BJP will not back Tamil Eelam.

[manlion]

This is actually right. Without the help of Sinhalese there wouldn't have been Theravada cannon of Buddhism. It is a fact.

You owe it to the Thais and Burmese for the revival of the declining Buddhism in SL. It was only after 1760,the Siam Nikkaya and Burmese Amarapura Nikkaya revived Buddhism in SL. The history of Sinhala Buddhism only 300 yrs old , but these clowns make a dance and song on their pure form of Buddhism

This is actually very illogical. If Sinhalese were Tamils before the arrival of Buddhism then it would have been much easier to use Tamil to propagate Buddhism rather than developing a whole new language.

you got to check that out with
Prof Wijeyanayake from London (like many Sinhala scholars) wrote in the Sunday Observer of 17 November 1996:

“The origin of the Sinhala race is in Lanka. There is no scientific evidence of Indians originating in India who speak Sinhalese.”

In the manner of Christian missionaries converting Buddhists and Hindus to Christianity in the 16th century A.D., Arahat Mahinda converted the Hindu King Devenampiya Tissa and his Hindu subjects (Tamils), to the Buddhist faith in 246 B.C. The vehicles of the Dhamma were the Pali and Sanskrit languages. Sinhala evolved through the intermingling of the Tamil, Pali and Sanskrit languages

Tamil Pallava? Does it need to be specifically Tamil?

yes because you guy have the history of stealing from Tamils to later claim yours

 

[Multani]

It is an ethnic group in Sri Lanka officially! Malay muslims are another different group in here.

yes officially it is considered as such. But the origins of the group are that they are converts from the Sinhalese and the Tamils.

Even the past decades, Tamils and Sinhalese have converted to Islam and joined the overall Sri Lankan Muslim population.

 

[Multani]

You owe it to the Thais and Burmese for the revival of the declining Buddhism in SL. It was only after 1760,the Siam Nikkaya and Burmese Amarapura Nikkaya revived Buddhism in SL. The history of Sinhala Buddhism only 300 yrs old , but these clowns make a dance and song on their pure form of Buddhism



you got to check that out with
Prof Wijeyanayake from London (like many Sinhala scholars) wrote in the Sunday Observer of 17 November 1996:

“The origin of the Sinhala race is in Lanka. There is no scientific evidence of Indians originating in India who speak Sinhalese.”

In the manner of Christian missionaries converting Buddhists and Hindus to Christianity in the 16th century A.D., Arahat Mahinda converted the Hindu King Devenampiya Tissa and his Hindu subjects (Tamils), to the Buddhist faith in 246 B.C. The vehicles of the Dhamma were the Pali and Sanskrit languages. Sinhala evolved through the intermingling of the Tamil, Pali and Sanskrit languages



yes because you guy have the history of stealing from Tamils to later claim yours

The Sinhalese are a separate ethnic group. They are not Tamils. Before the conversion of the Sinhalese to Budhism, they could have followed Hinduism, but even then they were not Tamils. This is just like Malayalis are not Tamils.

Even the Tamils followed Budhism in huge numbers until hindu persecution started with the help of shakaracharya

 

[abjktu]

1500 yrs ago there was no malayali ,,,, apply the same logic to your Sinhala cousins down south

yes,we all came lately from Jupiter....

This is just like Malayalis are not Tamils.

we have an entirely different culture from Tamils..the only similarity is in our language....

 

[Skyline]

yes officially it is considered as such. But the origins of the group are that they are converts from the Sinhalese and the Tamils.

Even the past decades, Tamils and Sinhalese have converted to Islam and joined the overall Sri Lankan Muslim population.

They came to Sri Lanka as traders and then integrated to Sri Lankan society. Sinhalese or Tamils who has converted to Muslim is lower coz of religion "Islam" is totally alien religion to us. It is easy to find a Sinhalese Catholic or Tamil Catholic etc but it's too rare to find a Sinhalese Muslim or Tamil Muslim.

Let's say a Sinhala Buddhist or Tamil Hindu person adopts Catholic religion, people do not take it as big deal. But when a Sinhala Buddhist or Tamil Hindu person adopts Islam as their religion it's something like omg..are you crazzyyy?? reaction.

 

[Multani]

They came to Sri Lanka as traders and then integrated to Sri Lankan society. Sinhalese or Tamils who has converted to Muslim is lower coz of religion "Islam" is totally alien religion to us. It is easy to find a Sinhalese Catholic or Tamil Catholic etc but it's too rare to find a Sinhalese Muslim or Tamil Muslim.

Let's say a Sinhala Buddhist or Tamil Hindu person adopts Catholic religion, people do not take it as big deal. But when a Sinhala Buddhist or Tamil Hindu person adopts Islam as their religion it's something like omg..are you crazzyyy?? reaction.

