Blasphemy Law Possible Modifications!

[Ahmad]

We are back to square one.

no we are not, if you kill somebody just because he/she changed his religion, then dont claim that we have a peacefull religion.

 

[Ahmad]

I will keep that in mind.

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What about the religion? Dont you think we will be killing it with our misinterpretations?

i am sure it wont die, and if it get killed because of our misinterpretation, then that is not the right religion.

 

[Mutee]

MR MUSE i havr reported your post for making fun of a hadees in sahah sitta this is serious matter you can make fun of us but not hadees i am wating for the action to be taken against you

 

[VCheng]

The display of ignorance and intolerance by the self appointed protectors of Islam is breathtaking in its self-delusional righteousness.

How can a special person like Muhammad (PBUH) who was sent to earth as a blessing for all mankind be used as a cause to kill or jail or even sanction anybody? This is the same man who declared his worst enemies' house as a sanctuary when he rode into Mecca in triumph, and never even said a bad word about the people of Taif who made his shoes stick to his feet with his own blood?

Muhammad's own conduct and sayings speak much louder than any of the other sources quoted so far by those blinded by their dogma and their hatred towards their fellow mankind who do not share their beliefs. If unanimity was such an important requisite, then why did Allah Himself create all the world with its different peoples and religions of all kinds? Indeed, that was only to show His magnificence and infinite wisdom, not for followers of His faiths to kill or hate each other.

I pray to Allah to forgive all those who preach murder and hatred in His name, for they know not what cruelty they try to perpetuate, for I also know that they will be defeated by those who carry true love for Islam and all of mankind in their hearts. Ameen.

 

[Awesome]

MR MUSE i havr reported your post for making fun of a hadees in sahah sitta this is serious matter you can make fun of us but not hadees i am wating for the action to be taken against you

Let's review:

As you read this, remember to breathe

Please do.

-- hadith are said to be the collection of stuff people have heard attributed to the prophet of Islam - I would like to point out I am not making fun of these, it's rather that these are funny

Okkk...

-- it seems that as soon as some Islamican come up with a problem with reality, the number of Hadith increases - and how many do we have by now? a couple of hundred thousand?? Does that even make sense to you?? See, I think you are not being fair to those who are amused by this hadith business, these funny by themselves -- WHY?

Yes why?

Because instead of using reason and developing awareness, discussion and temporary consensus (the true method of Islam) -- by the way temporary consensus because our knowledge is evolving, it is the nature of knowledge that it increases and abates - historical experience, middle AKA dark ages -- that is why the body of laws developed by Islamic Scholars, when such waqs actually done, reflects change - the change is a representation of their understanding, their knowledge changing ---so instead of this method, what islamicans do is they come up with the idea of hadith - -so what does this do??

Aah, yeah and what does that do?

1. It alienates Muslims from their confession -- Think about it - Now you no longer have to think or debate or discuss or research or be aware of the reality of peoples experience -- so Muslims do not participate in the creation of their experience of their religion, they merely recieve from on high or low or absurdity.

Ok so reliance upon man written Hadiths as divine instruction does:

1. Stop you from thinking
2. Stop you from debating within yourselves
3. Stops you from using life experience towards leading your religious life
4. It forces you to receive instructions from people who know better. Raising Mullahs to the level of doctors. Making a person's belief a disease that doctor Mullahs have to treat.

What else?

2. As it alienates Muslims from Islam, Mercy itself is diminished in the universe -- Do you understand this?? Do you follow the relationship between submission to the will of God, the Good and Mercy???

Don't suffer, Islam is liberation, not suffering - if you find that you suffer and your posts suggest that you do, get yourself to a position where you can at least consider things where your learning can increase - please do not allow yourself to suffer

A couple of things to recap that have been said before

1. People pointed out that the Prophet himself beared a lot of insult onto him and then ultimately forgave them.

It is countered by: The Prophet can forgive sins against him, but we can't.

2. God has given us free will and did not use God's Will, to force humans not to blaspheme.

Probably countered by: "But this is our test, we should kill blasphemers to prove to god our love for him". Sort of like a bonus stage to make some extra points.

