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Blame it on Raheel..!!

Sir, after 70 years, it is clear that Pakistan has already decided what it wants. That is why we have the system we do, including what you say here:



As an example, NS is a creation of General Zia's time. The list goes on. I would even remove the word "indirectly". The Army is directly responsible for the state of affairs today. It is an integral part of the crook's cabal that holds power in Pakistan.



Except that Pakistan's involvement is indirect at present, and not acknowledged thus far. Let the commitments already made be made public and one would understand.

As to the decision I am yet to be convinced. If it has been done then good as it may take a decade or so for things to get sorted.
I am fully aware of what commitments PA has made vis a vis Yemen. I have been writing in a few posts regarding the matter. I thought it was the best way to deal with the matter. The role is advisory and at the same time fully supportive of maintenance of Saudi integrity. This is what PA as well as successive Governements have assured the Saudis in the past. However no strike elements have been committed. More importantly the public perception has been one of nonallignment in this unfortunate incident.
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Hi,

The general was informed around 1 1/2 years ago what was coming---. He missed his first opportunity when the egyptian gemneral overthrew the govt---. Gen Raheel could have ridden that wave---the U S was cornered---.

But Gen Sahib wanted to be a NICE guy---or you can say---a man without a tactical strategical and futuristic insight. He was never a commander in chief material.

He did not need to come into power---but should have forced re-election.

Then he stayed away from the Yemen crisis---. That would have been a game changer for Pakistan financially and militarily---but he cowered as most pakistani generals do---a nice and a wonderful guy---but committed many a tactical blunders one after the other---.

Only a idiot would get Pak armed forces involved in the Yemen conflict when
1)the army it self is out stretched trying to control the threats from the eastern and western borders, karachi and the ongoing operations in Balochistan and Fata

2) why the hell would the army get involved in Yemen when Iran is our neighbour and is likely to cause so many problems to our national interests if we decided to get involved in Yemen. CPEC would be a dream right now if we were bombing yemen.

Having three neighbours intent on harming pakistan India, AFG and Iran would be political sucide
 
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As to the decision I am yet to be convinced. If it has been done then good as it may take a decade or so for things to get sorted.
I am fully aware of what commitments PA has made vis a vis Yemen. I have been writing in a few posts regarding the matter. I thought it was the best way to deal with the matter. The role is advisory and at the same time fully supportive of maintenance of Saudi integrity. This is what PA as well as successive Governements have assured the Saudis in the past. However no strike elements have been committed. More importantly the public perception has been one of nonallignment in this unfortunate incident.
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Whatever has happened in the past, from now onwards, if the election cycle is permitted to go on regularly and without interference, we may yet see the whole situation improve with gradual strengthening of the institutions that Pakistan needs to remain viable in the 21st century.

To General Raheel's credit, he has improved the internal security situation tremendously, but he has also let everyone know who is really in charge without an overt coup. Quite clever strategy, I must say, but then it is not different than what has happened in the past, which keeps Pakistan in the same predicament.

Quite a conundrum.

As far as policy regarding Yemen is concerned, right or wrong, it is yet another reminder who runs foreign policy.

So this is the basic decision: does Pakistan continue to work as it has in the past, or does it chart a new course? For every hope that things might change for the better, there is always a stark reminder that the old ways of doing things remain strong.

Which way it eventually decides is anybody's guess at the moment.
 
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The biggest failure of the Pakistani "deep state", is not to realise that danger to the state has always been these so called political mafia/elite which will do whatever it takes , even hurting national interests for the sake of their petty personal gains. No country worth its salt will allow the scumbags to rise and rule like it happen in Pakistan on regular basis.
 
