BJP warns govt. over Kashmir

[Subramanian]

I am not debating with your family members , so no point in mentioning about them.

We are debating on Kashmir issue. Problem of the Pundits ( Go back to my original post). NDA efficincy in other matter is irrelevant .(I am not a Cong guy, but I dont see any difference between these two parties ) Stick to that only. Tell if you have any information regarding these.

If BJP also feels it is not possible to get Kashmir full in Indian control by war then why keep on shouting about "Kashmir is ...." rather than coming to a reasonable solution.

That was to tell you my inside knowledge of things.

BJP has no choice but to play it this way.I dont like the current lot but i cant stand the Congress,Communists or the pseudo-OBC leaders.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

funny thing is, such signs against india actually take place INSIDE of occupied Kashmir

nobody is denying the political issues in Balochistan (actually i sympathise more with them than i do the government)

but to compare Balochistan to occupied Kashnir is in itself so absurd, it is an epic fail which the bharti litter here always commit

 

[majesticpankaj]

some brothers! The ones who want to disown any artificially-created ''bond'' you ''have'' with them

u people do not able to provide adequate safety and security to ur own people .. how can u talk like this ??

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Lol...They were made to (read forced) to sign the accession when the Khan of Kalat was 'escorted' to Karachi and made to sign the accession document resulting in the first Baloch war of independence immediately in 1948 under Prince Abdul Karim and their struggle continues to this day.

BS..... Then why was the khan of kalat and other elders cheering for Jinnah? the small stupid war was started by the power hungry brother of khan who himself was unfit for the rule!

Even now I hear Pakistani flag does not fly in any parts of interior Balochistan and its is rather the BLA flag that is flown. Pity.

Pity... dravidians talking abt baluchistan ....... come to baluchistan and see for urself...........

Its better thn assam where they r hoisting Pakistani flags!

Doesnt matter a bit as we have shown in the last 63 years.Everything changes with time.

In the last 63 years they have only showed resiliance and have not left their struggle for freedom !

 

[Subramanian]

BS..... Then why was the khan of kalat and other elders cheering for Jinnah? the small stupid war was started by the power hungry brother of khan who himself was unfit for the rule!


Pity... dravidians talking abt baluchistan ....... come to baluchistan and see for urself...........

Its better thn assam where they r hoisting Pakistani flags!




In the last 63 years they have only showed resiliance and have not left their struggle for freedom !

Pakistani flags in Assam?

Assamese dont even know what a flag is?They just work in the far,smoke the chillum and take a nap in their courtyard and the enjoy the idyllic assamese summer afternoon.

 

[KS]

BS..... Then why was the khan of kalat and other elders cheering for Jinnah? the small stupid war was started by the power hungry brother of khan who himself was unfit for the rule!

A victim of systemic brainwashing.

The Khan of Kalat claimed that Jinnah had asked him whether he would be willing to send representatives to the Pakistan Constituent Assembly, to which he responded in the negative, saying it would not be possible because of Kalat’s independent status. ........ A series of meetings between the Viceroy, as the Crown’s Representative, Mr. Jinnah and the Khan of Kalat followed, which resulted in a communiqué on August 11, 1947. The communiqué stated that:

a. The Government of Pakistan recognizes Kalat as an independent sovereign state in treaty relations with the British Government with a status different from that of Indian states.
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The communiqué was signed by Lord Mountbatten, Mr. Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Mr. Liaquat Ali Khan, Lord Ismay,(Chief Commissioner) Mr. Ahmed Yar Khan (Khan of Kalat), Mr. Muhammad Aslam Khan (The PM of Kalat), Sir Sultan Ahmed (Legal Counsel).

The New York Times in its publication dated 12th August 1947 flashed the following news “Under the agreement, Pakistan recognizes Kalat as an independent sovereign state with a status different from that of the Indian state. .........

On 13th August 1947 the New York Times published a world map wherein Balochistan was shown as a free and independent state.

On 12th August 1947 the Khan of Kalat proclaimed independence and the flag of Kalat was hoisted. The upper & lower houses of the legislative were constituted and their first session was summoned for Sep 1947........

On August 15, 1947 when the British withdrew from India, the Khan of Kalat said in his speech: “I thank God that one aspiration, that is independence, has been achieved, but the other two, the enforcement of Shariah-i-Muhammadi and unification of Baloch people, remain to be fulfilled. .......

By October 1947, Muhammad Ali Jinnah had a change of heart on the recognition of Kalat as an “Independent and a Sovereign State”, and wanted the Khan to sign the same form of instrument of accession as the other states, which had joined Pakistan. The Khan was unwilling to abandon the nominally achieved independent status but ready to concede on Defense, Foreign Affairs and Communications.


