Blasphemy case: Masjid imam offers reward to kill Aasia

[BATMAN]

I think Pakistani judiciary has been acknowledged by the western world as fare and free.
Iftikhar ch. is declared most honest and rewarded CJ by US and Europe.
If same judiciary has decided her case than she is truly criminal and laws of state clearly define the punishment.

Any technical solutions by any one? How can she be pardoned?

 

[Vassnti]

I agree it is wrong to declare head money but this is also legal in Pakistan.

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Its legal to hire some to kill some one in Pakistan ????
I might just get a legal opinion first but 500,000rs works out around $7,700 NZ Im sure we can rake that together I wonder how the Iman would feel about some offering the same amount for his head.

Perhaps i am just missunderstanding, head money would be some thing rather different in NZ

 

[airuah]

i think pakistan really requires an anti -terrorism law....which states that any person who supports terrorists (even by speech) can be arrested and prosecuted for action against national interests

 

[BATMAN]

Its legal to hire some to kill some one in Pakistan ????
I might just get a legal opinion first but 500,000rs works out around $7,700 NZ Im sure we can rake that together I wonder how the Iman would feel about some offering the same amount for his head.

Perhaps i am just missunderstanding, head money would be some thing rather different in NZ

All is legal if you pay a kick back to state minister or his siblings.

I mentioned fact.... our judiciary have no problem with such extra-judicial deals, at least no such objection ever came to my knowledge.

Region is infested with mercenaries (a.k.a, private security agencies agencies) head money is being paid and received for many dying daily.

Our President has stated that he will be assassinated, therefore he sought US support for security.

 

[BATMAN]

i think pakistan really requires an anti -terrorism law....which states that any person who supports terrorists (even by speech) can be arrested and prosecuted for action against national interests

Our judiciary read quite opposite.
We have released terrorist captured in encounter and judicial cases are under way against those security officials who were assigned the task to fight against the armed and offensive terrorist.
Our politician openly support terrorist of red Mosque. Who will implement on such law?

 

[Salik]

Ilm Din was a man of dubious character who was riled up by the mullahs to commit the murder of that Hindu publisher. Only religious extremists glorify him and have used him as some sort of example for others to follow.

As for Iqbal and that very peculiar statement, Iqbal had always been contradictory. He would write one thing in the morning and another thing at night.

Iqbal... what about Mawlana Zafar Ali Khan who said ahead of the burial: "Alas! If only if I had managed to attain such a blessed status!"


The case of Ghazi Ilm Din went to court and Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah was his defence lawyer. Jinnah urged Ilm Din to enter a plea of not guilty plea and to say that he had acted due to extreme provocation. The fact that Ilm Din was only 19 years old would have also worked in his favour. Ilm Din refused to offer such a plea and insisted that he was proud of his actions. This case was the only one that Jinnah ever lost.

 

[EgO Boy]

So.. in other words.. as I am to understand the past few posts..
Muslims have the capability to go and verbally abuse a Christan or a Jew..insult his religion..his parents..his beliefs..and then if he/she so retaliates in kind about the Prophet..they can kill him and expect Jannah..

Conclusively..
God has given Muslims the right to plunder and pillage all over the world.. on the basis of provocation without accountability.
Suddenly...all these modern Islam revivalists have painted the most unusual picture of islam.. contradicting itself at every turn.
So while we say "Ar-Rahman ar raheem".. it doesnt really mean god feels that way??
And while the prophet reportedly went and asked about the woman's health who used to throw trash on him every day when she did not show up as she was ill.. He would not have problems with somebody murdering a pregnant woman if she abused him?

Are we sure Islam means peace..or pieces in Arabic?
Because as far as most Pakistani's are concerned.. it seems the latter.
..pardon my bluntness..
but the merciful nature of the prophet.. his immense personality.. is left for Qtv and Friday sermons..
God is no longer forgiving ... but a ruthless being who would see all of us burn in hell (with great regret off-course)unless we follow what these Mullah's say...
And people who blindly follow them because they dont even wish to learn.. "ham purane hain" is their excuse...they will inhale hatred spewed by their turbaned leaders against all those they term as Jahilliya..