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I think we need to decide as a nation once and for all what we want. Governance and corruption has gone hand in hand evefy where in the world. Corruption may be of multiple kinds but corruption it remains. The western governments engage in it and we have seen multiple examples of it in France, UK, USAto name a few. It gets publicised and people get riled up but no one shouts for the army to come in and shoot the basket cases.
The grave of a politician is the ballot box. I think it has been very smart strategy to not allow the marsh mallows of Pakistani politics to become martyrs. Political roughage needs to be flushed down the political toilet. This is the only way for this dross to get cleared out.
If you are in the hot chair you want to ensure you are llowed to get on and do whtever you want in which ever way you want. Any hinderance needs to be dealt with. So why do people blame the Shareefs for taking care of their own.
The army has not been without its faults and the problem with the army has always been one of complacency and mukk muka to get by. What did the army achieve in governamce and why are all these crooks still in power which seeems to permeate down the chain. Because the army also needs crooks to run the affairs of the state. The fact remains that the army rule is indirectly responsible for the continuance of the sme names and their crooked policies.I would have been a lot more happierif the army had come in and disposed of permanently all the crooked politicians and left after having reset the system. It clearly chose to not do so and therefore in my humble opinion failed the very purpose for which it allegedly took over power.
Raheel Shareef has followed in the foot steps of Kiyani in allowing the politicians to wollow in their own muddy bath tubs and come out with their bpackened faces to ask the people for votes. The ballot is what they fear and so the army should allow them to cace their worst fear.
As to Yemen it was a good move to keep out. I have looked back at history and all of the forays into foreign lands for 0ersonal gain has resulted in long term harm to the country, Afghanistan(no matter how unwillingly) is a good example. So all in all the game has heen played well and I hope 2018 will tell us whether we have stepped forwarsld or taken a step back. Till then let the rumour mills reign supreme.
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I agree with by you if Army takes full responsibility of ensuring fareness in election through monitoring at every step. Otherwise rest assured noonies have completely planned to rig coming elections. Even Quaid e Azam can't win without electoral reforms
 
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Two of raheels best decisions were not to interfere in political process when repeatedly provoked by goon and joke (IK and TUQ or vice versa) and not to participate in yemen war despite obvious benefits....

Some decisions are silent but there effects are felt for centuries to come... these are such 2 decisions... in my opinion
 
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Hi,

The general was informed around 1 1/2 years ago what was coming---. He missed his first opportunity when the egyptian gemneral overthrew the govt---. Gen Raheel could have ridden that wave---the U S was cornered---.

But Gen Sahib wanted to be a NICE guy---or you can say---a man without a tactical strategical and futuristic insight. He was never a commander in chief material.

He did not need to come into power---but should have forced re-election.

Then he stayed away from the Yemen crisis---. That would have been a game changer for Pakistan financially and militarily---but he cowered as most pakistani generals do---a nice and a wonderful guy---but committed many a tactical blunders one after the other---.






He did his job very well

We are already problem from Afghanistan and India if we would have gone Iran would have jumped to India Afghanistan camp.


@Zibago
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/156389-Blame-it-on-Raheel
 
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He did his job very well

We are already problem from Afghanistan and India if we would have gone Iran would have jumped to India Afghanistan camp.


@Zibago
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/156389-Blame-it-on-Raheel


Hi,

Iran is already in India / AFG camp---it is just waiting for the oppurtune moment---.

Yemen involvement would have broken the shackles off Pakistan.

To start---the security forces would hit hard on the anti shia element in pakistan---and wipe out as many as they could---.

The position of power gained in Yemen would also be a position of power in the the Gulf---. So much so that Pakistan could dictate how many jobs the pakistanis would get and how many indians would repatriated.

Next would be the military's weapons buildup---with a 25-30 billion dollars budget and bases in yemen---pakistan's tactical condition would have totally changed---.

Saudi arabia and the gulf states had presented themselves on a platter to pakistan---thus I called it an EAST INDIA COMPANY moment for pakistan.

Just like Benazir sold out the country to india by inviting them to attack pakistan---in a similar manner at first Zardari sold pakistan to the U S to get in power---and following his footsteps---Nawaz sold pakistan to both India and the U S.

How desperately isd India trying to keep Nawaz in power---and more so how desperately U S is trying to keep him in power---.

Pakistani military generals NEVER had the tactical military brains to foresee the coming issues---they were too engrossed in their own swagger---.

They were wrong during the first gulf war in their analysis---they were wrong about the second gulf war---they were wrong in handling the immediate crisis after 9/11---.

As for General Kiyani---it was treasonous on his part not to involve the army in civilian issues---where the army has been involved for the last 60 years---. If the military had created that problem from the begining---then it was their job to see it thru the end to fix it right---.

Maybe one day---another Pakistani commander in chief will come---and he will say---" Yeah---we failed in many wars---so now we are not going to involve ourselves in any more wars---let the enemy do what it wants to ".

Basically---this is what some of you ' intellects ' are suggesting---.

General Kiyani should be hanged a second time for having imposed Zardari on Pakistan---.
 
