Blasphemy Law Possible Modifications!

[Ahmad]

i have given answer in detail.

Practically implement Islamic laws and see yourself!

come on abu, why are you skiping the question? is there a punishment or is there not a punishment? a yes or a no will be enough.

 

[BoseDK]

As long as it is self serving, there is no punishment for a muslim who insults other religion. One ammendment in 2.0 could be including punishment for any momeen who insults other religion.

 

[pak-marine]

Abu Basit does have a point. His kind is ready to kill, burn tires and beat up our kind.

#1 The police is the same
#2 The government wants their votes so they are the same
#3 The law supports them

How do you overturn this culture while being a minority? The majority in this case being dumbasses that are wrong, but still majority = power.

liberals cannot demonstrate as they will surely be murdered who will risk it , when these sc*m bag terrorists can attack any one they like

 

[DV RULES]

God said, don't insult other religion as they will insult yours.

Our prophet Muhammad (PBUH) ever excused those who tried to abuse him. I think you know Taif journey by prophet so being messenger of God and holding power to punish he didn't harm them but only pray to God for mercy on them.

Why these problems raised like blasphemy Law results or other?


Because we place Quran & Sunnah (Hadis) on one level which not must be.

How can i believe a book (Sahi Bukhari) which is written 300 years in Iran after death of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) You can imagine what will be shape of Rivayat after 300 years?

Today these more than hundred thousands of Rivayats (Hedith) become a primary book of religion and Quran e Pak only in shelves in beautiful cover & people don't want to consult it because as they usually states A DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND.

Forgive (Muafi or Rehem) these qualities which ever preferred by God in case if you find someone in guilty.

 

[Burger Boy]

Paganism itself is blasphemy. Paganism should be fully banned in Pakistan. The pagan religions must be eradicated (this doesn't neccesarily mean you "eradicate" people) in Islamic land. I am reading people using Prophet Muhammad as example, the very first battles of the Muhammad Rasullah was against pagans, he destroyed their idols in Mecca for the sake of Allahs' cause.

Ban pagan religions in Pakistan, technically I'm thinking blasphemy law by it's own design has already banned pagan religions, the pagan religions are blasphemous. Christianity and Judeaism are not. These religions certainly must be tolerated.

Paganism has influenced Pakistani society a lot more than some people would like to think.

There are many part of Pakistani weddings that are influenced by hindu culture

Eid actually were holidays that replaced two arab pagan festivals

The hilal actually is a pagan Turkish symbol, but is today is a part of Pakistan's identity. Should that be banned as well?

There are many others.....

 

[araz]

You really need to learn a few things before making a highflying statement like not believing Sahih Bukhari. If you dont believe this book, which by the way is authenticated and verified by a great majority of muslim scholars, then what do you believe. How do you then trace the life and times of the prophet(PBUH)? If you disregard the prophets sayings, then how do you know how the Quran is to be interpreted and how ISlam is incorporated in your daily life. Before you commit any more grave mistakes please read how the book was composed, and the meaning of the word "Sahih". Please remember that the Quran is the Order from Allah and the prophets life and sayings(ahadeeth) are its practical implementation. You cannot separate one from the other.
WaSalam
Araz

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You really need to learn a few things before making a highflying statement like not believing Sahih Bukhari. If you dont believe this book, which by the way is authenticated and verified by a great majority of muslim scholars, then what do you believe. How do you then trace the life and times of the prophet(PBUH)? If you disregard the prophets sayings, then how do you know how the Quran is to be interpreted and how ISlam is incorporated in your daily life. Before you commit any more grave mistakes please read how the book was composed, and the meaning of the word "Sahih". Please remember that the Quran is the Order from Allah and the prophets life and sayings(ahadeeth) are its practical implementation. You cannot separate one from the other.
WaSalam
Araz

Is there any divine revelation indicating that 'Sahih Bukhari', or for that matter any of the compilations of hadith, are perfect and uncorrupted?

No matter what the degree of scholarship and research that went into analyzing these compilations of Hadith, the fact remains that they are man-made works of literature based on hearsay and stories passed on through generations over 1400 years. And given the fact that they are based on hearsay and verbal transmission over 1400 years, one cannot rationally argue that the hadith compilations are 'perfect' and uncorrupted.

