BJP embarrassed again as RSS claims Hindus should 'weigh and assess their power'

[SarthakGanguly]

SC has already ordered the center to reduce hajj subsidy gradually and abolish it entirely within 10 years.

Will my dad get the Haaj subsidy money given for decades back? Otherwise being forced to give it up now without compensation is meaningless.

 

[Diggy]

Its a statement of fact. Can you dispute that India is the land of the Hindus?



So are you giving 1 billion Hindus a Kailash Mansarovar subsidy for the next 10 years while you continue to provide for a haj subsidy?

No? Why? Different rights for different Indians? Does not sound very secular to me.



I do not see why the PM needs to speak up because you feel he needs to. If you feel he needs to speak up against Hindu right wingers, why do you not feel he needs to speak up against Muslim right wingers? Why do you feel he does not need to speak up against evangelistic Christian missionaries funded by foreign money? Why do you feel its the Hindu actions that only "pose a threat to the unity of India"?

spot on bro

 

[doppelganger]

Will my dad get the Haaj subsidy money given for decades back? Otherwise being forced to give it up now without compensation is meaningless.

My dad would like a share as well.

Not just his, but that of his dad too. My mom wants it too. For herself, and her dad before her.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

My dad would like a share as well.

Not just his, but that of his dad too. My mom wants it too. For herself, and her dad before her.

Yes, it makes sense as well. We giving Hajj money makes no sense to me. We would not even be allowed to enter the place. No Non Muslim will be allowed actually!
OTOH, anyone can go to Mans Sarovar.

 

[doppelganger]

Yes, it makes sense as well. We giving Hajj money makes no sense to me. We would not even be allowed to enter the place. No Non Muslim will be allowed actually!
OTOH, anyone can go to Mans Sarovar.

Why does the GOI administer Hindu temple trusts?

Why is there a Muslim Waqf Board that does the same? Why does the GOI not run Christian churches as well?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Why does the GOI administer Hindu temple trusts?

Why is there a Muslim Waqf Board that does the same? Why does the GOI not run Christian churches as well?

Because they know they can get away with it.

 

[doppelganger]

Because they know they can get away with it.

Would it then be fair to say that it is Hindu charity money that subsidizes Indian Muslims for their haj pilgrimage?

@The_Showstopper

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Would it then be fair to say that it is Hindu charity money that subsidizes Indian Muslims for their haj pilgrimage?

Among other things, yes.

 

[doppelganger]

Among other things, yes.

If so, I don't have a problem with that. I see it as our community taking care of our needy brothers.

But the least that can also be done is to use some of that money to send our old people to our own holy pilgrimages also.

That is my point.

P.S. Would also help if our Muslim brothers in Kashmir not dig into their own pockets, but at least not be so "difficult" when we want to go for our pilgrimage there on our own land. Someone could be mistaken in believing they were actually giving us permission ....

 

[NKVD]

What are you doing in Canada? Please go back. You are needed in BJP's India.

@WebMaster @Horus @Jango This idiocy must be controlled for it is going out of control now. When did ISIS say all that and what the hell is this 'kuranistan'? Please stop these Hindutva hysterical statements that are plaguing this forum like nothing. Disgusting indeed.

Since your So Eager SEE your Self

 

[Prajapati]

That'd mean implicit support. He has to take a stand.

Of course it means implicit support. Why can he not imply implicit support to Ghar wapsi ? It is very much within his rights and as per BJP stand as a party that exposes Hindu values.

Don't the Christian Church and the Western govt. provide implicit support to Christian Evangelism ?

What do you think Obama was doing when he was preaching to Indians about "religious freedom" ?

 

[Srinivas]

Since your So Eager SEE your Self
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I am sure some Pakistani has drawn the map. Khorasan is not India. Their obsession about conquering India !

 

[Span]

Let me assume you don't like Modi. And you don't vote for him. .

Or let's say I supported him merely on development lines and had no idea the religious jingoists he'd bring along with himself? Yeah I've personally seen 'the constitutional values' being reduced to dust on the ground level in elections, but that doesn't mean I cannot question it's continuity.

Its a statement of fact. Can you dispute that India is the land of the Hindus?

When our Constitution states otherwise, who am I to dispute anything?

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So are you giving 1 billion Hindus a Kailash Mansarovar subsidy for the next 10 years while you continue to provide for a haj subsidy?