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I agree on many aspects but beg to differ on the Yemen part. It was the first time Pakistan actually took a stand. That war was never ours to begin with so why should we sacrifice for it just to get few dollars in return? This popular notion that PA is available for rent needed to be dispensed and I for one am glad that it was done.
Gen Raheel should had forced re elections after rigging was proved but he chose not too. I think the reason was to not let Sharifs become martyrs like they always do. What the army can do however is to make sure the next elections are not conducted the way the previous ones were and biomatric system should be incorporated and Pakistanis living abroad should be allowed to cast vote. Both these things will prove a major game changer in the 2018 elections and if army can get it implemented than hats off to them. My 2 cents.

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Yemen was the moment that told the men apart from the boyz.

Clueless pakistanis have no idea how much the west FEARED if pak military had taken charge of the situation---. They were having a diarhhea in washington and London about the changing scenario and the shift in power balance.

A totally newly formed air battle group---a naval strike group and and a ground strike force headed by pakistan's military---a strike force containing upwards of 150000 troops of pakistan origin with multiple armor divisions with rapid strike capability---.

Who would then need U S military or the british military in the gulf---. With bases in Oman and Yemen--you would dictate over the indian influence and negate any air strike capability of indian air force.

I am shocked that you kids have no vision and no concept that the farther that your outer military posts are from your base---more secure the center is---.

But how would you know---when your air force just want to defend over pakistani skies---and the defense minister says that if the enemy attacks and crosses the boundary line---we will use tactical nucs on our soil.

When this is what you kids hear from your fathers and uncles and grand fathers---it is next to impossible for me to make a break through---through the walls that you have erected around the thinking centers of your brains.

Unless you guys don't tear those walls down---even the word of prophets won't mean anything to you.

Brain is like a parachute----------------------------------------------------------------.

Chauvinist watch ur language against islam



Hi,

So what are you gonna do---. Why don't you go tackle some rapists and corrupt people before you worry about chauvinist.
 
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Every Thing Starts From PML N by snubbing two generals who were anti terrorism to core Gen Haroon Aslam was front foot fighter him self but due to Coup 1999 involvement just following chain of command he wasn't chosen , the other was War machine Gen Tariq Khan many people Fav to take over , he was snubbed to and when the dharna's started he was among the core commanders suggesting Gen Raheel to take action and throw the govt , but Army waited for the Hard core guy to be retired , Now N league has names of those Generals who were suggesting to take action against govt , One such name is The blue print behind Zarb e Azab General ashfaq nadeem another hard core straight forward guy , who N league kinda dislike cause of his straight forwardness and he will likely to be snub again , N league and PPP policy is to snub the true fighters and choose more of a Yes man , Gen Kayani was a good intelligence guy but he was Yes man to the core you order him not to do operation and he wont you order him to do operation and he will .
The next COAS is big challange for N league and another dark horse could be as risky as Gen Raheel but could be as lucky as well for N league as Gen Raheel having popularity(danger) and not interfering in govt matters (lucky) .

As far america concern , USA will never be satisfied from us its brutally honest there new Crusade war of crushing muslim countries starting off with the ones having military and they are kinda involved in Proxy cold war against us .
China a country can be a use full ally it has good relation with Russia and where China interest is for next 20 years in CPEC projects he wont let Pakistan get bully at international stage but we will indirectly become kind of used by invisible String of China a puppet state . Russia is looking for new ally always those countries who have beef with USA as its ally , as russia knows USA is looking for another cold war against them for the Syria matter of there gone bad .

Pakistan only good chance in the region is to build strong relationship with Iran and maintain with China , and go beyond neighbor and look towards Far east like Malay , Indo , Philippians as trade partners , gone are the days of SAARC cause Bangla and Afghanistan will always have beef with us , afghans are loco and run after money and bangla being bangla are putting axe on there own feet as Indians generally hate them , but India govt uses them
 
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Gen.Raheel Sharif is the one who protect his nation after the ALLAH (SWT) :pakistan:
 
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The prevailing narrative – and it’s worth finding out from where it has sprung up and how it has spread like a virus – is ‘isolation’. We are alone in the region and relations with the United States, godfather to our various elites, are frayed.

What’s responsible for this dread isolation? Our jihad predilection of course – the soft corner for all the musketeers of jihad, Hafiz Saeed, Maulana Masood Azhar, the Haqqanis et al – and who’s responsible for this fatal course? Why, the army of course, and since it is Gen Raheel Sharif leading the army the subtle message is that it all comes down to him. It really is his fault.

