Bomb Blast in Crowded Daata Darbar (Shrine), Lahore

[Hyde]

Please read this news
Police arrest five suspects from Data Darbar area - GEO.tv

 

[Ahmad]

I could crush terrorism in 3 months, claims Imran


Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf Chairman Imran Khan Sunday claimed that if he were the prime minister of Pakistan, he would have eliminated the menace of terrorism within 90 days.
Talking to media during his visit to Data Darbar in Lahore, Imran said Pakistan is paying the price for fighting a proxy war for America. He said the real terrorists should be eliminated but ‘if we treat the enemies of America as our enemies the war will continue’.
Khan noted that the war on terror has taken a heavy toll on Pakistan’s economy and only a small group of ruling elite are profiting from the aid and loans.
He claimed that if he was the prime minister of Pakistan, the problems of terrorism could have been resolved within 3 months. He said that the security should be provided to Pakistani people and not the political families.

With due respect to Imran khan as he is one of the leaders of pakistan, but he is talking purely rubbish. It is easily said than done to eliminate the terrorists. There is only one way to convince them to stop their barbarism and that is to surrernder to them!! is Imran ready to surrender pakistan to these people? they had a choice to make deal with GoP and bring Nizame Adl in tribal areas, but they were so scared that if the deal was successful, that meant the end of the taliban politically, so they snatched the initiative and ignited war by attacking lower and upper Dir. these guys need to be crushed in the whole region, otherwise they will take us down with themselves.

 

[GUNNER]

Who’s behind the Lahore attack?

By Ayesha Siddiqa

July 03, 2010

The writer is author of Military Inc. and a visiting professor at Johns Hopkins University, US (ayesha.siddiqa@tribune.com.pk)


Quite a few people are anxious about the recent death and destruction at Data Darbar, Lahore. While the government and its agencies must be rummaging through heaps of evidence, there are some who already have an answer. The Hizbut-Tehrer (HuT), a movement for global jihad’s Pakistan chapter, has already committed its findings for its supporters and potential followers on the internet and its press releases.

One of HuT’s press release condemns American for involvement in the recent attacks in Lahore. The politico-social-militant group, which seems to be resurfacing in the country again, believes that the attacks in Lahore are part of a series planned by the US or its assistance to provide logic for attack on Punjab. The federal interior minister, who often gives the glimpse of being an unofficial member of a militant group, seems to have put life to the above contention by claiming that this could not be done by Muslims. This, in fact, is an old belief that Muslims cannot kill their other members of the ummah.

Such conclusion would make it harder for the police to dig out the main culprits. It may actually mean nothing to know the real identity of the suicide bombers whose images were caught on the CCTV. It is a known fact that the actual bombers are part of a six member team involved in planning and executing an attack. There is the main planner, the person in charge for the operation, the manufacturer of the suicide jacket, the person who searches out the target, the handler of the suicider and finally the person who commits his life. The militants make sure that it becomes difficult to reach the main person behind the attack even when they can trace the suicide bomber and his handler.

It becomes dicey to argue that the six-plus member team involved in the recent Lahore attacks were not Muslims. The answers are almost improbable to find after a suicide attack is executed since the police cannot find all body parts of the attacker to determine his religion.
But then what the HuT’s seems to argue is that the suicide bombers might have been led astray by foreign, non-Muslim elements. But then what might have led these men astray? Most likely, the team of suicide attackers was convinced that those going to the shrines, just like the Ahmadis who were targeted earlier, represented the jahiliya.

This means a non-Islamic cultural trend which poses a threat to Islam. A world not ruled by pious leaders or not run according to Sharia is a state which then must be changed. This is what Ibn Taimiya had argued in the 13th/14th century and later Syed Qutb in the mid 20th century. It is referred to in Pakistan as the Takfeeri ideology which means that the proponents argue for waging militant jihad against ordinary Muslims who have agreed to live under non-Sharia rule.

