Blacks Climing Indus Valley Civilization

[Kashmiri Pandit]

I'm not saying they did - just as the argument that all of the IVC just packed up and left, making sure they crossed the yet to be defined borers of contemporary Pakistan and India, into India, is absurd, so is the argument that human and cultural migration did not continue.

Without an accurate genetic analysis of people of the IVC, compared to the genetic makeup of modern day Pakistanis and Indians, we can't validate either claim, but what we do know is that the IVC was centered on what is today Pakistan.

As per the recorded history only two things existed around the Indus region .
Indo Iranians ( West of Indus ) and Indo Aryans ( East of Indus ) .
They both descended from Proto Indo Europeans , The real owners of IVC .
When Islam and Central and Middle east Asians entered South Asia , only then the first real changes began to appear around Indus .

 

[SarthakGanguly]

If India and Pakistan implode into multiple independent States, then the States with boundaries that encompass critical parts of the IVC will have claims on that history based on the extent of the presence of critical parts of the IVC within their political boundaries.

The Pakistani argument here is consistent, and doesn't become invalid in the case of a balkanization of India and Pakistan.

And rest of the states will lose their claims?

If you answer yes, please stop responding to my posts.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

@SarthakGanguly
Do you know about the predecessor of ivc?
Mherghar: A 10,000 years old civilization in Pakistan - By Sohail Taj

Yup ! Mherghar gave birth to societies around West of Indus .
Bhirrana gave birth to societies in the east of Indus .
Bhirrana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

During Bronze age both societies combined and gave birth to IVC .

 

[SarthakGanguly]

As per the recorded history only two things existed around the Indus region .
Indo Iranians ( West of Indus ) and Indo Aryans ( East of Indus ) .
They both descended from Proto Indo Europeans , The real owners of IVC .
When Islam and Central and Middle east Asians entered South Asia , only then the first real changes began to appear around Indus .

Sorry. No Aryans. No Dravidians.
Reconstructing Indian population history : Abstract : Nature
PLOS Genetics: Inference of Population Splits and Mixtures from Genome-Wide Allele Frequency Data
Ancient Admixture in Human History

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

No - my use of the terms 'India' and 'Indian' are only made in reference to the country established in 1947. The individual I was responding to is an Indian troll (irrespective of the flags he's displaying) and therefore when he states 'ours' I can only assume he is making claims about 'descendants of dalits and Arab blood' on behalf of modern day Indians.

Thanks for clarifying-

 

[SarthakGanguly]

@SarthakGanguly
Do you know about the predecessor of ivc?
Mherghar: A 10,000 years old civilization in Pakistan - By Sohail Taj

It is called the early Harrapa period. Not pre ISVC.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Sorry. No Aryans. No Dravidians.
Reconstructing Indian population history : Abstract : Nature
PLOS Genetics: Inference of Population Splits and Mixtures from Genome-Wide Allele Frequency Data
Ancient Admixture in Human History

I am saying that as per Linguistics

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

When Islam and Central and Middle east Asians entered South Asia , only then the first real changes began to appear around Indus .

It was mostly Muslim armies, elite and missionaries that came to the South Asia. It was not like Aryan migration that changed the ethnic make up of the Indus Valley.

I am saying that as per Linguistics

You cannot just prove by linguistic evidence. The North Africa is mostly ethnically Berber but linguistically Arab.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

It was mostly Muslim armies, elite and missionaries that came to the South Asia. It was not like Aryan migration that changed the ethnic make up of the Indus Valley.

Yup ! But I didn't meant that .
Religion of people changed and first real differences appeared .

In all this we forget the period from 600 BCE to 600 CE , during which IVC people were ruled mostly by central Asians , Greeks , Scythans while Mainland India or Modern India was still under the rule of native kings .

Buddhists , Jains and Hindus have differences but Just like Judaism , Christianity and Islam , there are many similarities .

It was mostly Muslim armies, elite and missionaries that came to the South Asia. It was not like Aryan migration that changed the ethnic make up of the Indus Valley.



You cannot just prove by linguistic evidence. The North Africa is mostly ethnically Berber but linguistically Arab.

Linguistics , genetics and Archeology must go hand in hand .

Archeology rejects Aryan inavsion .
Genetics support Aryan migration but 12,500 years ago .
Linguistics support Aryan invasion/Migration around 1900 to 1500 BCE .

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

If India and Pakistan implode into multiple independent States, then the States with boundaries that encompass critical parts of the IVC will have claims on that history based on the extent of the presence of critical parts of the IVC within their political boundaries.

The Pakistani argument here is consistent, and doesn't become invalid in the case of a balkanization of India and Pakistan.

If we go by your argument- IVC will be claimed by Haryanvis, Rajasthanis, Gujratis, Punjabis and Sindhis separately- Which one is to be taken as legitimate-

List of Indus Valley Civilization sites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Zibago]

Yup ! Mherghar gave birth to societies around West of Indus .
Bhirrana gave birth to societies in the east of Indus .
Bhirrana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

During Bronze age both societies combined and gave birth to IVC .

What destroyed them remains a mystery it was either war,famine or disease

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

What destroyed them remains a mystery it was either war,famine or disease

Diseases and Climate change are on top of my list .
War may be a reason . Persians were powerful rulers during that time .

 

[B+ Dracula]

Not true. The biggest sites are closer to the sea (not surprisingly).

AND, I am least bothered about the present political boundaries of Pakistan.

Tomorrow when Pakistan implodes, what will happen to this claim? Will KP/Punjab/Sindh have the primary claims? I mean this delineation based on present political lines is hilarious.

Whether your paper Dinosaurs make sense or not....its none of my business.
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I urge every Indian to visit our land with Loaded pockets and go back empty
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Same i demand from Chinese Buddhist Junta to visit TAXILA...once in a lifetime

 

[Zibago]

Diseases and Climate change are on top of my list .
War may be a reason . Persians were powerful rulers during that time .

Or aryans from central asia

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Magnitude 5.9 earthquake rocks Pakistan, Afghanistan and north India