Most ordinary Pakistanis may look upon the general as a hero for leading from the front and being a decisive commander…rolling back the tide of radical Islamism in Fata and restoring a semblance of peace to Karachi. But circles close to the ruling party, the PML-N, are painting him – ever so subtly – as the father of isolationism.

India, with some help from the US, started the raag of cross-border terrorism after the attack on the Uri military base in Occupied Kashmir. This raag was for international consumption. But its most telling effect was on Pakistan where suddenly from different corners there arose dire cries of Pakistan’s ‘isolation’.

The truth of this isolation few people have bothered to dissect. Isolated from whom? India? It’s a laughable proposition. Afghanistan? When were we on the best of terms with that perennial battlefield of a country whose problems if America couldn’t solve Pakistan certainly can’t? We can send all our tanks and F-16s to Afghanistan but it lies not in our power to bring peace to that country. They call it ‘the graveyard of empires’. Since when did Pakistan become the custodian of such graveyards?

The US is unhappy with us not because of India or anything like the Uri attack but because of the defeat of its ambitions in Afghanistan. Is Pakistan responsible for this American failure? If it were we should be flattered but it’s not true. The Haqqanis were of course based in North Waziristan but after Zarb-e-Azb they no longer are, not that many people will believe this. More to the point, the problems of Afghanistan cannot be reduced to just the Haqqani faction. Those problems are bigger than the Haqqanis.

India is understandably angry about the Uri attack. We would be angry too if 18 of our soldiers were killed in a similar happening. But it’s also true that India’s real problem is not an isolated attack but the restive, explosive situation in Occupied Kashmir as a whole. The Kashmiris are sick and tired of Indian rule. How can Pakistan solve this problem for India? Hafiz Saeed and Maulana Masood Azhar can be transported to the Andaman Islands but angry mobs in Kashmir will still come out to protest Indian atrocities. Can Pakistan, even if it wanted to, fix this problem?

So let’s not magnify the isolationist bogey. We could improve relations with Iran, that’s for sure. But there are no peace conquests to be made with India and Afghanistan. And there’s nothing Pakistan can do at this juncture to placate our American friends. They need a scapegoat to blame for their Afghan failure and no one fits this bill better than Pakistan. So let’s not worry our heads too much about American irritation or anger. Pakistan is not a popular flavour in Washington at this time. We should be able to live with this.

So who’s peddling the line that things are going wrong on the foreign policy front and Pakistan faces isolation? Elements in the government. And because the army command is being held responsible for these failures, this tack, suddenly so pronounced, amounts to an indirect assault on the army…a chance to get back at the army command for all the acute discomfort caused to the government over the last three years by Gen Raheel Sharif’s public standing…his popular hero status. But there is also a more pragmatic angle to this line of attack.

As Gen Raheel’s retirement draws nearer, and the question of appointing his successor comes to the fore, raising an alarm over Pakistan’s purported drift towards isolationism at the army’s hands is a way for the government to claw back space and freedom to appoint its own man as the next army chief.

One Raheel Sharif has been enough for the Sharifs. They can do without another, especially when they face a serious challenge from Imran Khan, and the outlook for the next elections in 2018 has begun to weigh on their minds.

The Sharifs have won most of their other battles. The PPP, their onetime serious rival, is no longer a threat. The Supreme Court they successfully assaulted and tamed way back in 1998. Two problematic presidents they were able to see the last of, Ghulam Ishaq Khan and Farooq Leghari. The art of controlling the bureaucracy no one knows better than them. But they haven’t found a solution to two problems: 1) Imran Khan and 2) the army.

Imran, always a thorn in their side, is their biggest political threat now. The march on Islamabad set for the 30th of this month could turn into anything…we don’t know. But it would have been noticed that the government’s friends in the media sound worried, especially after Imran’s grand show of strength outside Raiwind on Sep 30. Even the ruling party’s regular fixtures, its brass band of cheerleaders, so ready to turn their guns on Imran have gone relatively quiet…all because of the Raiwind jalsa. If he could pull that one off what might he not be able to do in Islamabad? There is thus a tremor, a fear of the unknown, in the air.

And the Sharifs have not managed to appoint a loyalist with whom they could feel comfortable as army chief. This is one disappointment which rankles. So this is their last chance to fix the problem and they don’t want to get it wrong. A whispering campaign against Gen Raheel has already started and there has been news of a top-level meeting where purportedly the ISI’s jihadi policies, and their contribution to Pakistan’s purported isolation, came under harsh scrutiny.