Lets stand this argument on its head and look at it from the perspective of the suicide bombers. They were trying to save their world and people. So, does that mean that their international accomplices are helping them establish Islamic rule? Not bad! But then if we were to extend this argument a bit further then does it mean that all the foreign forces that the Hizb holds responsible for these terrorist activities are actually doing us a favor? The Hizb wants to establish khilafat in the world through a Muslim state or states first. Given the Hizb strategy of using the military to capture power, even this is not the exact formula for a bloodless coup. Lets argue that in case an inspired Muslim army will capture power, they may not want to spill blood but spilling some might be unavoidable. But that would just be of those who resist Islamic rule. Principally, this stance might not be very different from the takfeeris. The difference lies only in the amount of blood that the tafeeris agree to spill versus the HuT. Both aim at the elimination of those who resist Sharia rule or live life differently from what is considered as ordained by the Sharia.

Wouldn’t this logic then put the HuT and alleged perpetrators of violence at the same page? Why would the US want to force Pakistanis to establish Sharia rule? Or why would the HuT present America as aiding those who want to establish Sharia in Pakistan? The logic is mind-boggling but one must read into such statements and see what direction they follow.

 

[Ahmad]

first of all he is not minister... Secondly who are we to declare them (The Afghan Taliban) Terrorits?? they are fighting against an invader...

They are killing their own people the same way the TTP is killing pakistanis. what a hypocracy i see here from you.

 

[Ahmad]

first you wrote Pak Army and ISI and then changed it Power matrix... i don't know wheter you wanna prove that em right or you wanna prove that pakistan as a state is terrorist??
Every one who opposes america and his policies is not a terrorist i think... I am clearly against American invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq and whatever you call me for that, it will only show your level ...

but that is non of your busines!!

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

They are killing their own the same that the TTP is killing pakistanis. what a hypocracy i see here from you.

You can fight against an invader and not be a terrorist. I mean if some people in Pakistan are going to blow up a shrine full of muslems ever time a drone takes out a target you guys are in for a real rough ride.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

You can fight against an invader and not be a terrorist. I mean if some people in Pakistan are going to blow up a shrine full of muslems ever time a drone takes out a target you guys are in for a real rough ride.

a simple idiotic flawed logic used by taliban sympathizers, Drones blow things in FATA & they blow people in shrines, What a Logic!!!

 

[Ahmad]

@kugga: do you know that the TTP and AT are the right and left hands of the same body? Do you know that the TTP along with the AT used to fight in AFghanistan's civil war and have killed hundreds of thousands of afghans in different names?

 

[Zillay_Khan]

Who’s behind the Lahore attack?

By Ayesha Siddiqa

July 03, 2010

The writer is author of Military Inc. and a visiting professor at Johns Hopkins University, US (ayesha.siddiqa@tribune.com.pk)


Quite a few people are anxious about the recent death and destruction at Data Darbar, Lahore. While the government and its agencies must be rummaging through heaps of evidence, there are some who already have an answer. The Hizbut-Tehrer (HuT), a movement for global jihad’s Pakistan chapter, has already committed its findings for its supporters and potential followers on the internet and its press releases.

One of HuT’s press release condemns American for involvement in the recent attacks in Lahore. The politico-social-militant group, which seems to be resurfacing in the country again, believes that the attacks in Lahore are part of a series planned by the US or its assistance to provide logic for attack on Punjab. The federal interior minister, who often gives the glimpse of being an unofficial member of a militant group, seems to have put life to the above contention by claiming that this could not be done by Muslims. This, in fact, is an old belief that Muslims cannot kill their other members of the ummah.

Such conclusion would make it harder for the police to dig out the main culprits. It may actually mean nothing to know the real identity of the suicide bombers whose images were caught on the CCTV. It is a known fact that the actual bombers are part of a six member team involved in planning and executing an attack. There is the main planner, the person in charge for the operation, the manufacturer of the suicide jacket, the person who searches out the target, the handler of the suicider and finally the person who commits his life. The militants make sure that it becomes difficult to reach the main person behind the attack even when they can trace the suicide bomber and his handler.

