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Bhensa has been controlled.

The original page was not removed by FB. And there is a new page now with the same material.

So FB obviously does not find it in violation of its rules.

Pakistan's Interior minister apparently agrees with FB's actions too.
 
The original page was not removed by FB. And there is a new page now with the same material.

So FB obviously does not find it in violation of its rules.

Pakistan's Interior minister apparently agrees with FB's actions too.
Only someone as sick as you would be touting that info so proudly. True colors showing through.
 
The original page was not removed by FB. And there is a new page now with the same material.

So FB obviously does not find it in violation of its rules.

Pakistan's Interior minister apparently agrees with FB's actions too.
No stop misquoting Ch.Nisar, he denied fake news reports that alleged that the government registered cases against those extremists. He did not deny that those extremists did not commit blasphemy.
Those pages are against Facebook's rules, the problem is that most people don't know how to report these pages. Facebook doesn't check each page manually when it is created, it only checks them when reported.

"Content that attacks people based on their actual or perceived race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sex, gender or gender identity, sexual orientation, disability or disease is not allowed."

Is this not clear for you?
 
The truth has no color at all. The following remain facts:

The original page was not removed by FB. And there is a new page now with the same material. And the Interior Minister has confirmed that there is no official action pending against the disappeared.

Good enough for me.
 
The truth has no color at all. The following remain facts:

The original page was not removed by FB. And there is a new page now with the same material. And the Interior Minister has confirmed that there is no official action pending against the disappeared.

Good enough for me.
now read and reply to my post above this.
 
The truth has no color at all. The following remain facts:

The original page was not removed by FB. And there is a new page now with the same material. And the Interior Minister has confirmed that there is no official action pending against the disappeared.

Good enough for me.
What remains a fact is that you love the fact that someone actually made an FB page to insult Islam and everything linked to it.
 
Respect I think we are agreed that no one in his right mind will support blasphemy including syed. There is no proof syed "loves the fact that someone has made an FB page insulting Islam"... we are merely talking about reaction which can be Qadri like or tolerant like.

Though I do not agree with most of brother @Syed.Ali.Haider 's views he provides a critical perspective that should not be ignored. His views are vastly different from even my secular tastes and his support for America is linked to him staying there and seeing the positive things in that society though there are negative factors too.

But imagine a society with no critics. Such a society will have no one to check the power of the clergy or even clip the wings of liberals like me or present views that may help us improve and fix mistakes. The problem isn't syed. As usual it is incapability to stomach different views by certain person.

I have nothing against this one person. But unfortunately he is too sensitive. If we lose our cool so quickly how will we precisely deal with the thousands of anti Islam pages by presenting a positive image of Islam? Bhensa was a page I had not even heard about but in the west there are many more, most not in urdu and for the western reader. We need people who can control their shit, so to speak.

As for this topic. Its been discussed relentlessly. I have been trying to keep away from this thread. In the coming years Pakistanis different schools of thoughts ability to work together will prove pivotal to the growth of Pakistan, economically, martially and in many other ways. We all want whats best for it khafee. Whether you admit it or not.
 
Respect I think we are agreed that no one in his right mind will support blasphemy including syed. There is no proof syed "loves the fact that someone has made an FB page insulting Islam"... we are merely talking about reaction which can be Qadri like or tolerant like.

Though I do not agree with most of brother @Syed.Ali.Haider 's views he provides a critical perspective that should not be ignored. His views are vastly different from even my secular tastes and his support for America is linked to him staying there and seeing the positive things in that society though there are negative factors too.

But imagine a society with no critics. Such a society will have no one to check the power of the clergy or even clip the wings of liberals like me or present views that may help us improve and fix mistakes. The problem isn't syed. As usual it is incapability to stomach different views by certain person.

I have nothing against this one person. But unfortunately he is too sensitive. If we lose our cool so quickly how will we precisely deal with the thousands of anti Islam pages by presenting a positive image of Islam? Bhensa was a page I had not even heard about but in the west there are many more, most not in urdu and for the western reader. We need people who can control their shit, so to speak.

As for this topic. Its been discussed relentlessly. I have been trying to keep away from this thread. In the coming years Pakistanis different schools of thoughts ability to work together will prove pivotal to the growth of Pakistan, economically, martially and in many other ways. We all want whats best for it khafee. Whether you admit it or not.

Thank you, but I am not the topic here, nor any other member.

What Pakistan needs to do is to find the missing persons as a matter of urgency.
 
The death of due process of law for all citizenry is indeed a matter of mourning for civilized societies.
 