The details of this meeting almost suggest that the army was in the dock and assuming the role of chief invigilator and inquisitor was the intrepid chief minister of Punjab.

The foreign policy debate is thus a cover and a smokescreen. Behind it is being played the game that matters for the ruling clan the most: ensuring their own man, and not Gen Raheel’s choice, in General Headquarters.

This whole question has broader implications. Once it is settled to the Sharifs’ satisfaction they would be in a better position to meet and fend off the challenge from Imran Khan. Their flanks would be covered, their confidence would revive and the Panama revelations of the ruling family’s offshore wealth would be consigned to that deep underground chamber where Pakistan’s unresolved mysteries lie buried.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/156389-Blame-it-on-Raheel

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Blame it on Raheel...!!!!!..........Right..?

Because PA supports terrorists, therefore, Pakistan is in isolation - this is the latest mantra of these thugs (PMLn).

Just look at following:

India supports terrorism inside Pakistan via proxies

America supports terrorism in Afghanistan and Middle East via terrorist proxies

Russia fighting in Ukraine via proxies

KSA, Qatar, Kuwait fight via terrorist proxies

Israel fights with terrorist proxies

WHO DOES NOT HAVE THEIR PROXIES....and we are the ones to be blamed....and be isolated.

Hi,

The general was informed around 1 1/2 years ago what was coming---. He missed his first opportunity when the egyptian general overthrew the govt---. Gen Raheel could have ridden that wave---the U S was cornered---.

But Gen Sahib wanted to be a NICE guy---or you can say---a man without a tactical strategical and futuristic insight. He was never a commander in chief material.

He did not need to come into power---but should have forced re-election.

Then he stayed away from the Yemen crisis---. That would have been a game changer for Pakistan financially and militarily---but he cowered as most pakistani generals do---a nice and a wonderful guy---but committed many a tactical blunders one after the other---.

WRONG conclusions and assertions all along.

Raheel Shareef did the right thing by not throwing the Govt. He got more out of them by keeping them in power. Look at all the Apex Committees etc.

He really is the Commander in Chief material, more than anyone we have ever known - clear head, strong, decisive and brave. Nothing else is needed.

Re-election would have turned the country into a meltdown - it was avoided, good thing.

Going into Yemen crises would have opened the gates of hell for Pakistan. We would have been surrounded by enemies.
 
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It's easier said than done but he did better job but there was room for more good work but giving the corrupt system he did best what he can salute him

I must say it is easier said than done he knows his pressures we don't we can criticize him well

But if he threw govt Pak would been forced to sanction than modi thump his drums that we isolated Pak so he did not played in modi hands but he kept tight hand on nawaz neck too

Yes he could have done more better but as I said given the trauma of 14 years of terror attacks he did great job to serve nation

Pak army should continue its work it should not be man but institution policy hope army do this work which gen raheel started it no room to stop it
 
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WRONG conclusions and assertions all along.

Raheel Shareef did the right thing by not throwing the Govt. He got more out of them by keeping them in power. Look at all the Apex Committees etc.

He really is the Commander in Chief material, more than anyone we have ever known - clear head, strong, decisive and brave. Nothing else is needed.

Re-election would have turned the country into a meltdown - it was avoided, good thing.

Going into Yemen crises would have opened the gates of hell for Pakistan. We would have been surrounded by enemies.

Hi,

Really---wrong conclusions---??? Then why do you find yourself at the sh-it hole one more time---.

Going to yemen would have given you so much power---that you enemies would yellow running between their legs---.

You mean to say that crisis in Dehli---washington and London was fake at what if pak military joined the Yemen crisis---.

You mean to say that a tripple and quadruple strike capability of military and air force would mean nothing and about 5 times naval force would be just for show---.

You mean to say that air bases in Yemen and Oman would do nothing---that an open indian flank of southern india would be meaningless---that you could target maharashtra coastline at will---a high octane naval build up of heavy frigates would not account to much----a possible of 5-8 division of armor won't mean much---or a quick deployed strike force would be meaningless---or 3-4 air superiority sqdrn's and 5-7 heavy deep strike aircraft would account to nothing----or with your influence controlling the jobs of indians in the gulf states would be just a waste---that creating a couple of 5 million jobs in pakistan would be worthless---.
 
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