It becomes dicey to argue that the six-plus member team involved in the recent Lahore attacks were not Muslims. The answers are almost improbable to find after a suicide attack is executed since the police cannot find all body parts of the attacker to determine his religion.
But then what the HuT’s seems to argue is that the suicide bombers might have been led astray by foreign, non-Muslim elements. But then what might have led these men astray? Most likely, the team of suicide attackers was convinced that those going to the shrines, just like the Ahmadis who were targeted earlier, represented the jahiliya.

This means a non-Islamic cultural trend which poses a threat to Islam. A world not ruled by pious leaders or not run according to Sharia is a state which then must be changed. This is what Ibn Taimiya had argued in the 13th/14th century and later Syed Qutb in the mid 20th century. It is referred to in Pakistan as the Takfeeri ideology which means that the proponents argue for waging militant jihad against ordinary Muslims who have agreed to live under non-Sharia rule.

Lets stand this argument on its head and look at it from the perspective of the suicide bombers. They were trying to save their world and people. So, does that mean that their international accomplices are helping them establish Islamic rule? Not bad! But then if we were to extend this argument a bit further then does it mean that all the foreign forces that the Hizb holds responsible for these terrorist activities are actually doing us a favor? The Hizb wants to establish khilafat in the world through a Muslim state or states first. Given the Hizb strategy of using the military to capture power, even this is not the exact formula for a bloodless coup. Lets argue that in case an inspired Muslim army will capture power, they may not want to spill blood but spilling some might be unavoidable. But that would just be of those who resist Islamic rule. Principally, this stance might not be very different from the takfeeris. The difference lies only in the amount of blood that the tafeeris agree to spill versus the HuT. Both aim at the elimination of those who resist Sharia rule or live life differently from what is considered as ordained by the Sharia.

Wouldn’t this logic then put the HuT and alleged perpetrators of violence at the same page? Why would the US want to force Pakistanis to establish Sharia rule? Or why would the HuT present America as aiding those who want to establish Sharia in Pakistan? The logic is mind-boggling but one must read into such statements and see what direction they follow.

There was no need of this, the author clearly does not understand the issue of takfir, and those involved, its not about Us wanting to establish sharia rule its about the motive being a pretext for chaos same reason why jihad once was loved in afghnistan now its condemmned , think before you randomly post things.

 

[Ahmad]

You can fight against an invader and not be a terrorist. I mean if some people in Pakistan are going to blow up a shrine full of muslems ever time a drone takes out a target you guys are in for a real rough ride.

what are you talking about? i didnt understand you. please state in an easier english as it is not my first language.

 

[GUNNER]

There was no need of this, the author clearly does not understand the issue of takfir, and those involved, its not about Us wanting to establish sharia rule its about the motive being a pretext for chaos same reason why jihad once was loved in afghnistan now its condemmned , think before you randomly post things.

It's analysis. You have the right to criticize it, I reserve the right to post it.

 

[Zillay_Khan]

It's analysis. You have the right to criticize it, I reserve the right to post it.

Bro its just stearign up hatred thats why i objected , you think you just got thanked for pasting, no its because anti religion biggots soem people look for nay escuse and at all costs like to blame religion for everything even if they loose a pencil lol, I just mean , such articles drag faith into the discussion and here it makes emtional hardcore outbursts.

 

[pak-marine]

Who’s behind the Lahore attack?

By Ayesha Siddiqa

July 03, 2010

The writer is author of Military Inc. and a visiting professor at Johns Hopkins University, US (ayesha.siddiqa@tribune.com.pk)


Quite a few people are anxious about the recent death and destruction at Data Darbar, Lahore. While the government and its agencies must be rummaging through heaps of evidence, there are some who already have an answer. The Hizbut-Tehrer (HuT), a movement for global jihad’s Pakistan chapter, has already committed its findings for its supporters and potential followers on the internet and its press releases.