The Muslims in Sri Lanka are 90% converts from the Sinhalese majority and the Tamil minority.

They converted at the hands of Muslim missionaries called Sufis from hadramaut yemen, over a period of 1000 years.

If they are classified as a separate ethnic group in Sri Lanka today, that is fine, because they have over the centuires intermarried with arabs, Burmese, Indians, and malays.

However, even today thousands of Sinhalese have converted to Islam.

 

[Skyline]

The Muslims in Sri Lanka are 90% converts from the Sinhalese majority and the Tamil minority.

They converted at the hands of Muslim missionaries called Sufis from hadramaut yemen, over a period of 1000 years.

If they are classified as a separate ethnic group in Sri Lanka today, that is fine, because they have over the centuires intermarried with arabs, Burmese, Indians, and malays.

However, even today thousands of Sinhalese have converted to Islam.

how do you calculate this 90%?

nah, I don't think so! There are some random marriages but this "converting" thing is not happening that scale. As I said earlier society has some strange feeling if someone adopts islam as their religion than catholic etc in Sri Lanka!

 

[HeinzG]

You might "not know" for your political convenience of Sinhala supremacy, the Kings had Tamil names e.g Dutu Gemunu's father's name was Kakka vannan Tissa (Tamil - crow colored Tissa) changed to Kavan Tissa by Mahanama in Mahavasma.

Kakka vannan Tissa is a Sinhalese name. I have never heard any Tamil called Tissa. or Kakka vanna.

Don't spill your BS here. According to you every thing in Sri Lanka is Tamil.

Duttu Gemunu, was a devotee of the Tamil God Murukan at Kataragama . In the Mahawamsa, Gemunu invoked the blessings of the Murukan to endow him with strength to defeat the Tamil King Elara in battle.

The fact they had original Tamil names , later changed to Sinhala, and a strong Hindu hereditary elements, attest to the fact that they were Tamil Hindus before their conversion to Sinhala Buddism.

The god at Kataragama I dunno cannot be verified be as Murukan in the days of Dutu Gamunu. It is a long shot from you side.

What are those Tamil names? AFAIK the village names of Jaffna peninsula is Sinhalese before turning into Tamil.

 

[manlion]

The Sinhalese are a separate ethnic group. They are not Tamils. Before the conversion of the Sinhalese to Budhism, they could have followed Hinduism, but even then they were not Tamils. This is just like Malayalis are not Tamils.

In the 3rd Tamil Sangam era (3rd BC to 12th AD), there were 3 Tamil kingdoms , Chera, Chola and Pandya. Cheras, in the 13/14th century lost their Tamil identity to become Malayalis, due to Aryan sankritisation

Political History of the Sangam Age – The Chera, Chola and Pandyas

Even the Tamils followed Budhism in huge numbers until hindu persecution started with the help of shakaracharya

Sankarcharyas had no political power to persecute Tamil Buddhists /Jains, his influence was confine within the monastic order dealing with polemic issues. Tamil Kings namely, Cholas converted to vernacular Tamil saivism and Pallavas to Tamil vaisnavism, who persecuted Buddhists and Jains. The persecucuted Buddhist monks fled to SL

That should explain the Sinhala Buddhists anti Tamil Hindu hardline stance

The Muslims in Sri Lanka are 90% converts from the Sinhalese majority and the Tamil minority.

They converted at the hands of Muslim missionaries called Sufis from hadramaut yemen, over a period of 1000 years.

If they are classified as a separate ethnic group in Sri Lanka today, that is fine, because they have over the centuires intermarried with arabs, Burmese, Indians, and malays..

you have a problem here, neither the Sinhalas nor Muslims will admit they were local converts , both wish to pass of as Moors

 

[manlion]

Kakka vannan Tissa is a Sinhalese name. I have never heard any Tamil called Tissa. or Kakka vanna.

Shows your ignorance, just because you didn't hear doesn't mean it never existed, you should take it up with your knowledgeable and qualified Sinhala scholar like Prof Wijeyanayake and not with me.

The god at Kataragama I dunno cannot be verified be as Murukan in the days of Dutu Gamunu. It is a long shot from you side.

you should pose that question to the late Mahanama Thero , author Mahavamsa , I merely repeated what he wrote in the Mahavamsa - Duttu Gamunu invoked the blessings of Murukan

Spiritual relationship with Kataragama Deviyo (Murugan)

During the period of war preparation with king Elara, one day the God Kataragama appeared in front of the king Dutugemunu and given him a sword to be used in the war with Elara where the place now Henakaduwa (kaduwa, meaning sword in sinhala), temple is situated.