Truly..
The end of times is near..
The Quran is with the incorrigible Jahilliya....no longer with the learned man..
And like all great powers...this greatest power..is creating destruction never imagined before.. even secularists could not damage Islam as these people are.
Nobody wishes to speak up and stop them either..
after all.. I dare say..."iman ki kamzoori jo hai".[/QUOTE]


YOU SAID IT ALL IN UR LAST SENTENCE.

 

[Salik]

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Those who want reference from the Holly Quran read this Surah





Abu Lahab said about the Prophet peace and blessings, "May you perish!”
May you perish means I hope you die!
Thus then Allah revealed Surat Al Masad. Allah Almighty never tolerated insulting his beloved Prophet.

 

[Salik]

where does this guy get his Rs. 500,000? & it would be interesting to know about how much money did this guy donate for flood relief?

If someone insult your father then I will ask what comes first teaching a lesson to that son of bich or donate in relief fund


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Bad thing is that mullah is challenging the rit of the govt.

 

[EgO Boy]

first of all since you highlighted crappy let me define that to first as you seem making a big deal out of it """ by crappy i meant this mullah and alike who offered head money on this women i do not mean to offend any big personalities (N.B) !! secondly i have been through your post it and i will refer to Quran and NO where it mentions saying those who (God forbid) abuse Prohet Mohd(pbuh) and Allah must be killed the only place i noticed some thing i will quote it here::



Now as per ^^ above quote from Holy book death sentence doesnt fit as its applicable to a specific group if you read it for those WHO WAGE WAR or those who MISCHIEF in the land.... also by wrong interprations i meant the defination of both words ! kindly try and read it your self if you have a minute .... most importantly i would also like to see the full Surah or at least summary of the Surah to understand in what context the above is written in Quran.

Punishment for Blasphemy in the Light of Religious Scriptures

If you say, Pakistan is the land of hot issues it would not be a false statement at all. Whether it is the religious, political, economic or social issues; Pakistan is the place you will find on top of all. Lately, the issue of blasphemy has arisen when a session court (lower court) sentence Asiay Bibi (who was Christian by faith) to death after finding her guilty her of sacrilegious comments.

The debate of repealing this law has come out of blue this time after 2-3 decades of legislation regarding. There are several opinions regarding this blasphemy act 295 (c) of the constitution of Islamic Republic of Pakistan. There are oodles of angles to this law, whether it be religious, democratic, political or human right.

We have gathered some evidences from the Quran, Hadith, Sunnah and history (compiled by historians) for the exact punishment for blasphemy. This will also answer the most asked question “What Muhammad (S.A.W) would have done?” and many supplementary questions like “What Quran says?”, “Is there any evidence in Hadith?” and “What other religions say about blasphemy?”


Let’s start from a Quranic verse:



The above verse of Surah e Ahzab (Chapter 33:6) shows the right of a Allah’s Apostle Muhammad (S.A.W) on Muslims. It is clear from the word of GOD that Muhammad (S.A.W) has more right over our lives and closest of relations.

The following Reference of Holy Quran Chapter 4 V 65 was revealed when a man was beheaded by the Hazrat Umar (R.A) due to non compliance of judgment given by Holy prophet Mohammad (S.A.W).



Context of Revelation (Chapter 4, V 65):

Al-Hafiz Abu Ishaq Ibrahim bin `Abdur-Rahman bin Ibrahim bin Duhaym recorded that Damrah narrated that two men took their dispute to the Prophet , and he gave a judgment to the benefit of whoever among them had the right. The person who lost the dispute said, “I do not agree.” The other person asked him, “What do you want then” He said, “Let us go to Abu Bakr As-Siddiq.” They went to Abu Bakr and the person who won the dispute said, “We went to the Prophet with our dispute and he issued a decision in my favor.” Abu Bakr said, “Then the decision is that which the Messenger of Allah issued.” The person who lost the dispute still rejected the decision and said, “Let us go to `Umar bin Al-Khattab.” When they went to `Umar, the person who won the dispute said, “We took our dispute to the Prophet and he decided in my favor, but this man refused to submit to the decision.” `Umar bin Al-Khattab asked the second man and he concurred. `Umar went to his house and emerged from it holding aloft his sword. He struck the head of the man who rejected the Prophet’s decision with the sword and killed him. Consequently, Allah revealed, the aforementioned verse. [Context taken from Tafseer Ibn-e-Kathir]

Let’s get to another verse where Allah (SWT) announces the punishment for enemies (of ALLAH and His Apostle) and who so ever attributes disgrace to Allah and His Apostle Mohammad (S.A.W).



