Blacks Climing Indus Valley Civilization

[ArsalanKhan21]

Brother Pakistan is an artificial nation, Baloch and Pashtuns should join Afghanistan while the Punjabis and Sindhis who are low caste converts should revert to Hinduism and be accept reservation for low castes in India.

Another Hindutva Bhakturd idiot displaying their deception with false flags !

 

[SarthakGanguly]

You can't magically change the ancestry of modern Greeks by claiming that since they no longer practice the polytheistic faith of their ancient ancestors that they no longer have any claim on that history.

Nobody disputes that. When someone claims SOLE ownership of it, it becomes laughable.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Hindu is a modern term, compared to the IVC - so what that means is that Hinduism was born as a result of the religious and cultural evolution and changes from the rise and fall of various ancient civilizations, empires, invasions and human migration from West to East over millenia.

IN addition, Hindu is a belief - beliefs change, peoples origin does not. Hindus are who they are because of what they choose to believe.

Pakistanis are the descendants of the civilizations of Mehargarh, Harrapa, IVC etc not because of what they believe, but who they are.

You can't magically change the ancestry of modern Greeks by claiming that since they no longer practice the polytheistic faith of their ancient ancestors that they no longer have any claim on that history.

No. Hindus (Sanatanis/Dharmics) can draw their lineage from all civilizations in this Holy Land. From Sindhu to Kanyakumari and beyond.

Yup

When some one ( Western Person ) converts to Hinduism , he is not called Hindu .
He is called either a Shavite , Shakta , Hare Krishna , Vaishnava etc but not Hindu .

Now rules have changed. A convert to any of the above is a Hindu.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Because civilisations have always been established by the upper strata of society. Only low castes in South Asia converted to Islam, mainly to escape persecution from higher castes. Our ancestors were mainly toilet cleaning chamars.

By 'ours' you're obviously referring to 'yours' (Indian), and you can choose to call them whatever you wish.

And again, what genetic and anthropological analysis are you basing your claims about the social and racial makeup of ancestors of Pakistan on? On what basis are you arguing that those responsible for the establishment of the IVC were not subsumed into whatever wave of human migration entered that area, rather than packing their bags up and taking the next train into South India or whatever arbitrary location you concocted?

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Nobody disputes that. When someone claims SOLE ownership of it, it becomes laughable.

Alexander the Great was born in Macedonia and was culturally Greek. The Greece has blocked Macedonia entering UN and EU with Macedonian flag with Alexander's shield. Both countries constantly fight over Alexander. Greece do claim SOLE ownership of Alexander and his accomplishments !

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Alexander the Great was born in Macedonia and was culturally Greek. The Greece has blocked Macedonia entering UN and EU with Macedonian flag with Alxander's shield. Both countries constantly fight over Alexander. Greece do claim SOLE ownership of Alexander and his accomplishments !

Old People satisfying their false ego

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

No. Hindus (Sanatanis/Dharmics) can draw their lineage from all civilizations in this Holy Land. From Sindhu to Kanyakumari and beyond.

Hinduism is a belief system, so your reference to 'lineage' is only applicable in the context of 'religio-cultural' beliefs, and since the non-Deobandi/Wahabbi practice of Islam in Pakistan is itself a result of the amalgamation of Islam into the existing religio-cultural beliefs of the lands constituting Pakistan, the same argument (in fact stronger, given the geographical location of Pakistan on the heartland of the IVC) applies to Pakistan.

The argument that any contemporary belief system 'draws from the social, cultural and religious practices of those that came before it' is a self-evident one.

 

[Paksanity]

Dear Indian members,

Why can't you be proud of your own civilization? The civilization of Ganges valley. Why abandon your roots in shame? Please consider that your holy river is Ganges not Indus. You take dips in Ganges. You float Ashes of your dead in Ganges not Indus. All ancient Hindu temples are all along Ganges and its littoral regions. There is no ancient temple to be found in Pakistan let alone along Indus. Katas Raj temple, the oldest in Pakistan is on a plateau far from Indus and it isn't built on IVC architecture. There are no IVC style Hindu temples in India (or Pakistan). You have your own history, civilization and everything that comes with it. Why try steal ours?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Hinduism is a belief system, so your reference to 'lineage' is only applicable in the context of 'religio-cultural' beliefs, and since the non-Deobandi/Wahabbi practice of Islam in Pakistan is itself a result of the amalgamation of Islam into the existing religio-cultural beliefs of the lands constituting Pakistan, the same argument (in fact stronger, given the geographical location of Pakistan on the heartland of the IVC) applies to Pakistan.