In fact, when one looks at the kinds of distortions and perversions of the commandments in the Quran ('no compulsion in religion', 'respect and tolerance for all irregardless of religion, caste or creed') that many of our Islamic scholars have propagated over the years, it is rather obvious that the Hadith have been corrupted to undermine the true message of the Quran so the hateful, perverted old man of 'faith' can perpetuate their control and power over people and continue to incite them to hate all those who do not subscribe to their interpretation of faith.

There is no other way to explain the dichotomy and contradictions between the commands of the Quran in favor of 'no compulsion in religion and tolerance and respect for all' and the barbaric acts such as 'death for blasphemy and apostasy' and open discrimination against non-Muslims in Muslim societies that we see prevalent today, justified by Islamic scholars by digging up certain 'Hadith'.

You argue that the Hadith are meant to explain and help in interpreting the Quran, yet what we see happening in the examples I mentioned above is that the Hadith are being used to completely undermine some very basic and simple commands in the Quran. They are being used to offer convoluted and absurd explanations that end up negating the actual message of the Quran.

If anything could be labeled 'blasphemous and sin', it is the use of such Hadith to corrupt the message of the Quran.

 

[Skies]

Blasphemy law can not change people's view or believe on religions even they are punished or hanged. Then what is positive outcome of this law that can not change their mind or believe? Best policy is, counsel with them for long time to educated them, or let the nonbelievers leave on God's judgment for doing blasphemy. Any one who have not seen God or Muhammad can deny their existence, because the total matter is about believing or personal choice for not believing. If any criminal or someone kills, hijacks or steals then he feels guilty, but does any blasphemer feel guilty for doing blasphemy? No, 'cos he thinks he hasn't harmed anyone by doing blasphemy.

 

[DV RULES]

You really need to learn a few things before making a highflying statement like not believing Sahih Bukhari. If you dont believe this book, which by the way is authenticated and verified by a great majority of muslim scholars, then what do you believe. How do you then trace the life and times of the prophet(PBUH)? If you disregard the prophets sayings, then how do you know how the Quran is to be interpreted and how ISlam is incorporated in your daily life. Before you commit any more grave mistakes please read how the book was composed, and the meaning of the word "Sahih". Please remember that the Quran is the Order from Allah and the prophets life and sayings(ahadeeth) are its practical implementation. You cannot separate one from the other.
WaSalam
Araz

Araz

Your reaction doesn't surprise for me, In one Hadith Prophet advised not to write his words as Ravayat, so Hadith itself contradict with own authenticity.
In one more Ravayat it stated that "one person asked Hazrat Aisha about character of Muhammd (PBUH) & she replied read Qur'an & this is character of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
So one more contradiction. If life of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is reflection of Qur'an e Pak then it means automatically authenticity of Hadith lost. Just read Qur'an and you know about rules & regulations of Islam & life of Muhammad (PBUH) in one source.

Only Qur'an e Pak is authentic because god take responsibility to save it.
Other book only creates confusions in Islam.

You know word Shariyah:
You know origin of this word? ...... to be continued

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Blasphemy law can not change people's view or believe on religions even they are punished or hanged. Then what is positive outcome of this law that can not change their mind or believe? Best policy is, counsel with them for long time to educated them, or let the nonbelievers leave on God's judgment for doing blasphemy. Any one who have not seen God or Muhammad can deny their existence, because the total matter is about believing or personal choice for not believing. If any criminal or someone kills, hijacks or steals then he feel guilty, but does any blasphemer feels guilty for doing blasphemy? No, 'cos he thinks he haven't harmed anyone by doing blasphemy.

Blasphemy law is simply a barbaric tool to control free speech, thought and dissent.

This is the equivalent of a regime passing a law making it 'illegal' to criticize the government, in order to get rid of any opponents.

The idea behind the Blasphemy law is the same - the Mullahs want to use and abuse it to remove anyone who challenges their interpretations of Islam or questions it.

 

[VCheng]

Blasphemy law is simply a barbaric tool to control free speech, thought and dissent.

This is the equivalent of a regime passing a law making it 'illegal' to criticize the government, in order to get rid of any opponents.

The idea behind the Blasphemy law is the same - the Mullahs want to use and abuse it to remove anyone who challenges their interpretations of Islam or questions it.

This post is absolutely CORRECT.

