Blacks Climing Indus Valley Civilization

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Can Pakistani's claim Arab, Persian and Afghan history (outside of Arab and Persian invasions and migration into the lands that constitute Pakistan) merely because we follow a faith established in Arabia? No.

Following religious beliefs that might be similar or may have evolved from another land and peoples is not the same thing as being descendants of those ancient people.


The Quran talks about lands in Arabia - that doesn't mean non-Arab Muslims can now claim Arab history from those lands.

There was a time when Persia ruled over Indian territories of Gandhara and those close to Indus . Its documented by Persians and Greeks .

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The world doesn't revolve around South Asia, history based forums like Historum are rife with discussions on this topic. Expand your mind and intellect.
I am Pakistani not Indian. We are Dalit converts, only lower castes converted to Islam. Please do some research.

You are making these outlandish claims (and I'm assuming you've done your research about Indians having Arab blood) so please, post these credible expert studies supporting your arguments.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Can Pakistani's claim Arab, Persian and Afghan history (outside of Arab and Persian invasions and migration into the lands that constitute Pakistan) merely because we follow a faith established in Arabia? No.

Following religious beliefs that might be similar or may have evolved from another land and peoples is not the same thing as being descendants of those ancient people.


The Quran talks about lands in Arabia - that doesn't mean non-Arab Muslims can now claim Arab history from those lands.

Yup ! Quran is about Arab world . Hindu , Jain and Buddhist books talk about South Asia .

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

There was a time when Persia ruled over Indian territories of Gandhara and those close to Indus . Its documented by Persians and Greeks .

I agree, and that would be the kind of Persian, Greek or Afghan influence Pakistanis would talk about - we can't claim all Greek mythology and history or all Arab mythology and history merely because, in the former, our ancestors were invaded by Alexander's armies and, in the latter, that modern day Pakistanis follow a faith created by Arabs in Arabia.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Can Pakistani's claim Arab, Persian and Afghan history (outside of Arab and Persian invasions and migration into the lands that constitute Pakistan) merely because we follow a faith established in Arabia? No.

Following religious beliefs that might be similar or may have evolved from another land and peoples is not the same thing as being descendants of those ancient people.

1. The only claim Pakistan has is on the Western part of the ISVC.
2. Bharatvarsh will remain the main inheritor of the ISVC.

Why?

Because we follow a similar way of life.
Because most of the sites are here. Because we value it. All of us. How many new sites have you tried to find out since 47?

Just because the people of the land converted and separated does not mean they take away the culture and the history along with them.

Barcelona may get independence from Spain. Does not mean that Spain will lose claim to El Cid. The suggestion is beyond stupid to be honest.

So if you wish to claim IVSC entirely, PLEASE continue to do so. It will remain under 'Indian History' for eternity.

@Paksanity - Ganga valley civilization never existed. Because Ganga is not a valley. It is a plains.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Yup ! Quran is about Arab world . Hindu , Jain and Buddhist books talk about South Asia .

No - we can't (and your position on this issue would explain why rabidly Hindutva Indians take such a ridiculous position on the IVC).

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

No - we can't (and your position on this issue would explain why rabidly Hindutva Indians take such a ridiculous position on the IVC).

Kashmiris , Punjabis , Gujaratis and Some Rajasthanis have every right on IVC .
Tamils might have a separate civilization .
IVC was a heterogeneous Society .

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

The homeland of Aryans is in Eurasia.

Ah. Ancient Aryavarta

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

1. The only claim Pakistan has is on the Western part of the ISVC.

The IVC extended into Afghanistan, with new discoveries being made in NWFP of late. That would make modern India the Eastern fringe of the IVC, with Afghanistan being the Western fringe, and the Indus Valley (modern day Pakistan) the center of the civlization and the main inheritor.

Following a particular religious belief means nothing - religious beliefs are a matter of choice, ancestry is not. Practicing Islam is a choice, it does not make us Arabs. Practicing modern day Hinduism (at best a bastardized/evolved form of whatever was practiced in the IVC thousands of years ago) does not make all Indian Hindus descendants of the IVC, it merely means you made a choice to follow a particular faith.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

The homeland of Aryans is in Ukraine.

No archeological evidence . Only linguistics believe that .
Plus genetics show , Migration has happened before 12,500 years from present .

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Kashmiris , Punjabis , Gujaratis and Some Rajasthanis have every right on IVC .
Tamils might have a separate civilization .
IVC was a heterogeneous Society .

I might have misunderstood your earlier post - were you agreeing or disagreeing with my argument that a persons choice to follow Islam does not make them Arab or allow them to claim Arab history?

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

You are making these outlandish claims (and I'm assuming you've done your research about Indians having Arab blood) so please, post these credible expert studies supporting your arguments.

No - we can't (and your position on this issue would explain why rabidly Hindutva Indians take such a ridiculous position on the IVC).

Either you are confused or you are confusing everybody here-

1- Do you consider present day Pakistan as India before 1947 ?

Or

2- Are you claiming Pakistan to be Pakistan before India and since the beginning of human history in India ?

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

The IVC extended into Afghanistan, with new discoveries being made in NWFP of late. That would make modern India the Eastern fringe of the IVC, with Afghanistan being the Western fringe, and the Indus Valley (modern day Pakistan) the center of the civlization and the main inheritor.

Following a particular religious belief means nothing - religious beliefs are a matter of choice, ancestry is not. Practicing Islam is a choice, it does not make us Arabs. Practicing modern day Hinduism (at best a bastardized/evolved form of whatever was practiced in the IVC thousands of years ago) does not make all Indian Hindus descendants of the IVC, it merely means you made a choice to follow a particular faith.

Modern Indians didn't came from Mars . They are they hard work of our ancestors from 5000 years ago

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Kashmiris , Punjabis , Gujaratis and Some Rajasthanis have every right on IVC .
Tamils might have a separate civilization .
IVC was a heterogeneous Society .

Abd combined they make what 7% of Indian population? Or is it 10%,

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

I might have misunderstood your earlier post - were you agreeing or disagreeing with my argument that a persons choice to follow Islam does not make them Arab or allow them to claim Arab history?

Yup ! , Following Islam doesn't mean U have arab ancestory .
If U really believe U are a real Sindhi or Punjabi and not some one from the line of central Asian Invaders , then U have first right to IVC .