After defeating the king Elara's rule in the country, the king Dutugemunu has done a sacrifice meditation where the place of Kiri Vehera Kataragama and again Kataragama Deviyo (Murugan) appeared in front of him and the king asked what should be done for the help given by the god for winning the war, then the god replied by striking an arrow to the direction of Wedahitikanda from Kiri Vehera, then built a temple for the god,in the place where the arrow fell down

Dutugamunu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What are those Tamil names? AFAIK the village names of Jaffna peninsula is Sinhalese before turning into Tamil.

That's from your Sinhala fabricated source, that should be enough to justify the burning of Jaffna public library - history

Many Tamil names have been changed in a calculated manner to Sinhala names by the methodical campaign of the government in the Tamil inhibiting eastern Sri Lanka.

Sri Lanka Guardian: Sinhalisation of captured Tamil areas by the Defence Ministry website

 

[Skyline]

Sri Lanka Guardian: Sinhalisation of captured Tamil areas by the Defence Ministry website

There are no Tamil areas in Sri Lanka. Sinhalese do not need to "Sinhalisation" in their own land! lol

 

[HeinzG]

Shows your ignorance, just because you didn't hear doesn't mean it never existed, you should take it up with your knowledgeable and qualified Sinhala scholar like Prof Wijeyanayake and not with me.

Prof Wijeyanayake didn't say Kakka vanna Tissa is a Tamil name. This is your hypothesis.

you should pose that question to the late Mahanama Thero , author Mahavamsa , I merely repeated what he wrote in the Mahavamsa - Duttu Gamunu invoked the blessings of Murukan

Spiritual relationship with Kataragama Deviyo (Murugan)

During the period of war preparation with king Elara, one day the God Kataragama appeared in front of the king Dutugemunu and given him a sword to be used in the war with Elara where the place now Henakaduwa (kaduwa, meaning sword in sinhala), temple is situated.

After defeating the king Elara's rule in the country, the king Dutugemunu has done a sacrifice meditation where the place of Kiri Vehera Kataragama and again Kataragama Deviyo (Murugan) appeared in front of him and the king asked what should be done for the help given by the god for winning the war, then the god replied by striking an arrow to the direction of Wedahitikanda from Kiri Vehera, then built a temple for the god,in the place where the arrow fell down

Dutugamunu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again hypothesis aided by Wikipedia. Don't you know educated people do not quote from Wikipedia.

BTW in Mahavansa, king dutugamunu worship Kataragama Deiyyo not Murugan. The reference of Murugan is added later in 15th century onwards due to the Tamil influence in Sinhalese culture.

That's from your Sinhala fabricated source, that should be enough to justify the burning of Jaffna public library - history

Yeah right. The Tamil history was only kept safe in Jaffna library and with the burning everything is lost. What a hilarious statement.

Your one sided comment is a insult to British archeological missions in both Sri Lanka and India.

 

[manlion]

Prof Wijeyanayake didn't say Kakka vanna Tissa is a Tamil name. This is your hypothesis.

he did (that's how I got to know the Tamil meaning of Kakka vannan) but I am not providing the link , don't expect me to be spoon feeding you with valuable information..
.so far your refutations are based on speculative nonsense , nothing scientific or even remotely logical.

Again hypothesis aided by Wikipedia. Don't you know educated people do not quote from Wikipedia.

BTW in Mahavansa, king dutugamunu worship Kataragama Deiyyo not Murugan. The reference of Murugan is added later in 15th century onwards due to the Tamil influence in Sinhalese culture.

just admit that you are ignorant of SL history , no need to use wiki as an excuse to cover your ignorance.

you need to take up the issue of god Kataragama vs Lord Murugan (15th century) with the Kapuralas of the Kataragama temple.

and you are assuming in the 15th century minority Tamils in the extreme North had political and religious power to Tamilise a Sinhala deity in extreme south ?

This is what noted historian P.E. Pieris had to say about Kataragama ,
:

…Here from remote ages was worshipped the six headed twelve-armed Kanda Kumaraya, otherwise Mahasena Divyaraja, Adhipati (Lord) of the Ruhunu Rata, the hero-god…Kataragama, say the Hindus, is his favorite adobe; in this age – the Kali Yuga – his authority extends over the entire world.

Yeah right. The Tamil history was only kept safe in Jaffna library and with the burning everything is lost. What a hilarious statement.

the very fact that the SL Nazi govt was behind the burning speaks volumes about the significance and importance of the valuable manuscripts in the library

Your one sided comment is a insult to British archeological missions in both Sri Lanka and India.

please furnish British archeological studies on SL and India to prove your case , thank you

 

[HeinzG]

he did (that's how I got to know the Tamil meaning of Kakka vannan) but I am not providing the link , don't expect me to be spoon feeding you with valuable information..
.so far your refutations are based on speculative nonsense , nothing scientific or even remotely logical.

