and their hospitality was exceptional.

Yeah and i myself saw girls going to school....no one had any issues with it.

THATS WHY THEY BLEW THE CONVOY UP IN FRONT OF A GIRLS SCHOOL

All this mess started right after WoT.......

BLAME EVERYBODY EXCEPT UR OWNSELF

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The solution to the problems created by slave Islamabad and master US in NWFP can be solved by gaining independence. You're allied with slave Islamabad. I don't expect anything positive coming out of your hole. I support an independent state Pakhtunkhwa. We demand our right for self rule! Slaves in Islamabad will never deliver peace and prosperity. Slaves in Islamabad will only deliver more corpses and misery.

The two parties overwhelmingly elected by the people of the NWFP, the ANP and PPP, are running affairs in the NWFP currently, and of the two the ANP calls itself a 'Pakhtun nationalist party'. The ANP leadership is up there with the MQM in not talking to terrorists and wanting the military operations to continue - reportedly they wanted the op's to start a lot earlier than they did.

So please, enough of this BS of 'slaves in Islamabad and master US'.

 

[Musafar]

To be fair, I think we should have a proper perspective on this situation. The American SF advisers are in Pakistan with the approval and permission of GoP and the Pakistan Army. The loss of these officers, our men and our school girls is sad and the former being our guests is embarrassing.

They are training FC along with PA officers in CI roles. This is not the first time US SF are in Pakistan. The SSG was created with the help of similar US SF officers back in the late 50s and early 60s. Americans spent about 6-8 years in Pakistan back then doing this.

As part of US SF role, there is a component called "civil affairs" where they reach out and build contacts with the local communities to understand them, help them and find acceptance of the work they are doing. This is no different than when Pakistani SSG/N went to Indonesia and helped with Tsunami relief work there.

Lets not look at everything with the lens of conspiracy theory. Some things can be explained with the most logical explanation. Pakistan ensures that they keep an eye on what is going on with foreign troops inside of Pakistan. This interaction between us and the US SF is a good one because it is helping build CI capability within our paramilitary units.

Thanks Blain for replying, you seem to have a very balanced approach in your dialogue, something which Is always a good sign of that a meaningful conversation will ensue.

When the US was back in the 50's I understand it was for intelligence gathering on the communists, and they used pakistan as a outposts to snoop on any "chatter" or communications. How did the SF element come into Pakistan? Was this an extension of the mission when they were in places like Peshawar?

I understand that the interaction between nations trading skill and expertise and that it is crucial to the betterment of the forces, as I have seen Turks in Pakistan and Arab nations training with the Pakistani SF, but the cultural sensitivity of having Americans on display in conservative regions such as the NWFP is very disheartening to see solely because of their track record and this WoT has won them no friends in the muslim world, especially amongst the Pashtoons. This needs to weighed up and considered in light of whatever skills/expertise they can advice us in whatever capacity. Also the conspiracy angle isn't one that shouldn't be discounted, as it has happend before in South America, Soviet war, and with the Northern alliance where CIA/ SF were on the ground working alongside "allys" to take out foes.

Lastly I know the GoP/Army has given them permission, but as Pakistan moves to more of a democratic country with the Political apparatus ever more strenghthened, I have an uneasy level of cynicism that the politicians are acting in the best interests of this country by just looking at the calibre/past of them.

I hope you can understand my frustration.

 

[Aeri-Eye]

AND WHAT DID BM DO BEFORE THAT ? HOW MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN HIS SPONSORED BOMBS?

Just because BM blows up innocents means we should allow drones to kill our citizens? Surely, there would've been many other ways to target that bastard, instead of allowing US to kill our citizens.

Just to let you know, when these Talibans recruite locals, the first reason they give is that US is killing our own people and that we should fight against them. Now, a 10 or a 12 yr is not mature enough to know what is right & wrong. They just believe their stories and join them. Talibans, in a way, are right when they claim drones are killing citizens. What they do is a different story, firstly we need to make sure no one from outside should kill our people. Then it will be far easy for us to track down few bastards and take them out. Got the point?

SO YOU ARE BASICALLY CALLING THE PA AND PAF AS COWARDS NOT BEING ABLE TO FIGHT THE US ? BTW THE ARMY WAS RUNNING THE SHOW AT THAT TIME SO U CAN'T EVEN BLAME THE POLITICIANS

No one is asking them to fight US. All we want our armed forces to do is defend our country and make sure drones don't kill our citizens. Please don't twist my word. Learn to read first.

AS PER YOU THEY ARE DOING THAT ANYWAY THRU DONES AND PAF F 16'S I DONT SEE MUCH DYING BY THE AVERAGE PAKISTANI IN ISLAMABAD OVER IT

Eh? What the hell are you trying to say? Please explain.