The Khan summoned both the houses of the legislative and a joint session was held on 14th December 1947 in Dhadar. The issue of accession to Pakistan was presented before the lower house (Dar-ul_Awam) by Mr. Douglas Y. Fell, the foreign minister of Kalat. Mr. Fell told the house that the Government of Pakistan wanted the state of Kalat to announce accession with Pakistan and subsequent to this the fate of leased areas, Kharan and Lasbela would be decided. He further told that the Khan categorically told Jinnah that Kalat was not prepared for accession with Pakistan. Mir Ghaus Buksh Bizenjo while addressing the Dar-ul-Awam said ‘Although we are Muslims, this does not mean we should be a part of Pakistan, If only being Muslim is the solitary reason for our being part of Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan should also merge into Pakistan. It is impossible for Balochistan to be a part of Pakistan. Before the creation of Pakistan our Khan accommodated Muslim League within its jurisdiction while Pakistan is not willing to return our leased areas and the feudatories (Kharan and Lasbela) back to us. We can take care of our Defense, Foreign policy and Communications. We also have natural resources, ports, oil and gas. If Pakistan extends the hand of friendship we would welcome it, however, any undemocratic and coercive action would not be tolerated and we are prepared for any sacrifice to preserve our freedom and independence. Similar speeches were made by other members of the house. The Dar-ul-Awam unanimously rejected accession to Pakistan. On 3rd and 4th Jan 1948, the session of Dar-ul-Umara was held in Dhadar. The house unanimously rejected any call for accession to Pakistan arguing that it would lead to cessation of Baloch Identity. The Khan then sent the unanimous decision of both the houses to Pakistan’s Foreign Office through Prime Minister of Kalat.

By February 1948, the discussions between Kalat and the Government of Pakistan were coming to a head. Mr. Jinnah wrote to the Khan of Kalat: “I advise you to join Pakistan without further delay…and let me have your final reply which you promised to do after your stay with me in Karachi when we fully discussed the whole question in all its aspects.” The Khan replied that he was not in a position to take a final decision on his own without consulting the legislative. On February 14, 1948, Mr. Jinnah visited Sibi, Balochistan and addressed a Royal Durbar, where he announced that until the Pakistan constitution is finally written in about two years time, he would govern the province with the help of an advisory council that he would nominate. However, the main reason for his visit to Balochistan was to persuade the Khan of Kalat to accede to Pakistan. As it transpired, the Khan failed to turn up for the final meeting with him, pleading illness. In his letter to Mr. Jinnah he said that he had summoned both Houses of the Parliament, Dar-ul-Umara and Dar-ul-Awam, for their opinion about the future relations with the Dominion of Pakistan, and he would inform him about their opinion by the end of the month. When the Dar-ul-Awam met on February 21, 1948, it decided not to accede, but to negotiate a treaty to determine Kalat’s future relations with Pakistan. The Khan of Kalat also called a meeting of the Dar-ul-Umara to consider Mr. Jinnah’s request for Kalat to accede to Pakistan. The Dar-ul-Umara asked the Khan to seek three months to consider this request. The Khan of Kalat, made a brief speech in which he emphasized the need to have friendly relations with Pakistan, and also said that the intentions of Mr. Jinnah towards Kalat were good. The Prime Minister of Kalat spoke next, and said that since this House had voted for Kalat’s independence, the only way forward for Kalat was to accede to Pakistan in the matters of Defense, Communications and Foreign Affairs. The Prime Minister argued that with accession in respect of the three subjects, the internal independence of Kalat would not be affected. But Mir Ghaus Baksh Bizanjo spoke against accession to Pakistan, and he argued that if Pakistan wanted friendship with Kalat, it should restore its leased territories as well as Kharan and Las Bela. The House dispersed without any intention of meeting again. Dar-ul-Umara asked for three months to study the terms of accession in order to understand its implications. On March 9, 1948 the Khan received communication from Mr. Jinnah announcing that he had decided not to deal personally with the Kalat state negotiations, which would henceforth be dealt with by the Pakistan Government.

On 17th March 1948 the Government of Pakistan announced accession of Kharan and Lasbela. Similarly Makran which was part of Kalat for 300 years was declared a separate state and annexed. All these actions generated unrest and strong negative sentiments among the people of Balochistan.


On 27 March 1948, Lt.Colonel Gulzar of the 7th Baluch Regiment under GOC Major General Mohammad Akbar Khan invaded the Khanate of Kalat. General Akbar escorted the Khan of Kalat to Karachi and forced him to sign on the instrument of accession, as reported by Selig Harrison in his book “On the Shadows of Afghanistan”, while Pakistan Navy’s destroyers reached Pasni and Jiwani. The Khan of Kalat signed the accession papers on 28th March 1948. Mr. Jinnah signed them on 31st March 1948.The Khan was then detained, his cabinet dissolved, a large number of Baloch “dissidents” arrested and the army assumed full control of the province.

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So much for voluntary accession. Perhaps Balochistan has more justification for independence than Kashmir and one day they will definitely achieve it.