Okey. The Tamil word for crow is kakkai not kakka. The Sanskrit word for crow is kaka. Also the Tamil word for color is niram not vanna. The Sanskrit word for colour is varna.

So the word Kakka Vanna is derived from Sanskrit not Tamil.

BTW what does the term kakka vanna imply? Do you know?

and you are assuming in the 15th century minority Tamils in the extreme North had political and religious power to Tamilise a Sinhala deity in extreme south ?

This is what you have mistaken. In 15th century Tamil culture influenced Sinhalese culture due to the political situation of the 12th century onwards. That is when all these Tamil cultural elements begin to materialize in Sinhalese society.

So it is not an issue with the bogus Tamil kingdom in the north rather than the close cultural link existed between Sri Lanka and Tamilnadu.

This is what noted historian P.E. Pieris had to say about Kataragama ,

:
Yes historian P.E. Pieris is correct. It is Hindus who named Kataragama Deiyyo as Murugan.

And Sinhalese having no issue with it accepted it also.

the very fact that the SL Nazi govt was behind the burning speaks volumes about the significance and importance of the valuable manuscripts in the library

This is where you have mistaken. If there was any historical artifact related to the Tamil kingdom in North it should be in national museum in Colombo. If there was any historical related to the Tamil kingdom in North it should be in the national archives. So your claim that every thing related to Tamil kingdom in North was at Jaffna Library was a bogus claim.

Libraries are there to store books. Not to store historical documents. If you do not know about it go visit a library.

 

[manlion]

Okey. The Tamil word for crow is kakkai not kakka. The Sanskrit word for crow is kaka. Also the Tamil word for color is niram not vanna. The Sanskrit word for colour is varna.

So the word Kakka Vanna is derived from Sanskrit not Tamil.

BTW what does the term kakka vanna imply? Do you know?

crow in Sanskrit is kakaha , color is varna, as per your argument the Sinhala king should have been named Kakkahavarna Tissa and not Kakkavanna Tissa

show me any Sanskrit literature text that has a name of a person ending with "vanna" ?

debunking your Sanskrit assertation

Kakkavanna or Manivanna is a common name in ancient Tamil literature, alluding to the dark Dravidian god

a text from 8th century Tamil literature on the Dravidian god

maale manivanna marghazi neer aduvam

meaning - Lord (maale) my beloved (vanna) , sapphire (mani)

13th century hymn on the Dravidian god

Kaaka Kaaka Kanaha vel Kaaka
Thaakka Thaakka Thadaiyara Thaakka

meaning - protect (kaaka) the jewel (kanaha) spear (vel)

kakka vanna in Tamil means beloved protector and not crow colored as made up by Sinhala quacks. Which make sense naming the King - Crow colored or beloved Protector ?

this just exposes the madness of the Sinhala racists' how they twist/manipulate a Tamil name into an idiotic Sanskrit name

crow in Tamil is kakka not kakkai, nursery rhyme for your Tamil pre-Ed

This is what you have mistaken. In 15th century Tamil culture influenced Sinhalese culture due to the political situation of the 12th century onwards. That is when all these Tamil cultural elements begin to materialize in Sinhalese society.

so now you admit there was a Tamil 'influence' since 12 century , why not extend it to 3rd BC ?
this just substantiates my argument, that up till the15th century, Sinhalas were Tamil Hindus and the Sinhalisation of Tamil Hindus in the south commenced in the16/17th century and was completed by 20th century.

So it is not an issue with the bogus Tamil kingdom in the north rather than the close cultural link existed between Sri Lanka and Tamilnadu.

Mahavamsa clearly states the existence of a Tamil kingdom in Anuradapura whom Duttu Gamunu defeated and 32 other Tamil chieftains all over the island. Read up, the chronicled 'history', Mahavamsa , and stop wasting my time

This is where you have mistaken. If there was any historical artifact related to the Tamil kingdom in North it should be in national museum in Colombo. If there was any historical related to the Tamil kingdom in North it should be in the national archives. So your claim that every thing related to Tamil kingdom in North was at Jaffna Library was a bogus claim.

it is about Sinhalisation of Tamils in the south etc why are you diverting to the north ?

the 3rd BC artifacts and cave inscriptions in Anuradapura are not Sinhala origin, learn to live with the reality and not hide under Sinhala Nazi fantasy based on fabricated lies and manipulated evidence.

Libraries are there to store books. Not to store historical documents. If you do not know about it go visit a library.

The 150 yr old library as one was the most prestigious in south Asia and contain more than 97,000 rare palm leaf ancient manuscripts which were important historic documents, that contested the Sinhala Nazi political history of Sri Lanka