Blasphemy Law Possible Modifications!

[Mutee]

Kuch aisay*

 

[fitnfun007]

Hi its with a lot of interest that I have been following this discussion.Someone has commented on Bukhari and the Hadiths and I wanted to just share something. I dont know very much about Islam as compared to the people who are writing as I am not a muslim. I have been seeking to find the truth within myself through meditation and prayer for over 30 years and I still have a long journey ahead. I dont have much to add to this discussion but I wanted to say a few words about an interesting experience which I had recently. I happened to visit Uzbekistan just a few months ago and there were two specific places where I felt a tremendous spike in spiritual energy within myself, bordering on near ecstacy. The first was a mosque where they had a very old copy of the Koran (Couple of hundred years ago) in Tashkent. The second was near Samarkand at Muhammad al-Bukhari tomb. Before my visit to the Tomb I had absolutely no idea who this gentleman was and his importance. However I can tell you that this person was an immensely great spiritual person and true man of god. As far as the Hadiths go, i cannot of course answer for that, as I dont know much.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

@Abu basit my dear brother in Islam please don't argue with them they are a minority and insallah will always remain so there a beautiful incident from the life of hazart Abu hanifa brother SURB posted it on my wall read that and let them say whatever they want to this is what they want that we get into an argument with them let them talk among themselves wallaho kherul makreen and Quran says "nabi Kia tum nay much away login ko daikha hai Jo Allah per Bahis ko aamada rehatay? Lakin un Kay pass na aqal hai na hidiyat na keeetabay mobeen" let them talk don't worry .

Lo ji.

Perhaps you should then heed the advice of Hazrat Abu Hanifa, since that quote above essentially means that there is no need for laws such as the 'Blasphemy laws' and other restrictions on speech and freedoms, such as those imposed on minorities.

'Let us talk, don't worry' - why the need for barbaric laws such as the blasphemy laws and laws against Ahmadis then? You hypocrites and intolerant hatemongers won't even 'let us talk'.

 

[VCheng]

Lo ji.

Perhaps you should then heed the advice of Hazrat Abu Hanifa, since that quote above essentially means that there is no need for laws such as the 'Blasphemy laws' and other restrictions on speech and freedoms, such as those imposed on minorities.

'Let us talk, don't worry' - why the need for barbaric laws such as the blasphemy laws and laws against Ahmadis then? You hypocrites and intolerant hatemongers won't even 'let us talk'.

That is exactly the modus operandi of the intolerant hatemongering and yet oh-so-pious mullah. The great emphasis on dogmatic belief is precisely so that the followers do not use and then gradually loose the ability of critical thought, which is what has happened to a wide swathe of the once-civil society in Pakistan to the detriment of us all.

 

[Abu Basit]

come on abu, why are you skiping the question? is there a punishment or is there not a punishment? a yes or a no will be enough.

the following is from a Scholar.

Openly mocking someone's faith is not permitted. If the event reaches such a magnitude where it threatens /offends a person or a group of peoples then those individuals or the collective group can launch legal action against the perpetrator, the punishment will be at the discretion of the Qadi.

And Allah Knows Best.

 

[Abu Basit]

Lo ji.

Perhaps you should then heed the advice of Hazrat Abu Hanifa, since that quote above essentially means that there is no need for laws such as the 'Blasphemy laws' and other restrictions on speech and freedoms, such as those imposed on minorities.

'Let us talk, don't worry' - why the need for barbaric laws such as the blasphemy laws and laws against Ahmadis then? You hypocrites and intolerant hatemongers won't even 'let us talk'.

Lo Ji,
another attempt to interpret Islam according to ones desires.

Blasphemy law is from Islam and to qualify as a Muslim, one has to believe in the finality of Prophet hood of Prophet Muhammad Saw'.

 

[Abu Basit]

@Abu basit my dear brother in Islam please don't argue with them they are a minority and insallah will always remain .

i make Duas for them.

 

[BoseDK]

Lo Ji,
another attempt to interpret Islam according to ones desires.

SO what is the correct interpretation of Islam? More importantly who determines whether the interpretation is correct? You? Mullahs?

 

[Abu Basit]

SO what is the correct interpretation of Islam? More importantly who determines whether the interpretation is correct? You? Mullahs?

i'm not interested in discussing our personal issues with outsiders.
and whoever it is, certainly it's not any xyz from india or america.

 

[BoseDK]

^^^ Why you are so insecure? I am not asking for your Credit card number. I presume you do not have any answer for that.

 

[BoseDK]

whoever it is, certainly it's not any xyz from india or america

Sir there is not a milligram of doubt. It would certainly be some xyz from Saudi Arabia only. That is the place where you are "programmed" to look when you have no answer in matters of faith. Saudians interpretation is authentic, local/ reformist interpretation is wrong. Am I right Mr Basit

 

[muse]

Blasphemy law is from Islam and to qualify as a Muslim, one has to believe in the finality of Prophet hood of Prophet Muhammad Saw'

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See friends, we said to those who would listen, either We, those of us who grew up with "No God but God and Mohammad is His messenger" are Muslims or these radicals quoted above ---- Yes, that is the way it is, if you don't think so, the radicals have bullets and Guns and other "official" friends to persuade you - But we are Muslims, we WILL not be coerced.

"...Suffer slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
OR take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?"

I invite friends to consider these lines - these lines call for an awakening, and to action ---These lines are actually representative of a turning point in the way peoples think - a departure from tribal superstition to the creation and application of reasoned will. Pakistanis have been playing victim for too long, lets stop and play victor.

Today many argue that if we confront them, we will be no better, these persons have not learned the difference between right and wrong, between good and bad, instead they imagine that good is the equal of bad, not it's opposite -- Then some argue that the state organs will protect us, since when has it become acceptable to deny that one has the primary responsibility for protecting themselves?

 

[BoseDK]

My opinions is that Like any other religion, Muslims must have the leniency to partly or fully endorse or partly or fully reject the religious scriptures, including the finality of prophet, arrival of Mahdi, Parda system, Jihad, blasphemy, polygamy etc etc based upon their individual reasoning, and yet have the freedom to call themselves a Muslim. Faith in the supreme, being the only condition for being a Muslim/believer.

 

[Ahmad]

the following is from a Scholar.

Openly mocking someone's faith is not permitted. If the event reaches such a magnitude where it threatens /offends a person or a group of peoples then those individuals or the collective group can launch legal action against the perpetrator, the punishment will be at the discretion of the Qadi.

And Allah Knows Best.

ohh, double standards and hypocracy, isnt it?

 

[Ahmad]

Lo Ji,
another attempt to interpret Islam according to ones desires.

Blasphemy law is from Islam and to qualify as a Muslim, one has to believe in the finality of Prophet hood of Prophet Muhammad Saw'.

yes off course a muslim must believe in Hazrat Mohammad pbuh as the final prophet,what makes you say we dont believe in this?