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Biden wants Afghan exit to end US global cop role
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US President Joe Biden arrives to participate in the US Coast Guard Academy’s 140th commencement exercises on May 19, 2021 in New London, Connecticut. — AFP
“America is back,” goes President Joe Biden's catchphrase, but his unapologetic exit from Afghanistan shows America won't be back to business as usual.

Beyond the trauma of the Kabul evacuation, Biden is pitching a much broader retreat: a halt to using vast military resources to impose order and US values around the planet.

“This decision about Afghanistan is not just about Afghanistan,” Biden said in what many see as a historic speech on Tuesday. “It's about ending an era of major military operations to remake other countries.”

“Human rights will be at the centre of our foreign policy but the way to do that is not through endless military deployments,” he said.

“Our strategy has to change.” Benjamin Haddad, director of the Europe Center at the Atlantic Council and an expert on transatlantic relations, called the speech “one of the most eloquent repudiations of liberal internationalism by any US president in the last decades.”

For those Americans fond of imagining their country to be a unique, invincible superpower — winner of the Cold War, then awesome military interventionist everywhere from Iraq to Africa ever since — this is a shock.

For most, though, polls show Biden's pivot is likely to be popular.

Where Trump, Biden agree
Biden's presidency is usually seen as a repudiation of the Donald Trump administration.

It's true that a lot — from things like White House decorum to re-entering the Paris climate accord — changed the moment Biden walked into the Oval Office on January 20.

But Biden's abandonment of open-ended US military adventures — what detractors call being “the world's policeman” —is Trumpian.

When Biden announced “it's time to end this forever war,” about Afghanistan, “it could just as easily be Trump,” said Charles Franklin, a Marquette Law School professor and director of the Marquette opinion poll.

Today “the public is not committed to a large international role, certainly not of the sort the US played in the 1950s-1990s,” Franklin told AFP.

Regarding Afghanistan in particular, polls show strong backing for exiting — 77 per cent, according to a new *Washington Post-ABC News* poll — even if Biden is taking a battering for the chaotic manner of the withdrawal.

Alliances at risk?
Where Biden differs sharply from isolationist Trump is in enthusiasm for building alliances. The United States may not be a swaggering global cop, the Biden theory goes, but it can be a friendly community leader.

His administration moved quickly to put Washington back at the centre of tortuous negotiations between major powers and Iran over its nuclear policy, the climate accord, and traditional alliances like Nato.

A June trip to Europe for G7 and Nato summits — Biden's only foreign trip to date — resembled the diplomatic equivalent of a band getting back together.

Now, though, some of those allies might be feeling nervous, analysts say.

Tricia Bacon, an expert on counter-terrorism at American University's law department, told AFP that allies feel “a fair degree of frustration” over the lack of coordination in the US departure from Afghanistan.

The US “message will have to be very consistent to regain the lost credibility,” she said.

And Imad Harb, research director at the Arab Center in Washington, said European partners aren't the only ones left wondering.

“Arab regimes accustomed to a close relationship with the United States should be worried about what happened in Afghanistan,” he wrote on the think tank's website.

“Biden may have finally drawn the curtain on American military interventionism in the wider Middle East,” Harb said.

Calling Biden's post-withdrawal speech “sobering,” Harb said the apparent “contours of a 'Biden Doctrine'” will have sown “trepidation” across a region that for two decades has known no other reality than US intervention.
 
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Great news for people of the US
A big message for India.... who been chasing US whenever Pak talks about the Kashmir issue.
Hopefully this forces em to negotiate a 3 way deal with China, Pak, India on disputed territories (as president Xi reccamonded)

Be flexible and end this hostility once and for all
 
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A big message for India.... who been chasing US whenever Pak talks about the Kashmir issue.
India's stand has been clear since the beginning as consistent with the Shimla agreement 1972. We do not entertain 3rd party involvement.
Trump tried to push his nose but was told to back off.
Biden wants Afghan exit to end US global cop role
AFPPublished September 4, 2021 - Updated about 6 hours agoFacebook Count
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US President Joe Biden arrives to participate in the US Coast Guard Academy’s 140th commencement exercises on May 19, 2021 in New London, Connecticut. — AFP
“America is back,” goes President Joe Biden's catchphrase, but his unapologetic exit from Afghanistan shows America won't be back to business as usual.

Beyond the trauma of the Kabul evacuation, Biden is pitching a much broader retreat: a halt to using vast military resources to impose order and US values around the planet.

