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Blame it on Raheel..!!

You mean to say that air bases in Yemen and Oman would do nothing---that an open indian flank of southern india would be meaningless---that you could target maharashtra coastline at will.

You were not serious! were you? 2600 KM one way journey (around 3 Hours flight time), you were not planning to return, were you?
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I hope you wont claim next that India got no Air bases in that area. I hope you did a bit of research over there.


a high octane naval build up of heavy frigates would not account to much----a possible of 5-8 division of armor won't mean much---or a quick deployed strike force would be meaningless---or 3-4 air superiority sqdrn's and 5-7 heavy deep strike aircraft would account to nothing----or with your influence controlling the jobs of indians in the gulf states would be just a waste---that creating a couple of 5 million jobs in pakistan would be worthless---.

Saudi's promised all that? :) Man you are getting too much carried away. They asked for hired gun, you just made it look like they asked you to rule over them. Ambitions, dreams are good, but when they get mixed up with reality, or people start believing that the dream was a reality thats when some problems arise.

I use to have lot of respect for you, but after reading your recent posts, the thread where you claimed Nawaz Actually sold Pakistan to India and tried to proved it. Not just in philosophically but desperately tried to proved it literally and now this!

You are senior member here, I am just a newbie, even in age I am very younger. I learn a lot from many people here, get different perspectives but this seems more like wishful thinking completely isolated from reality. Neither you have accounted the problems arises with Iran as your next door neighbour (mostly sect based) nor did you objectively read Saudi's offer. Please let me know if there is any link where Saudi's offer even 10% of what you claimed, I will be more than happy to read about it.
 
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A totally newly formed air battle group---a naval strike group and and a ground strike force headed by pakistan's military---a strike force containing upwards of 150000 troops of pakistan origin with multiple armor divisions with rapid strike capability---.

If all the above would also be available to Pakistan to liberate Kashmir than i am all for it but than we all know the reality. Saudis needed cannon fodders and who better to fill the bill than the Poor Pakistanis. When it comes to India the double standards of this so called Ummah is outstanding and astonishing. Saudi Arabia and UAE has India as strategic partner. So yeah spare me if i dont share the same enthusiasm as you do. Americans are going nowhere from the middle east with or without Pakistan.
 
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If all the above would also be available to Pakistan to liberate Kashmir than i am all for it but than we all know the reality. Saudis needed cannon fodders and who better to fill the bill than the Poor Pakistanis. When it comes to India the double standards of this so called Ummah is outstanding and astonishing. Saudi Arabia and UAE has India as strategic partner. So yeah spare me if i dont share the same enthusiasm as you do. Americans are going nowhere from the middle east with or without Pakistan.


Hi,

When you are in charge of such a massive force---it is your discretion how to use it under what circumstances---. Why do you think I stated that there were serious heart burns in dehli, washington and London---.
 
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Hi,

When you are in charge of such a massive force---it is your discretion how to use it under what circumstances---. Why do you think I stated that there were serious heart burns in dehli, washington and London---.
Heart burns? Where nowhere have i seen even an iota of proof that such concerns were raised or even debated on. And what do you mean by In charge? Do you think the rich spoiled brats that the arabs are would have allowed a poor country with inferior people like that of Pakistan to become in charge? Please!
All they needed were canons fodders because Pakistani blood is cheap. Saudi Arabia was the one leading the campaign and they be damned if they would have allowed Pakistan to take control.
Perhaps we can agree to disagree on this one.
 
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Heart burns? Where nowhere have i seen even an iota of proof that such concerns were raised or even debated on. And what do you mean by In charge? Do you think the rich spoiled brats that the arabs are would have allowed a poor country with inferior people like that of Pakistan to become in charge? Please!
All they needed were canons fodders because Pakistani blood is cheap. Saudi Arabia was the one leading the campaign and they be damned if they would have allowed Pakistan to take control.
Perhaps we can agree to disagree on this one.

Hi,

If you don't know how make a deal with some one begging for help at your door steps and coming back multiple times after rejections---then its shame on you for not being able to make the right deal---.

The only thing you guys can do is sit on your behinds---and make one excuse after the other---.

As a nation---you guys are so pathetic---that the U S put itself on a platter after 9/11---and you threw the dish in the trash---and all I hear is whimpering and moaniong---.

The gulf states and saudia again put themselves on a platter---but this time it was out of cowardice that the nation failed---.

Isis is now done and gone---the noose is going to tighten against pakistan one more time---.
 
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Hi,

Really---wrong conclusions---??? Then why do you find yourself at the sh-it hole one more time---.

Going to yemen would have given you so much power---that you enemies would yellow running between their legs---.

You mean to say that crisis in Dehli---washington and London was fake at what if pak military joined the Yemen crisis---.

You mean to say that a tripple and quadruple strike capability of military and air force would mean nothing and about 5 times naval force would be just for show---.