The argument that any contemporary belief system 'draws from the social, cultural and religious practices of those that came before it' is a self-evident one.

You are confusing my tone to be exclusive.

The world does not have a problem if you claim to belong to IVC.
The world has a problem if you claim SOLE ownership of IVC.

Dear Indian members,

Why can't you be proud of your own civilization? The civilization of Ganges valley. Why abandon your roots in shame? Please consider that your holy river is Ganges not Indus. You take dips in Ganges. You float Ashes of your dead in Ganges not Indus. All ancient Hindu temples are all along Ganges and its littoral regions. There is no ancient temple to be found in Pakistan let alone along Indus. Katas Raj temple, the oldest in Pakistan is on a plateau far from Indus and it isn't built on IVC architecture. There are no IVC style Hindu temples in India (or Pakistan). You have your own history, civilization and everything that comes with it. Why try steal ours?

Rig Veda disagrees with you.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Dear Indian members,

Why can't you be proud of your own civilization? The civilization of Ganges valley. Why abandon your roots in shame? Please consider that your holy river is Ganges not Indus. You take dips in Ganges. You float Ashes of your dead in Ganges not Indus. All ancient Hindu temples are all along Ganges and its littoral regions. There is no ancient temple to be found in Pakistan let alone along Indus. Katas Raj temple, the oldest in Pakistan is on a plateau far from Indus and it isn't built on IVC architecture. There are no IVC style Hindu temples in India (or Pakistan). You have your own history, civilization and everything that comes with it. Why try steal ours?

Rig Veda talks about sapt Sindhu

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Brother these are historical facts. Come to any neutral forum and there is consensus. Unfortunately since this is a Pakistani forum so neutral discussion is impossible. I wish we Pakistanis were capable of reasoned debate.

You mean come to any racist Indian forum and there is consensus - no one is stopping you from providing credible links to genetic and anthropological studies that establish, beyond doubt, that the founders and residents of the IVC just packed up their bags and moved away.

We are mainly Dalit converts with Arab blood, IVC people were high caste so how can we be the descendants?

Since when did Indians start claiming they had Arab blood? But hey, if you think you do, all power to you.

 

[Paksanity]

Please have a look at what present day India looked like at the time of Indus Valley Civilization

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Please have a look at what present day India looked like at the time of Indus Valley Civilization


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Ah. Ancient Aryavarta. Thank you.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Dear Indian members,

Why can't you be proud of your own civilization? The civilization of Ganges valley. Why abandon your roots in shame? Please consider that your holy river is Ganges not Indus. You take dips in Ganges. You float Ashes of your dead in Ganges not Indus. All ancient Hindu temples are all along Ganges and its littoral regions. There is no ancient temple to be found in Pakistan let alone along Indus. Katas Raj temple, the oldest in Pakistan is on a plateau far from Indus and it isn't built on IVC architecture. There are no IVC style Hindu temples in India (or Pakistan). You have your own history, civilization and everything that comes with it. Why try steal ours?

Rig Veda talks about sapt Sindhu

Please have a look at what present day India looked like at the time of Indus Valley Civilization


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During Bronze age , Most of the India was Forest . With the coming of Iron age , forests were cleared and some People of IVC migrated to Ganges plains and not Ganges Valley

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You are confusing my tone to be exclusive.

The world does not have a problem if you claim to belong to IVC.
The world has a problem if you claim SOLE ownership of IVC.

Can Pakistani's claim Arab, Persian and Afghan history (outside of Arab and Persian invasions and migration into the lands that constitute Pakistan) merely because we follow a faith established in Arabia? No.

Following religious beliefs that might be similar or may have evolved from another land and peoples is not the same thing as being descendants of those ancient people.

Rig Veda talks about sapt Sindhu

The Quran talks about lands in Arabia - that doesn't mean non-Arab Muslims can now claim Arab history from those lands.