“This decision about Afghanistan is not just about Afghanistan,” Biden said in what many see as a historic speech on Tuesday. “It's about ending an era of major military operations to remake other countries.”

“Human rights will be at the centre of our foreign policy but the way to do that is not through endless military deployments,” he said.

“Our strategy has to change.” Benjamin Haddad, director of the Europe Center at the Atlantic Council and an expert on transatlantic relations, called the speech “one of the most eloquent repudiations of liberal internationalism by any US president in the last decades.”

For those Americans fond of imagining their country to be a unique, invincible superpower — winner of the Cold War, then awesome military interventionist everywhere from Iraq to Africa ever since — this is a shock.

For most, though, polls show Biden's pivot is likely to be popular.

Where Trump, Biden agree
Biden's presidency is usually seen as a repudiation of the Donald Trump administration.

It's true that a lot — from things like White House decorum to re-entering the Paris climate accord — changed the moment Biden walked into the Oval Office on January 20.

But Biden's abandonment of open-ended US military adventures — what detractors call being “the world's policeman” —is Trumpian.

When Biden announced “it's time to end this forever war,” about Afghanistan, “it could just as easily be Trump,” said Charles Franklin, a Marquette Law School professor and director of the Marquette opinion poll.

Today “the public is not committed to a large international role, certainly not of the sort the US played in the 1950s-1990s,” Franklin told AFP.

Regarding Afghanistan in particular, polls show strong backing for exiting — 77 per cent, according to a new *Washington Post-ABC News* poll — even if Biden is taking a battering for the chaotic manner of the withdrawal.

Alliances at risk?
Where Biden differs sharply from isolationist Trump is in enthusiasm for building alliances. The United States may not be a swaggering global cop, the Biden theory goes, but it can be a friendly community leader.

His administration moved quickly to put Washington back at the centre of tortuous negotiations between major powers and Iran over its nuclear policy, the climate accord, and traditional alliances like Nato.

A June trip to Europe for G7 and Nato summits — Biden's only foreign trip to date — resembled the diplomatic equivalent of a band getting back together.

Now, though, some of those allies might be feeling nervous, analysts say.

Tricia Bacon, an expert on counter-terrorism at American University's law department, told AFP that allies feel “a fair degree of frustration” over the lack of coordination in the US departure from Afghanistan.

The US “message will have to be very consistent to regain the lost credibility,” she said.

And Imad Harb, research director at the Arab Center in Washington, said European partners aren't the only ones left wondering.

“Arab regimes accustomed to a close relationship with the United States should be worried about what happened in Afghanistan,” he wrote on the think tank's website.

“Biden may have finally drawn the curtain on American military interventionism in the wider Middle East,” Harb said.

Calling Biden's post-withdrawal speech “sobering,” Harb said the apparent “contours of a 'Biden Doctrine'” will have sown “trepidation” across a region that for two decades has known no other reality than US intervention.
So US is basically admitting that the era of sole-superpower has ended. It will be led by multiple powers now.
 
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India's stand has been clear since the beginning as consistent with the Shimla agreement 1972. We do not entertain 3rd party involvement.
Trump tried to push his nose but was told to back off.

So US is basically admitting that the era of sole-superpower has ended. It will be led by multiple powers now.
Plebiscite is always welcome, but India walkaway ... the know the result....
 
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India's stand has been clear since the beginning as consistent with the Shimla agreement 1972. We do not entertain 3rd party involvement.
Trump tried to push his nose but was told to back off.

So US is basically admitting that the era of sole-superpower has ended. It will be led by multiple powers now.

Time for India to replace US's Global Cop role.
 
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Hopefully this forces em to negotiate a 3 way deal with China, Pak, India on disputed territories (as president Xi reccamonded)

Be flexible and end this hostility once and for all

No. There's no need for negotiations on disputed territories because it won't make a bloody difference. Even if you managed to settle Kashmir, it won't change Pakistan's view of India, which it considers an existential threat. That China is an ally of Pakistan makes it two versus one against India.

So US is basically admitting that the era of sole-superpower has ended. It will be led by multiple powers now.

Which is probably a good thing. Even the EU is planning to go its separate way. We could be seeing the beginning of the end of NATO.
 