Pity... dravidians talking abt baluchistan ....... come to baluchistan and see for urself...........

This is not the stone age to come and see everything. There is something called internet perhaps unheard of in the caves and mountains.

In the last 63 years they have only showed resiliance and have not left their struggle for freedom !

Good luck for another 600 years , yet you can do squat. But make sure you dont loose another half of your country like you did in 1971.

 

[misterme2]

Did u even read it ?

If its indias internet matter why is it called indian occupied,why is it discussed by 2 countries with UN n others interfering?

When u go to IOK ask the kashmiris what they think of ur india.

Just like AZAD......you cannot ask anyone because the area was flooded with Pakistani ppl...

 

[sab]

That was to tell you my inside knowledge of things.

BJP has no choice but to play it this way.I dont like the current lot but i cant stand the Congress,Communists or the pseudo-OBC leaders.

I am not interested in politics at all. But I believe people should preach what they believe. And everyone should undersatnd finding a solution is in benefit of both countries and of the Kashmiries. Keep it pending means keeping a white elphant...They should work towards a plebiscite under UN to finish the issue...I have no problem if government think of a final war too. But we can not drag it for eternity.

 

[KS]

I am not interested in politics at all. But I believe people should preach what they believe. And everyone should undersatnd finding a solution is in benefit of both countries and of the Kashmiries. Keep it pending means keeping a white elphant...They should work towards a plebiscite under UN to finish the issue...I have no problem if government think of a final war too. But we can not drag it for eternity.

Plebiscite is not possible for two simple things.

1) There has been a huge demographic change in P0K which has been more or less Punjabi-zed while the reverse is true in case of JnK where a section of the natives were chased out.

2) The Shimla Accord rule out the third party (UN) interventions make Kashmir a bilateral issue.

 

[sab]

Plebiscite is not possible for two simple things.

1) There has been a huge demographic change in P0K which has been more or less Punjabi-zed while the reverse is true in case of JnK where a section of the natives were chased out.

2) The Shimla Accord rule out the third party (UN) interventions make Kashmir a bilateral issue.

There is another problem, that is the part given to China by Pakistan. Second point is not a big issue. If two countries want that can be changed. But point one is a serious problem, because influx of Punjabis in will shift the balance in favour of Pakistan. Otherwise I fill more people in Kashmir will vote for India rather than Kashmir if the option for 'complete Independence' is not there. They should think how to include the Pundit communities in the plebiscite and in case of how to remove the non-Kashmiri population from the election process. It is only possible under athird party.

 

[alphamale]

There is another problem, that is the part given to China by Pakistan. Second point is not a big issue. If two countries want that can be changed. But point one is a serious problem, because influx of Punjabis in will shift the balance in favour of Pakistan. Otherwise I fill more people in Kashmir will vote for India rather than Kashmir if the option for 'complete Independence' is not there. They should think how to include the Pundit communities in the plebiscite and in case of how to remove the non-Kashmiri population from the election process. It is only possible under athird party.

dude why are u stressing so much on plebiscite, it is practically not possible at all. india will never do that, so no chance of any plebiscite.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

as usual, indians weak and failed attempt to bring up non-issues and present them as issues

as for BJP --at least we know what we get. Easy to deal with those types. They project themselves as ''tough'' in their own country but then you have people like Jaswant Singh who come out and have nothing but adulation for Jinnah sahib (something which costs him his career! )

 

[INDIAN SOLDIER]

So that we can lose more civilian's and army men in future.
Kashmir is nothing but a false pride for both Indians and Pakistan's.

No, its a commitment towards your motherland. As per your logic, we should have ceded Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim to China. A lot of lives could have been saved rt!!!
Hope IA won't have any soldier's like you guys. Sorry, but I have to say!

 

[KS]

There is another problem, that is the part given to China by Pakistan. Second point is not a big issue. If two countries want that can be changed. But point one is a serious problem, because influx of Punjabis in will shift the balance in favour of Pakistan. Otherwise I fill more people in Kashmir will vote for India rather than Kashmir if the option for 'complete Independence' is not there. They should think how to include the Pundit communities in the plebiscite and in case of how to remove the non-Kashmiri population from the election process. It is only possible under athird party.

Frankly Plebscite is not possible -- so much water (blood) has flown under the bridge to even remotely think of that.

Only solution is to make LoC as IB, trifurcating J&K into the State of Jammu integrating into India, Union Territory of Ladakh and the Six Autonomous Districts of Kashmir under the constitution of India after they have secured the right to return of the Kashmiri Pandits and compensate them financially enabling them to lead a secure and honorable life.

Anything else looks good on paper but not achievable on ground.

 

[sab]

dude why are u stressing so much on plebiscite, it is practically not possible at all. india will never do that, so no chance of any plebiscite.

Then what is practical solution in your opinion?...an all out war? Maintain a white elephant for eternity? Expecting oneday Pakistan will gift rest of Kashmir to us ?