No? Why? Different rights for different Indians? Does not sound very secular to me.

That's okay, I don't expect you to know the administrative and policy changes that'd be required to implement the SC order. It takes time, has to be done in phases. There's nothing non-secular about it.

If there's something non-secular, it is the fact that had it not been for SC, it'd still be permitted to run by successive governments, be it formed by Congress or BJP or any other political party. The vote bank politics is a harsh reality of any democratic setup, but if people continue to be catered as such, there'll surely be castes and communities left but no India. The signs are already there. You people are already fine with the fact that it's how politics works in a multi-party democracy.

I do not see why the PM needs to speak up because you feel he needs to. If you feel he needs to speak up against Hindu right wingers, why do you not feel he needs to speak up against Muslim right wingers? Why do you feel he does not need to speak up against evangelistic Christian missionaries funded by foreign money? Why do you feel its the Hindu actions that only "pose a threat to the unity of India"?

Firstly, not only me but a sizeable population of India ranging across different religion groups wants him to take a stand, and mind you, not only against right wing Hindi groups, but Muslim, Christian, every one of them posing a threat to the unity.

Secondly, refrain from putting words in my mouth that I'm okay with Muslim, christian right wingers and just not Hindus.

Sure the ground reality is that nationalism takes a backseat when it comes to religion, but more worrying is the fact that you people are fine with it.

Why can he not imply implicit support to Ghar wapsi ? It is very much within his rights and as per BJP stand as a party that exposes Hindu values.

The issue is not his implicit support to Ghar Wapsi only, but many other RSS statements and actions. Not on one occasion has he categorically disapproved the statements being issued by the leaders and chief of an organization which holds a significant influence on the ruling party.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Or let's say I supported him merely on development lines and had no idea the religious jingoists he'd bring along with himself? Yeah I've personally seen 'the constitutional values' being reduced to dust on the ground level in elections, but that doesn't mean I cannot question it's continuity.

Nobody votes Modi for development alone.
It's ok if you voted against him. And you will most likely vote against him in future as well. Nothing wrong in that. So why should Modi placate you, instead of those who voted for him?

When our Constitution states otherwise, who am I to dispute anything?

The Constitution, not unlike any other book (including religious book), is ultimately only a piece of paper. Ok, many pieces of paper.

The issue is not his implicit support to Ghar Wapsi only

Conversion to Hinduism/Buddhism/Sikhism/Jainism is a necessity. The sooner the better. His silence is needed as well. The organizations working for this should be supported instead of being chastised.

 

[ashok mourya]

Aray bhaiya no one voted for your Hindutva.Everyone voted for development.

Stop barking and focus on development otherwise Modi wont get a second chance.

No one voted BJP for development.Only hindus and some nationalist of other religion who are culturally hindus voted for BJP.

In another act of embarrassment for the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) chief Mohan Bhagwat stoked controversy again on Sunday by remarking that India belongs to the Hindus.

“Hindustan is our nation, a rashtra of Hindus,” the RSS Sarsanghchalak said in Meerut while addressing a meeting of several wings of the party.

“But we have to expand it by uniting all Hindus. Our country would become great if we succeed in uniting the Hindus. This unity will also be a bliss for the world. The world will awaken if the Hindus are united and awakened,” he added.

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RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat said: "Our country would become great if we succeed in uniting the Hindus".

Bhagwat claimed that the situation, which was against the Hindus for last many decades, was now in their favour.

“Now, we are in a position to weigh and assess our power. It is not the favourable or unfavourable situation which helps us in pursuing our plans. It is our power which ensures our success. But it is also true that currently the circumstances are in our favour. This was not the situation before. In the past, nobody in the world used to care about the Sangh. Our workers had no means to take forward our ideology. But the situation has changed,” Bhagwat told Sangh workers.

It was only recently that US President Barack Obama, during his visit to New Delhi, had warned India against religious intolerance in the country. Bhagwat also said although there was caste system in the country and people were aware of it, now is the time to change it and unite the Hindu community beyond caste lines.

It was not the first time that the RSS chief has equated India with only one religion. He said this in the recent past in Mumbai and Bhubaneswar.

Cadres take part in an RSS programme in Bulandshahr, Uttar Pradesh

Speaking on similar lines, Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) president Praveen Togadia had claimed a few days ago that those who were living in India were Hindus.