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Time for India to replace US's Global Cop role.
India is happy to sit in its neighborhood and make economic deals.
We can play a cop in subcontinent but only through cooperation. We dont want to impose on nations who dont want our help.
Eg. We helped Bhutan against China as we are sworn to do through treaty with Bhutan.
Which is probably a good thing. Even the EU is planning to go its separate way. We could be seeing the beginning of the end of NATO.
I am not sure if it will be as easy for US to pull out from wars. Arms lobby is pretty strong in US and they need constant wars in the world to make profits.
Either they will make US fight or incite wars among other nations.
 
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India is happy to sit in its neighborhood and make economic deals.
We can play a cop in subcontinent but only through cooperation. We dont want to impose on nations who dont want our help.
Eg. We helped Bhutan against China as we are sworn to do through treaty with Bhutan.

I am not sure if it will be as easy for US to pull out from wars. Arms lobby is pretty strong in US and they need constant wars in the world to make profits.
Either they will make US fight or incite wars among other nations.

LMAO, if wishes were horses, beggars would ride. The day you'll become the cop of Sub-continent where Pakistan is do let us know.
 
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Great news for people of the US

Hopefully this forces em to negotiate a 3 way deal with China, Pak, India on disputed territories (as president Xi reccamonded)

Be flexible and end this hostility once and for all
Personally although many will not like this, but India will never be flexible to negotiate the Kashmir dispute to hold a referendum on what the people of Kashmir want.
Kashmir dispute will be resolved in another world war or regional war involving Pakistan and China versus India.

I hope India one day agrees to hold a plebiscite to decide the destiny of the Kashmir dispute, but personally I think the matter can only be solved through war, because of India's arrogance and obstinate nature.
 
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LMAO, if wishes were horses, beggars would ride. The day you'll become the cop of Sub-continent were Pakistan is do let us know.
they are the cop of SA minus Pak, fight between China and India is at a more deeper level
China coming to its backyard or India joining quad, propagating itself as future superpower (depending on which perspective you look at it from)

IF somehow hostilities decrease, China will retreat from SC and let India handle its backyard (except for Pak of course as Pak serves multiple geographical purposes, its not limited to just South Asia (case in point when India and China were friend"ish" it didn't impact Pak-China relationship)
 
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It was welcome in 1948/49 but Pakistan did not co-operate. Now it is irrelevant.
Actually it was India that did not cooperate, both armies have to withdraw to hold the free and fair plebiscite.

Xi Jinping doesn't care about what India says, because the Chinese themselves know the matter can only be solved through war as well.

If Negotiations could worked it would have worked in 1948.

In the Shimla agreement, third party can be used if bilateral solutions do not work out. Stop lying here.
they are the cop of SA minus Pak, fight between China and India is at a more deeper level
China coming to its backyard or India joining quad, propagating itself as future superpower (depending on which perspective you look at it from)

IF somehow hostilities decrease, China will retreat from SC and let India handle its backyard (except for Pak of course as Pak serves multiple geographical purposes, its not limited to just South Asia (case in point when India and China were friend"ish" it didn't impact Pak-China relationship)
India has two territorial disputes with China. One called Aksai Chin and South Tibet.

India will not win this.
 
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It was welcome in 1948/49 but Pakistan did not co-operate. Now it is irrelevant.
All lies. Plebiscite is part of the United Nations Resolutions. Then India going to the United Nations first is irrelevant as well. So is the Shimla Agreement of 1972 is also irrelevant as well, going by your logic.

Anyways, we know this is India's fault. There will be a big war to determine Kashmir.
 
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Personally although many will not like this, but India will never be flexible to negotiate the Kashmir dispute to hold a referendum on what the people of Kashmir want.
Kashmir dispute will be resolved in another world war or regional war involving Pakistan and China versus India.

I hope India one day agrees to hold a plebiscite to decide the destiny of the Kashmir dispute, but personally I think the matter can only be solved through war, because of India's arrogance and obstinate nature.
imo Pak will accept Kashmir status quo (not a popular move but will happen if there's a chance of closi8ng the chapter) with some assurances as in water, greater Kashmir autonomy, less restrictive borders of Kashmir etc,
current India may not be up to it but if they come to their senses down the line in future - its a decent deal

Either do this and/or do a deal with China as in Arunachal Pradesh, Ladakh and multiple other disputes etc

a hostile neighborhood blocking em off from rest of Asia, retreating US (so no support), and a powerful neighbor taking away your old alliances, or proxy states little by little - so not a bad deal in the grand scheme of things all things considering

India should start acting as a sea focused country( if it plans to fight on), it'll be beneficial for them in the long run
current land focus should change (and is rightfully changing) to a more maritime focused country

think of yourself as an Island nation
 
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