Here is a take on the issue from the Chinese press:

http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/polit...-pakistan-feeling-spooked-over-missing-social

  • THE DISAPPEARED: WHY PAKISTAN IS FEELING SPOOKED OVER MISSING SOCIAL MEDIA ACTIVISTS
The suspected abductions of five social media personalities have fuelled fears the country’s formidable national security apparatus is expanding its reach, opening a ‘dark new chapter’ for civil society

BY TOM HUSSAIN

23 JAN 2017

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Pakistani rights activists hold images of bloggers who have disappeared, during a protest in Lahore on January 12. Photo: AFP


The disappearances this month of five Pakistani social media activists have fuelled a rare public examination of the pervasive powers wielded by the country’s national security apparatus and the elected government’s inability to rein them in.

The five men were detained in Islamabad, the capital, and in and around the populous eastern city of Lahore between January 4 and 7, all by plain-clothed men riding pickup trucks.

No shots were fired during the detentions, nor any claims of responsibility made. The only communications were sent to family members from personal devices by abductors posing as abductees. The wife of respected leftist poet and blogger Salman Haider was instructed to collect his car from a highway junction on the outskirts of Islamabad.

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A supporter of Awami Worker Party holds a portrait of missing university professor Salman Haider during a demonstration to condemn the missing human rights activists, in Karachi, Pakistan. Photo: AP


Human rights groups were quick to draw a parallel between the disappearances of the activists and those of scores of people who regularly go missing from areas of Pakistan affected by two-decades-old insurgencies by the Taliban in northwest tribal areas bordering Afghanistan and by separatists waging a low-intensity rebellion in the western province of Baluchistan.

Baluchistan is home to the port of Gwadar, the focal point of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), a US$51.5 billion investment programme that is part of President Xi Jinping’s (習近平) One Belt, One Road trade initiative to improve China’s connectivity with its neighbours.

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Chinese trucks carrying trade goods are pictured parked at the Gwadar port, some 700km west of Karachi. Photo: AFP


By the end of 2014, the number of people missing and feared dead in the country rose to 5,149, according to Defence of Human Rights, a Pakistani non-governmental organisation.

The Twitter hashtag #RecoverSalmanHaider, started by his younger brother to spread the news of his disappearance, quickly trended as emotional activists blamed the national security apparatus for the disappearances of the five men.

Pakistani right-wingers cry ‘blasphemy’ to muzzle liberals

“This is the sensitive state. It is a sign of weakness that if anybody criticises their policies, all their Facebook pages have been shut down and deleted, and these people have been abducted,” said Jibran Nasir, a prominent human rights activist, in a television appearance.

Pakistanis active on social media were drawn to a poem written by Haider and published last July in Tanqeed (criticism), an e-zine he co-edits:

Right now the friends of my friends are being ‘disappeared’

Soon it will be my friends’ turn

And then mine …

When I become the file

That my father will bring to court hearings

Or the picture that my son will kiss when asked by a journalist

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Supporters of Awami Worker Party hold a demonstration to condemn the missing human rights activists, in Karachi, Pakistan. Photo: AFP


However, some are perplexed that the five social media activists have been singled out for abduction. “All are known for airing their views, sometimes critical of authority, extremism and intolerance, on social media,” noted the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan. But none of them are considered controversial or renowned outside civil society. Haider’s poem on missing people had attracted only 158 likes on Tanqeed ’s Facebook page.

Pakistan’s powerful army chief backs China investment deal in remote Baluchistan

Fearing that the disappearances might herald a wave of detentions under a new cybercrime law enacted last August, activists recanted their unsubstantiated accusations against the military or deleted them from social media accounts. Others deactivated or deleted their social media pages altogether.

Nonetheless, public concern over the suspected role of the security agencies continued to grow as Pakistanis backed activists’ calls, under the Twitter hashtag #RecoverAllActivists, for due legal process to be accorded to the missing activists if, in fact, they had been detained for violating the cybercrime law.

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Pakistan's Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. Photo: AFP


Pressure has built on Nawaz Sharif, the prime minister, to fulfil promises to bring a halt to illegal detentions. Interior Minister Nisar Ali Khan has told members of the Senate, the upper house of Pakistan’s parliament, that “this government is not in the business of abducting people and we will not tolerate such disappearances while we are in power”.

However, the government’s inability to provide any information on the missing activists has fed perceptions that it does not want to antagonise the powerful military.

The Pakistani girls used as payments for never-ending debts

“With the disappearance of Salman Haider and … [four] other activists, a dark new chapter in the state’s murky, illegal war against civil society appears to have been opened,” the country’s top English newspaper, Dawn, said in an editorial written in response to the interior minister’s comments. Haider blogs for the newspaper.