Viewing such statements in the light of the Constitution of India, observers dubbed Bhagwat’s remark weird and unacceptable.

Spokesperson of the Uttar Pradesh unit of Congress Dwijendra Tripathi said: “The people had voted the BJP to power in the name of development. They didn’t know that the Sangh Parivar will take up religious and other contentious issues. The silence of Prime Minister Narendra Modi on these statements and activities of the RSS and its other wings are deplorable. He must not be unaware that such a demand is against the basic tenets of the Constitution of India.”

Bhagwat has been camping in Meerut since Friday and meeting senior RSS, VHP and BJP leaders of the state.

Ghaziabad MP and Minister of State for External Affairs V.K. Singh, Meerut MP Rajendra Agrawal, Prant Prachar Pramukh of RSS Ajay Mittal and BJP state president Laxmikant Bajpai have met him over the past two days.


'Demolish Allahabad fort'

Piyush Srivastava in Lucknow

Kicking up another controversy, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) on Saturday claimed that the fort built by Mughal emperor Akbar in Allahabad is a ‘symbol of slavery’ and demanded its demolition.

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The VHP called the fort "a symbol of slavery" that should be torn down

“This fort, along the banks of Yamuna river, should be razed and a shelter home for poor pilgrims should be constructed in its place. We cannot let this building stand here because it symbolises slavery,” VHP leader Ashok Singhal said.

The Allahabad fort, built by Akbar in 1583, is the fourth largest fort built by him. Currently, the structure is used as an ordnance depot by the Indian Army.


'SCs are religious warriors'

VHP patron Ashok Singhal (right) with Shankaracharya Vasudevan and Saraswati of Badrikashram in Allahabad

Echoing the views of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh’s (RSS) call to bring the Scheduled Castes (SCs) in the fold of the Sangh Parivar, Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) patron Ashok Singhal has come out in support of members of Valmiki and Sonkar castes urging they be treated equally and respectfully.

“The Valmikis, Sonkars and other Scheduled Castes are dharm-yoddhas (religious warriors). They should be honoured instead of being ostracised, he said.

The VHP patriarch alleged Islamic invaders had, many centuries ago, compelled a section of Hindus to take up menial tasks as they had refused to convert to Islam despite untold acts of oppression.

“The people consider them as untouchables. But they actually belong to the upper Hindu castes. They fought against the Islamic rulers. This was the reason why they were forced to do menial works and were pushed back in the society,” he added.

Singhal shared these views while addressing a meeting of the seers and members of the Sangh Parivar in Allahabad on Saturday.

Choosing to play the religious card, Singhal urged the Centre to start the process for construction of Ram Temple in Ayodhya and declared that his party would soon start a campaign to take over the holy cities of Kashi and Mathura.

“The Centre must pave the way for construction of Ram Temple in Ayodhya. We also want back Kashi and Mathura,” he said.

Going against the various studies made by historians, the saffron brigade claims that Mughal emperor Aurangzeb had ordered demolition of a section of the Kashi Vishwanath Temple to construct the Gyanvapi mosque.

Mathura has also been in VHP agenda since the beginning.

In an oblique reference to the victory of Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) in the Lok Sabha polls last year, Singhal said: “Prithviraj Chauhan had established Hindu rule in the country 800 years ago. Once again the Hindus are in power again. They have awakened. We must keep this awakening alive.”

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The_Showstopper

Good post friend.you must be aproud hindu.But who is Hindu as per RSS....
RSS is pro India, pro Hindutva. RSS' ideology says that there are only two kinds of Hindus in India. Those who are Hindu today and those who were Hindus yesterday. That makes every single human in India (and rest of Indian subcontinent), Hindus by culture, ancestry and tradition. That is the Hindut-va (Hindu essence). Tva in Sanskrit means characteristic, essence or hood - like Bhratrutva (brotherhood), Maatrutva (motherhood), Shatrutva (Enmity) and so on. RSS never preaches any religious doctrine using any sacred book with the eventual goal of converting everyone to that doctrine 100%. RSS does not believe in converting anyone to its "religion". So calling such organization fundamentalist is silly. If at all RSS has any fundamentals, it is that of calling India as Bharat, and treating her as the mother of every single human in Indian subcontinent. In fact, RSS supports uniform civil code in India, meaning one type of marriage/divorce/inheritance laws for ALL citizen, which is opposed by so called progressive parties like Communists and Congress!