THE VIKINGS WERE BETTER WARRIORS THAN ANY RACE BUT DO YOU SEE THEM BE-HEADING ANYONE IN THEIR COUNTRY NOW DAYS

In every religion & culture, there are idiots; that does not mean we should judge the whole society/culture/religion based on few bastards. Their culture don't include beheading people. I have said it before, there are some pathetic a** holes whom we should hunt down and take out. But not by allowing US drones...it's only making it worse.

BECAUSE GOP GAVE THEM A FREE HAND FOR STRATEGIC DEPTH AND NOW ITS BACKFIRED. PLAIN AND SIMPLE

Same government armed the talibans, used these place for our own interest. And yet it's the same government who is still screwing it up.

THATS WHY THEY BLEW THE CONVOY UP IN FRONT OF A GIRLS SCHOOL

When did that happen? Before or after the WoT started?

PS: You are complete ***....either u are failing to understand the situation NWFP is in or you are just full of hatred. I would bet on the later on, and therefore it's absolutely useless arguing with you. You lack common sense.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

This message is hidden because Always Neutral the terrorist sympathiser is on your ignore list.

Right in your face you supporter of terror. Don't you dare react to my posts you supporter of tyranny. First you rejoice the death of innocent people and than have the courage to react to my posts? **** off.

This gentleman is our recurring troll with severe psychological problems. He gets to a few hundred posts that appear, for the most part, intelligent and articulate, until he forgets to take his medication or something and then completely flips out.

The last two ID's he used, he flipped out on Indians and Hindus', spewing forth all sorts of vile, racist and xenophobic comments. This time apparently the subject of his ire is 'Pakistan'.

Guessed who it is yet?

Maximus AKA BaburCM of course.

You all can search up the last few posts of the above characters to see what I mean (if they were not deleted).

Goodbye once again, and please, please, please stop forgetting to take your meds.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

This gentleman is our recurring troll with severe psychological problems. He gets to a few hundred posts that appear, for the most part, intelligent and articulate, until he forgets to take his medication or something and then completely flips out.

The last two ID's he used, he flipped out on Indians and Hindus', spewing forth all sorts of vile, racist and xenophobic comments. This time apparently the subject of his ire is 'Pakistan'.

Guessed who it is yet?

Maximus AKA BaburCM of course.

You all can search up the last few posts of the above characters to see what I mean (if they were not deleted).

Goodbye once again, and please, please, please stop forgetting to take your meds.

Maximus the guy from the Netherlands is a pro-Pashtunistan Talib sympathizer? Seriously? Why are they so silent with their objectives. Before he was abusing Hindus. Now he is abusing Pakistan not just the government but the idea of it. Strange phenomena. I thought I was an extremist liberal, damn I am nothing in the face of fascism.

 

[Always Neutral]

Just because BM blows up innocents means we should allow drones to kill our citizens? Surely, there would've been many other ways to target that bastard, instead of allowing US to kill our citizens.

THE OPS AS PER MOST PEOPLE HERE WAS A JOINT OPS BETWEEN ISI AND CIA SO WHY CRIB ?

Just to let you know, when these Talibans recruite locals, the first reason they give is that US is killing our own people and that we should fight against them. Now, a 10 or a 12 yr is not mature enough to know what is right & wrong.


I ASSURE YOU IF ANYONE TOLD MY 12 YEAR NEPHEW TO DO THAT HE WOULD NEVER ! THATS WHERE GOOD PARENTING AN EDUCATION COMES IN.

. Then it will be far easy for us to track down few bastards and take them out. Got the point?

ITS HARD AND THATS WHY HM IS STILL ALIVE. THE GOP IS SLOWLY ASSERTING ITS WRIT ON THESE LANDS AND ONE DAY IT WILL SUCCEED.

Please don't twist my word. Learn to read first.

I DID NOT TWIST UR WORDS AS CALLED THEM SCARED. GEN KIYANI RIGHTLY SAYS ITS GOP'S WAR SO PLEASE SUPPORT HIM AS I THINK HE KNOWS BETTTER.

In every religion & culture, there are idiots; that does not mean we should judge the whole society/culture/religion based on few bastards. Their culture don't include beheading people. I have said it before, there are some pathetic a** holes whom we should hunt down and take out. But not by allowing US drones...it's only making it worse.

THE POINT I MAKE IS THAT VIKINGS WAY OF LIFE WAS BARBARIC MORE THAN NWFP TRIBES BUT THEY EVOLVED TOO.

Same government armed the talibans, used these place for our own interest. And yet it's the same government who is still screwing it up.

I AGREE BUT YOU VOTE THESE GUYS IN NOT ME.

When did that happen? Before or after the WoT started?

PS: You are complete ***....either u are failing to understand the situation NWFP is in or you are just full of hatred. I would bet on the later on, and therefore it's absolutely useless arguing with you. You lack common sense.

I MAY BE AN IDIOT BUT I PREFER BEING ON GEN. KIYANI'S SIDE.

REGARDS