May we present another verse from the Quran where Allah immediately answers to the sacrilegious comment made by the blood relative (uncle) of Allah’s Apostle Mohammad (S.A.W).



Context of Revelation

Abu Lahab (Father of Flame) was the nickname of ‘Abd Al-’Uzza, the Holy Prophet’s uncle and his inveterate enemy and persecutor. He was so called either because his complexion and hair were ruddy or also because he had a fiery temper. The Surah recalls an incident during the early preaching of the Holy Prophet (S.A.W). On being commanded by Allah (S.W.T) to call together his relatives and to deliver to them the Divine Message, the Holy Prophet, one day, stood on mount Safa and called the different Meccan (Makkah’s) tribes by name, the tribes of Luwayy, Murrah, Kilab and Qusayy and his near relatives, and told them that he is God’s Messenger, and that if they did not accept his Message and did not give up their evil ways, Divine punishment would overtake them. The Holy Prophet had hardly his speech, when Abu Lahab stood up and said, ‘Ruin seize thee, is it for this that thou hast called us together’ (Bukhari).

Another precedent from the Holy Quran where Allah (Swt) directly replied to Waleed bin Mughaira, who called Mohammad (S.A.W) Majnoon (Insane) by uncovering the hidden truth regarding his illegitimate birth upon him.



Now let’s move to the evidences from Hadiths.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 372:

Narrated Al-Bara:

Allah’s Apostle sent ‘Abdullah bin ‘Atik and ‘Abdullah bin ‘Utba with a group of men to Abu Rafi (to kill him). They proceeded till they approached his castle, whereupon Abdullah bin Atik said to them, “Wait (here), and in the meantime I will go and see.” ‘Abdullah said later on, “I played a trick in order to enter the castle. By chance, they lost a donkey of theirs and came out carrying a flaming light to search for it. I was afraid that they would recognize me, so I covered my head and legs and pretended to answer the call to nature. The gatekeeper called, ‘Whoever wants to come in, should come in before I close the gate.’ So I went in and hid myself in a stall of a donkey near the gate of the castle. They took their supper with Abu Rafi and had a chat till late at night. Then they went back to their homes. When the voices vanished and I no longer detected any movement, I came out. I had seen where the gate-

keeper had kept the key of the castle in a hole in the wall. I took it and unlocked the gate of the castle, saying to myself, ‘If these people should notice me, I will run away easily.’ Then I locked all the doors of their houses from outside while they were inside, and ascended to Abu Rafi by a staircase. I saw the house in complete darkness with its light off, and I could not know where the man was. So I called, ‘O Abu Rafi!’ He replied, ‘Who is it?’ I proceeded towards the voice and hit him. He cried loudly but my blow was futile. Then I came to him, pretending to help him, saying with a different tone of my voice, ‘ What is wrong with you, O Abu Rafi?’ He said, ‘Are you not surprised? Woe on your mother! A man has come to me and hit me with a sword!’ So again I aimed at him and hit him, but the blow proved futile again, and on that Abu Rafi cried loudly and his wife got up. I came again and changed my voice as if I were a helper, and found Abu Rafi lying straight on his back, so I drove the sword into his belly and bent on it till I heard the sound of a bone break. Then I came out, filled with astonishment and went to the staircase to descend, but I fell down from it and got my leg dislocated. I bandaged it and went to my companions limping. I said (to them), ‘Go and tell Allah’s Apostle of this good news, but I will not leave (this place) till I hear the news of his (i.e. Abu Rafi’s) death.’ When dawn broke, an announcer of death got over the wall and announced, ‘I convey to you the news of Abu Rafi’s death.’ I got up and proceeded without feeling any pain till I caught up with my companions before they reached the Prophet to whom I conveyed the good news.”