You mean to say that air bases in Yemen and Oman would do nothing---that an open indian flank of southern india would be meaningless---that you could target maharashtra coastline at will---a high octane naval build up of heavy frigates would not account to much----a possible of 5-8 division of armor won't mean much---or a quick deployed strike force would be meaningless---or 3-4 air superiority sqdrn's and 5-7 heavy deep strike aircraft would account to nothing----or with your influence controlling the jobs of indians in the gulf states would be just a waste---that creating a couple of 5 million jobs in pakistan would be worthless---.

I think Sir you need to calm down a little.

Repeating....You mean....You mean....You mean.....does not make you argument stronger.

It was army's decision not to go to Yemen. If your claim is that you have more intelligence and diplomatic information than army; then you need a psychiatrist.

Not going to Yemen was a good decision even for an outsider like me.....It has stopped us from falling out openly with our neighbour - Iran.

This phony "War on Terror" is run by intelligence agencies all over the world. If we had gone to Yemen then it would have allowed the enemy intelligence agencies to do blasts inside Pakistan - making it look like that Iran has done it. This is the game they are playing every where.

I would not reply to the rest because it is pure garbage - just read my initial post again.
 
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off topic but some people here will kill their mothers if they have to for sake of dollars or riyals.
 
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off topic but some people here will kill their mothers if they have to for sake of dollars or riyals.

Hi,

That is a generally understood statement made by a U S congressman about the pakistanis---.
 
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I just feel that Raheel Sharif is one guy whose been trying hard to put things right. But I guess the going is tough. Soon things will turn for good. As they say when the going gets tough the tough get going. Reminds me of this video message for Raheel Sharif. If only it could reach him :
 
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A Few Questions !
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A few questions have been giving sleepless nights to countless Muslims across the globe in recent times.

Firstly, while they strongly believe that Islam is a message of peace, progress and harmony, the Muslims of the world desperately want to know that why they are currently steeped in the worst kinds of ignorance, intrigue and ignominy?

Secondly, they also want to know that while Islam emphasizes on the maximization of the best in human nature, why today some of them are capitalizing on the worst in human nature to the detriment of mankind?

Thirdly, they are now seeking to find out the answer to this vital question that why despite abundant human and natural resources, oil for instance, the majority of today’s 1.5 billion Muslims living in 55 Muslim countries of the world are pitted in abject poverty and forced to live in extremely trying social, economic and political conditions?

Pakistan is no exception to the rule. As a matter of fact, the worst conditions that can prevail in any present day Muslim land are all at their full foul play in the Land of the Pure. Another sordid truth is that while Pakistan’s present reputation as the hot-bed of terrorism precedes all its earlier claims to fame, the thinking Pakistanis have always been haunted by Pakistan’s reputation as being a country surviving essentially on foreign pittances since birth. The fact remains that if terrorism has recently become synonymous with Pakistan the flip side of the Pakistani coin has always featured the “green begging bowl”. We have been known as a nation of charity seekers through out our 62 years history. Today, the Pakistanis have the right to know that while the Holy Prophet (PBUH) enjoined upon all Muslims to seek knowledge as an obligation even if that meant going to China, why instead of knowledge we only look up to China for financial support? And not just to China, why have we been trotting the globe from Saudi Arabia to Libya and from Europe to the United States of America busy begging for riyals, yens, pounds and dollars? Here by “we” the obvious allusion is to the respective Pakistani governments since 1947 which have always taken pride in their success of wining charity and alms in the form of aid and loans from richer countries. In fact, foreign borrowings are the barometer of a government’s success even today. The false rule of higher the borrowing, stronger the government is what the Pakistanis have been made to appreciate all along. The people of Pakistan are now questioning the true merit of this fallacy more than ever before. Destined for greatness, they want to know that why have they been reduced to a nation of borrowers?

The quality of religious education currently being imparted in the Muslim world is also a matter of grave concern for the present day thinking Muslims. There are many of them incessantly searching an answer to questions like why religious education in Muslim societies instead of nurturing has blocked intellectual and material growth? They are desirous to find out that why today’s religious education is not helping them in the attainment of material success. Muslims are keen to know that why instead of making them self reliant and bringing them at par with the knowledge and technological standards of the developed societies today’s religious teaching is making them further dependant on the west for almost every thing? From modern textile machines to F.16s there is nothing any of the Muslim countries can proudly claim to have become self-sufficient in. Today, every thinking Muslim wants to know that why has the true Islamic knowledge base been over-shadowed by the debate between belief and disbelief and why are we so behind the West?