You seriously reported this post? It was awesome. Stuff people should write books about. Those were a thinkers comments. The problem arises when you start thumping blasphemy laws just when someone says, "You know those Hadiths? Those things that people say the Prophet said and some guys documented them 200 years afterwards? I think They are wrong".

"Wajib-ul-Qatal, Wajib-ul-Qatal, Wajib-ul-Qatal, Wajib-ul-Qatal"

 

[PoKeMon]

As you read this, remember to breathe -- hadith are said to be the collection of stuff people have heard attributed to the prophet of Islam - I would like to point out I am not making fun of these, it's rather that these are funny -- it seems that as soon as some Islamican come up with a problem with reality, the number of Hadith increases - and how many do we have by now? a couple of hundred thousand?? Does that even make sense to you?? See, I think you are not being fair to those who are amused by this hadith business, these funny by themselves -- WHY?

Because instead of using reason and developing awareness, discussion and temporary consensus (the true method of Islam) -- by the way temporary consensus because our knowledge is evolving, it is the nature of knowledge that it increases and abates - historical experience, middle AKA dark ages -- that is why the body of laws developed by Islamic Scholars, when such waqs actually done, reflects change - the change is a representation of their understanding, their knowledge changing ---so instead of this method, what islamicans do is they come up with the idea of hadith - -so what does this do??
1. It alienates Muslims from their confession -- Think about it - Now you no longer have to think or debate or discuss or research or be aware of the reality of peoples experience -- so Muslims do not participate in the creation of their experience of their religion, they merely recieve from on high or low or absurdity.

2. As it alienates Muslims from Islam, Mercy itself is diminished in the universe -- Do you understand this?? Do you follow the relationship between submission to the will of God, the Good and Mercy???

Don't suffer, Islam is liberation, not suffering - if you find that you suffer and your posts suggest that you do, get yourself to a position where you can at least consider things where your learning can increase - please do not allow yourself to suffer

Great post.
Sum up all.

 

[Abu Basit]

not again,

looks like the tiny liberal trash are once again feeling the pain.
will you guyz ever do something practical or just shout in forums.......pathetic!

 

[SorrelVesper]

not again,

looks like the tiny liberal trash are once again feeling the pain.
will you guyz ever do something practical or just shout in forums.......pathetic!

Have YOU ever done anything at all? At least pointed out a solution for a problem in a forum? Let alone doing it 'practically', huh?

 

[Ahmad]

not again,

looks like the tiny liberal trash are once again feeling the pain.
will you guyz ever do something practical or just shout in forums.......pathetic!

honeslty, do you blame them if they dont do anyting practical? the interent is the only safe place that they can have their voice heard, otherwise nobody will want to share the fate of Mr. Taseer and Bhatti.

 

[khurasaan1]

i am sure it wont die, and if it get killed because of our misinterpretation, then that is not the right religion.

The right religion can never get killed by our misrepresentation instead we gonna get killed...so we gotta be careful in our steps(using our mouth etc)...

 

[khurasaan1]

not again,

looks like the tiny liberal trash are once again feeling the pain.
will you guyz ever do something practical or just shout in forums.......pathetic!

Dont worry the time for liberal trash ( Alhamdolillah) is very short. Insha-Allah they will not find any place in this world to hide...cuz they r digging their own grave...

 

[VCheng]

Dont worry the time for liberal trash ( Alhamdolillah) is very short. Insha-Allah they will not find any place in this world to hide...cuz they r digging their own grave...

Don't worry the time for these religious bigots ( Alhamdolillah) is very short. Insha-Allah they will not find any place in this world to hide because they are digging their own grave with the help of those on Islam's true path...

 

[Thomas]

Are you saying that narrative is sufficient to justify killing a pregnant woman (or your spouse in the privacy of a bedroom) and go scotfree based on hearsay evidence with no further due process necessary? That is just plain stupid, crazy and dangerous.

Would that statement make you liable under Pakistans Blasphemy law?

 

[VCheng]

Would that statement make you liable under Pakistans Blasphemy law?

Nope, since I have not mentioned any religion or prophet in my statement.

I am merely pointing out that the conclusions based on the premise being falsely portrayed are "just plain stupid, crazy and dangerous" since they make a mockery of due process.

 

[53fd]

Scrap this evil, manmade, un-Islamic law.