At the conquest of Makkah:

Holy prophet Mohammad (S.A.W) announced general amnesty to all except those who were guilty of blasphemous acts and sacrilegious statements, Ibn e Khatal was one of the convict (Tareekh-e-Tabari Page 104 / History written by Al Tabari) This is evident from the following Hadith.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 582:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

On the day of the Conquest, the Prophet entered Mecca, wearing a helmet on his head. When he took it off, a man came and said, “Ibn Khatal is clinging to the curtain of the Ka’ba.” The Prophet said, “Kill him.”

Sahih Bukahri Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:

Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah:

Allah’s Apostle said, “Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?” Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, “O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?” The Prophet said, “Yes,” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). “The Prophet said, “You may say it.” Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, “That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you.” On that, Kab said, “By Allah, you will get tired of him!” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food.”

(Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) Kab said, “Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me.” Muhammad bin Mas-lama and his companion said, “What do you want?” Ka’b replied, “Mortgage your women to me.” They said, “How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the ‘Arabs?” Ka’b said, “Then mortgage your sons to me.” They said, “How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people’s saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you. “Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad would return to him. He came to Kab at night along with Kab’s foster brother, Abu Na’ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, “Where are you going at this time?” Kab replied, “None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na’ila have come.” His wife said, “I hear a voice as if dropping blood is from him, Ka’b said. “They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed.” Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as ‘Abu bin Jabr. Al Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and sail to them, “When Ka’b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head.” Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said. “have never smelt a better scent than this. Ka’b replied. “I have got the best Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume.” Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka’b “Will you allow me to smell your head?” Ka’b said, “Yes.” Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka’b again, “Will you let me (smell your head)?” Ka’b said, “Yes.” When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), “Get at him!” So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf.”

Punishment in Bible for blasphemy:

The punishment for blasphemy in most of the major religions is death. It is stated in the Old Testament of the Bible, which is the authority for both the Jews and the Christians:

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: [Book of Leviticus 24:16]

A reference from Hindu Scripture:

“If a man born of a lower class intentionally bothers a priest, the king should punish him physically with various forms of corporal and capital punishment that make men shudder.” [Manusmriti 9:248]

Conclusion:

It is evident from the above references that the punishment for the act of blasphemy in any religion or any form is very severe. Hence, people who are waging a campaign against the article 295 (c) of the constitution is not only aligned with Islamic, Christianity and Hinduism religious law. The law is also compliant with the ethical and moral values of society Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

In a nutshell, this law should stay in place to prevent blasphemous acts. But by no means, anyone should be allowed to use this law for personal vendetta or misuse it. Procedural changes should be made with the consent of Ulema to prevent the misuse of the underlying law.

For me above refrences r enough and iam NOT APOLOGETIC ABOUT IT.

 

[Yeti]

Manusmriti is not word of God it is man made text. ManuSmriti is one of the most heavily criticized of the scriptures of Hinduism, having been attacked by colonial scholars, modern liberals, Hindu reformists, Dalit advocates, feminists , Marxists and certain groups of traditional Hindus, namely Smartas[citation needed]. Much of its criticism stems from its unknown authority, as some believe the text to be authoritative, but others do not. There is also debate over whether the text has suffered from later interpolations of verses.


All religious text can be manipulated even the Bible contain verses similar to the Quran.

One of the widest perceptions in the Western world, especially after the attacks of September 11, is that Islam's holy book, the Quran, promotes conflict, violence and bloodshed.

Muslims argue that many of the verses of the Quran – such as the one asking the Prophet Muhammad and his followers to "slay them [unbelievers] wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out" – are taken out of context.

Muslim scholars say that the scriptures have been intentionally misused by Muslims and non-Muslims alike to advance political agendas.

Critics say that the texts promote extremism, and that Islam has left a trail of blood across world history.

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[EgO Boy]

I think Pakistani judiciary has been acknowledged by the western world as fare and free.
Iftikhar ch. is declared most honest and rewarded CJ by US and Europe.
If same judiciary has decided her case than she is truly criminal and laws of state clearly define the punishment.

Any technical solutions by any one? How can she be pardoned?[/QUOTE]




So u would dig into every law book on earth to save a BLASPHEMER, but wont lift a finger if some innocent muslima is ******* in US jail, should i eleborate or point taken.