Another strange contradiction scarring Islamic values today is the presence of a mindset that on one hand persuades the followers to lay down their lives in the name of Islam and on the other hand itself falls miserably short of the great Islamic moral and social codes and ethics. I see examples of this dichotomy spread all around us. While driving in Lahore city, I often come across posters, banners and bill-boards of religious groups declaring their unflinching love and loyalty to the Holy Prophet (PBUH). As a Muslim I also share the same feelings but then I ask myself that are we following in deed what we are claiming in word? I ask myself that if we were truly following the teachings of our Holy Prophet (PBUH) then would the vices of food adulteration and an unbridled squandering of time and resources be as rampant in our society as they are today. I ask myself that why are our cities and towns infested with filth and rubbish while our Holy Prophet (PBUH) has taught us that “cleanliness is half faith”. I ask you that had we been the true followers of the Prophet of Islam (PBUH) as we claim to be then would we be as divided and resource less as we are today and could our lives be as undisciplined as they are today?

Who are those who have restricted the pursuit of knowledge and free inquiry in Muslim societies? Who are those who have eclipsed the light of true Islam from reaching and enlightening our lives? Are we to continue groping in this enforced darkness thrusted upon us? Why the Holy Quran, God’s final message to mankind and the world’s most recited book, is only presented to us as a book of atonement and not of enlightenment? Why are the so-called custodians of God’s final message not allowing us to rationalize our lives and find our answers in the light of true Quranic teachings? Such and similar other questions are looming large in the minds of thinking Muslims of the 21st century.

The startling truth is that Muslim thinking was rendered a strong blow a few centuries back when reason was made subservient to blind faith. It is also true that since then Muslim thinking has not been able to retrace its way back to its glorious past and the retrogressive forces have not let free enquiry play its role in the re-ascendancy of reason in the Muslim world.

The first word with which God began His communication with the Holy Prophet (PBUH) was “Iqra”…Read, yet is it not true that for centuries the Muslim world has been deliberately kept away from following this divine injunction? Can we deny the fact that amongst the top 500 universities of the world there is not a single university belonging to the Muslim world considered worthy of a place in the coveted list? Can we question the veracity of the charge that let alone American and European universities there is not a single university in the Muslim world which can parallel even some of the more known Indian universities of today. Similarly, as opposed to an innumerable number of American, European and even Indian Nobel laureates what is the number of Muslim recipients of the world’s most prestigious award conferred on men and women of outstanding knowledge?

An undeniable truth of our times is that the world we today live in has been crafted by Western thought and we are only recycling the knowledge transferred to us by the West. Here, allow me to categorically state that I am not among those who believe in the supremacy of modern science and technology over human spirit. On the contrary, I am of the firm belief that there is no conflict between the two and that the minds which refute religion for science and otherwise are both “Baatil”…. False and Untrue.

To sum it up, I believe the time has come for the Muslim world to make a fresh journey with in and find answers to some basic questions, a few of which I have dared to put forth.
 
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Hi,

This is just a recent statement from Erdogan.

My apologies to my Turk colleagues here---Erdogan is acting as stupid as Imran Khan and Gen Raheel Sharif---.

GCC had presented itself on a platter to Pakistan military in around 2014-15 to send as many troops as possible to stabilize the region---.

Gen Raheel fckd up bad---it was expected of him----he rode on the wave of his brother's bravery for a very long time and had no brains of his own to think of the future---.

Pakistans fckd up real bad as well and most did not have the brains to comprehend what was coming---.

Erdogan came as an intelligent man of the muslim world---but sadly he did not use his forceful personality to guide the less competitive muslim nations in a timely manner---. He created useless confrontation with the GCC---he aligns with Iran---he loses the F35 deal---and now he is talking about muslims to unite because Bait Ul Maqdas is gone---and Mecca and Medina maybe on its way out---.

You pakistanis wish there was this "mercenary army" available---.
 
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boring commentary. mere speculations. His role after APS was toughest.

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Hi,

This is just a recent statement from Erdogan.

My apologies to my Turk colleagues here---Erdogan is acting as stupid as Imran Khan and Gen Raheel Sharif---.

GCC had presented itself on a platter to Pakistan military in around 2014-15 to send as many troops as possible to stabilize the region---.

Gen Raheel fckd up bad---it was expected of him----he rode on the wave of his brother's bravery for a very long time and had no brains of his own to think of the future---.

Pakistans fckd up real bad as well and most did not have the brains to comprehend what was coming---.

Erdogan came as an intelligent man of the muslim world---but sadly he did not use his forceful personality to guide the less competitive muslim nations in a timely manner---. He created useless confrontation with the GCC---he aligns with Iran---he loses the F35 deal---and now he is talking about muslims to unite because Bait Ul Maqdas is gone---and Mecca and Medina maybe on its way out---.

You pakistanis wish there was this "mercenary army" available---.
sir ji kon sa magzine ha .... zanjeer... never heard of it.
 
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Why don't we learn that when generals leave after governing they leave more problems then when they seized power.
 
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