One of HuT’s press release condemns American for involvement in the recent attacks in Lahore. The politico-social-militant group, which seems to be resurfacing in the country again, believes that the attacks in Lahore are part of a series planned by the US or its assistance to provide logic for attack on Punjab. The federal interior minister, who often gives the glimpse of being an unofficial member of a militant group, seems to have put life to the above contention by claiming that this could not be done by Muslims. This, in fact, is an old belief that Muslims cannot kill their other members of the ummah.

Such conclusion would make it harder for the police to dig out the main culprits. It may actually mean nothing to know the real identity of the suicide bombers whose images were caught on the CCTV. It is a known fact that the actual bombers are part of a six member team involved in planning and executing an attack. There is the main planner, the person in charge for the operation, the manufacturer of the suicide jacket, the person who searches out the target, the handler of the suicider and finally the person who commits his life. The militants make sure that it becomes difficult to reach the main person behind the attack even when they can trace the suicide bomber and his handler.

It becomes dicey to argue that the six-plus member team involved in the recent Lahore attacks were not Muslims. The answers are almost improbable to find after a suicide attack is executed since the police cannot find all body parts of the attacker to determine his religion.
But then what the HuT’s seems to argue is that the suicide bombers might have been led astray by foreign, non-Muslim elements. But then what might have led these men astray? Most likely, the team of suicide attackers was convinced that those going to the shrines, just like the Ahmadis who were targeted earlier, represented the jahiliya.

This means a non-Islamic cultural trend which poses a threat to Islam. A world not ruled by pious leaders or not run according to Sharia is a state which then must be changed. This is what Ibn Taimiya had argued in the 13th/14th century and later Syed Qutb in the mid 20th century. It is referred to in Pakistan as the Takfeeri ideology which means that the proponents argue for waging militant jihad against ordinary Muslims who have agreed to live under non-Sharia rule.

Lets stand this argument on its head and look at it from the perspective of the suicide bombers. They were trying to save their world and people. So, does that mean that their international accomplices are helping them establish Islamic rule? Not bad! But then if we were to extend this argument a bit further then does it mean that all the foreign forces that the Hizb holds responsible for these terrorist activities are actually doing us a favor? The Hizb wants to establish khilafat in the world through a Muslim state or states first. Given the Hizb strategy of using the military to capture power, even this is not the exact formula for a bloodless coup. Lets argue that in case an inspired Muslim army will capture power, they may not want to spill blood but spilling some might be unavoidable. But that would just be of those who resist Islamic rule. Principally, this stance might not be very different from the takfeeris. The difference lies only in the amount of blood that the tafeeris agree to spill versus the HuT. Both aim at the elimination of those who resist Sharia rule or live life differently from what is considered as ordained by the Sharia.

Wouldn’t this logic then put the HuT and alleged perpetrators of violence at the same page? Why would the US want to force Pakistanis to establish Sharia rule? Or why would the HuT present America as aiding those who want to establish Sharia in Pakistan? The logic is mind-boggling but one must read into such statements and see what direction they follow.

simple and to the point , author has given clear indication of who the attackers are

 

[Zillay_Khan]

Looks like ur surprised?

According to her... Holy Quran was WRITTEN by SOME ARABS after Hazrat Muhammad SAWs demise.

Sharia laws r barbaric... etc etc

LOL even the dumbest of missionaries dont usualy go that far , but anyways, does she think that santa clause is a real person and got stuck in some chimney due to being overweight to? lol

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

what are you talking about? i didnt understand you. please state in an easier english as it is not my first language.

People in Afghanstan or else where could oppose the USA or the Afghanstan Goverment an as long as they did not deliberatly kill civilians or innocent people I would not consider them terrorist.

terrorism
is the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.

The use of drones to kill terrorist is not going to stop. If they are going to blow up a shrine in pakistan ever time a drone takes out a terrorist Pakistan is in for a rought time.