 

[SQ8]

If someone insult your father then I will ask what comes first teaching a lesson to that son of bich or donate in relief fund


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Bad thing is that mullah is challenging the rit of the govt.

If someone insults my father after I call his father a f**king retard.. a low life.. and his mother a w're....
Who is wrong?
Me or him..
Oh wait.. doesn't matter.. i can say all I want....but the other guy is wrong..dubious standards to start with.

The blasphemy law itself is not incorrect..
No tom dick and hari should be allowed to come out and say anything against the prophet as he/she wills it.
However.. even then.. reasons should be known..
does your example of a free poet..and a tormented woman have ANY relevance??

Now.. does salman Rushdie deserve to die?? yes he does..
People like ayaan ali hirsi.. ehsan jami.. who speak out of comfortable homes and with no reason other than contempt for Islam.


What does this poor women ... who went out of frustration.. after her family were forced to go thirsty..have in common with them.

As I stated before.. Islam has gone to the illiterate.. people who speak out of only emotions..who no longer use they Qiyas.. or Ijmah.. and when these are used there are usually fat slobby halwa eaters making those decisions...
People like these who themselves have no concept of hygiene.. or manners.. or anything. Something that the prophet appreciated..
are now the so called "bearers" of Islam.
Where Islam is no longer a religion of understanding.. and by understanding I mean a religion for us to understand..every aspect of it... but left to the interpretation of these new "turds"...
Out of these people.. only a few deserve their status.. yet Pakistan worships them..and their word.

After all.. when people need them for their rituals.. they are elevated.
The people speaking out for the womans death are nothing more than glorified Masjid Mullah's.
Those who took the job of knowing the namaz janazah..and have that tiny book to read from at eid prayers.
Let the emotionally charged..yet intellectually deficient follow with "labbaik" then..

This case needs to go to the supreme court.. knowing all the facts.
and then it should be decided if she is guilty of blasphemy without any compulsion..or out of emotion.. as I believe Mohammad Ali Jinnah would plead her case if he were around.

And ego boy..
could you give me the complete details of Aafia siddiqui's case..
The court evidence.. the testimonies..etc?

 

[T-Faz]

Iqbal... what about Mawlana Zafar Ali Khan who said ahead of the burial: "Alas! If only if I had managed to attain such a blessed status!"

So why did Maulana Zafar did not commit the murder himself, the fact is that these religious figures were politically inclined and used such instances to gain a foothold in the British Indian politics.

Zafar Ali was known for his hardline views and such is expected of him.

The case of Ghazi Ilm Din went to court and Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah was his defence lawyer. Jinnah urged Ilm Din to enter a plea of not guilty plea and to say that he had acted due to extreme provocation. The fact that Ilm Din was only 19 years old would have also worked in his favour. Ilm Din refused to offer such a plea and insisted that he was proud of his actions. This case was the only one that Jinnah ever lost.

Jinnah was not Ilam Din's trial lawyer, he was only brought in later when Ilam Din filed a mercy petition to the King Emperor asking for a pardon.

Ilam Din had earlier pleaded guilty in his case for the murder he commited. At the behest of Iqbal and a few others, Jinnah was called in after Ilam Din decided to ask for a pardon.

Ilam Din was a street kid who was used by Mullahs to commit an unnecessary murder and a few religious leaders exploited the situation.

VIEW: The Ilam Din fiasco and lies about Jinnah | Pak Tea House

 

[ajtr]

LHC prevents government from amending blasphemy law​

LAHORE: The Lahore High Court (LHC) on Monday issued stay orders preventing any amendment in the blasphemy law until further judicial proceedings, DawnNews reported.

The petition filed by a citizen Muhammed Nasir states that the parliament has no right to amend the blasphemy law.

In reponse to Chief Justice Khawaja Mohammad Sharif’s inquiry, the Deputy Attorney General said that no such amendment is going to be presented in the parliament by the government.

The court ordered not to present any bill regarding the blasphemy law until it delivers a verdict on the case. The court issued notices to the federal government for December 23.

The court also postponed the hearing of the petition filed for Aasia Bibi’s pardon in the blasphemy case.