 

[Solomon2]

Blasphemy law is simply a barbaric tool to control free speech, thought and dissent.

More than that, it is used as a threat and tool by the mullahs to pry property from those reluctant to part from it. As long as violence-minded people follow the mullahs and as long as they materially benefit from the blasphemy law, how can Pakistanis modify or get rid of it? Pakistan would have to turn 180 degrees and make the very accusation of blasphemy itself a crime!

 

[Manas]

Absolutely, laws are made for people not people for laws -- and laws that are no damn good, like the blasphemy laws are detined for the dustbin of history, just like those who formulated such laws.

The Pakistani had suffered a humiliating defeat, it's very reason for existence had been, successfully, shown to be hollow -- The Pakistani state, as a successor to a colonial state (and in many ways just as colonial) never enjoyed the kind of legitimacy it always should have had and so with the defeat engineered by political elites in what was then West Pakistan, the Pakistan state sought a new narrative, a narrative that allowed it to b that cohesion in society and garner legitimacy -- The traitorous megalomaniac Z. A. Bhutto had calculated that with East Pakistan (the Majority of Pakistan) out of the way, he at the helm of his feudal based party could control what was left of Pakistan in the West -- The Islamist political parties had other plans.

The radical Jamaat e Islami had earned respect by the Pakistan army in particular, for the assistance it offered to the armed forces in their desperate struggle to contain the Mukti Bahini -- And the Islamists had a partner in the person of one General Zia ul Haq, fresh from the killing of thousands of Palestinians, some circles argue that the Pakistan army have killed more Palestinians than Israeli army ever did --

The Islamist political parties and Zia made short work of the Traitor, they then embarked on the project to make what was left of Pakistan in their radical image, the Soviets entrapped themselves and the "ally", US came calling - Islam-ism was grand, and Mujahideen all the rage (Bartenders in NY began serving a nasty, smelly martini called the "Muj") -- Iran went "Islamic" (read Shi'ah) - US money, and especially Saudi money, Egyptian and Israeli arms poured in Pakistan, an entire generation of Pakistanis learnt that it was better to be dead than prosperous and learned.

So while what passes for intellectual elites among Pakistan's so called establishment thought they will use Islam as a force or instrument of social cohesion and increase the legitimacy of the state and the reach of the state in the lives of ordinary Pakistanis, the Islam-icans had a project of their own, they were and are patient, they allowed the uniformed goons to imagine enemies where ever they choose, whether in Karachi, Kabul or in Kashmir -- all the while the Islamican project to Tribalize and then break what was left of Pakistan into fiefdoms in which and through which, radicalized armed "revolutionaries", new Muslims, if you will, would be unleashed on innocent Muslim societies first but then the entire world -- this strategy was in line with the two Jihad the Wahabi waged to secure control over all others on the Arabian Peninsula - this strategy is now close to bearing fruit, though some find such fruit , bitter.

it takes courage to accept the truth.I hope they teach this in history books of Pakistani schools and similarly about many other hidden facts. So that they developed a nuanced outlook towards contentious issues in general one of which is the blasphemy laws.

 

[muse]

You really need to learn a few things before making a highflying statement like not believing Sahih Bukhari.

Think about this calmly: Why was such a text necessary?? Why was there a need seen for such a Text?? Obviously, because it was felt that the entire Hadith project was considered a joke by a majority of Muslims --- Sahih "Bukhari", as in from Bukhara, the text was compiled when?? And how many years after the events that it purports to claim was this work compiled???

We are Muslims, we worship neither idols, be they prophets or those who may have been their friends or companions, or be they ideas such as Mullahism and politicians who masquerade in the guise of religious roles and titles - We are Muslims, Islam is our confession, Faith In God is our life's great endeavor and we need no one between us and God, no Mullah, no scholar, no government, no school.

 

[Mutee]

@Abu basit my dear brother in Islam please don't argue with them they are a minority and insallah will always remain so there a beautiful incident from the life of hazart Abu hanifa brother SURB posted it on my wall read that and let them say whatever they want to this is what they want that we get into an argument with them let them talk among themselves wallaho kherul makreen and Quran says "nabi Kia tum nay much away login ko daikha hai Jo Allah per Bahis ko aamada rehatay? Lakin un Kay pass na aqal hai na hidiyat na keeetabay mobeen" let them talk don't worry .