“Where once-missing persons belonged to the remote areas of the country … and mostly involved those accused of waging war against the Pakistani state, the tactic has now clearly been broadened to encompass anyone who is deemed an irritant to state policy – or the policies of a state within the state.”

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Pakistani military cadets march on the birth anniversary of the country's founder Mohammad Ali Jinnah at his mausoleum in Karachi on December 25. Photo: AFP


Throughout the controversy, the military’s propaganda arm, the Inter Services Public Relations directorate, has offered no comment. Instead, popular pro-military social media pages have launched a campaign alleging that the missing activists were the administrators of a secular activist Facebook page named Bhensa (buffalo), notorious for mocking the national security apparatus and religious extremists.

On that pretext, Cyber Force for Pakistan, a Facebook page liked by more 400,000 people, has accused the missing activists of being funded by India’s intelligence services. Similarly, Defence Pakistan, a pro-military page with more than 7 million followers, has equated content purportedly written for Bhensa by the missing activists as blasphemous.

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Pakistani mourners load the coffin of one of those killed in an attack on the Police Training College Baluchistan onto a van in Quetta on October 25, 2016. Pakistan mourned the killing of at least 61 people in a brutal gun and suicide bomb assault on a police academy, the deadliest attack on a security installation in the country's history. Photo: AFP


In turn, that has prompted a wave of social media posts demanding that they be prosecuted for insulting the Prophet Mohammed, an offence punishable under law by the death sentence. In turn, rights activists have demanded the government prosecute the administrators of Defence Pakistan on charges of incitement to violence. “Attempts are being made to set our country on fire and to divide it,” said Nasir on social media. “For God’s sake, think about what you are doing, repent, think about the future of this country.”
 
Here is a take on the issue from the Chinese press:

http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/polit...-pakistan-feeling-spooked-over-missing-social

  • THE DISAPPEARED: WHY PAKISTAN IS FEELING SPOOKED OVER MISSING SOCIAL MEDIA ACTIVISTS
The suspected abductions of five social media personalities have fuelled fears the country’s formidable national security apparatus is expanding its reach, opening a ‘dark new chapter’ for civil society

BY TOM HUSSAIN


23 JAN 2017

fdd896d4-dd34-11e6-8fcb-68eb4ed74971_1280x720.jpg

Pakistani rights activists hold images of bloggers who have disappeared, during a protest in Lahore on January 12. Photo: AFP


The disappearances this month of five Pakistani social media activists have fuelled a rare public examination of the pervasive powers wielded by the country’s national security apparatus and the elected government’s inability to rein them in.

The five men were detained in Islamabad, the capital, and in and around the populous eastern city of Lahore between January 4 and 7, all by plain-clothed men riding pickup trucks.

No shots were fired during the detentions, nor any claims of responsibility made. The only communications were sent to family members from personal devices by abductors posing as abductees. The wife of respected leftist poet and blogger Salman Haider was instructed to collect his car from a highway junction on the outskirts of Islamabad.

eec840ee-dd35-11e6-8fcb-68eb4ed74971_660x385.jpg

A supporter of Awami Worker Party holds a portrait of missing university professor Salman Haider during a demonstration to condemn the missing human rights activists, in Karachi, Pakistan. Photo: AP


Human rights groups were quick to draw a parallel between the disappearances of the activists and those of scores of people who regularly go missing from areas of Pakistan affected by two-decades-old insurgencies by the Taliban in northwest tribal areas bordering Afghanistan and by separatists waging a low-intensity rebellion in the western province of Baluchistan.

Baluchistan is home to the port of Gwadar, the focal point of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), a US$51.5 billion investment programme that is part of President Xi Jinping’s (習近平) One Belt, One Road trade initiative to improve China’s connectivity with its neighbours.

4342d690-dd34-11e6-8fcb-68eb4ed74971_660x385.JPG

Chinese trucks carrying trade goods are pictured parked at the Gwadar port, some 700km west of Karachi. Photo: AFP


By the end of 2014, the number of people missing and feared dead in the country rose to 5,149, according to Defence of Human Rights, a Pakistani non-governmental organisation.

The Twitter hashtag #RecoverSalmanHaider, started by his younger brother to spread the news of his disappearance, quickly trended as emotional activists blamed the national security apparatus for the disappearances of the five men.

Pakistani right-wingers cry ‘blasphemy’ to muzzle liberals

“This is the sensitive state. It is a sign of weakness that if anybody criticises their policies, all their Facebook pages have been shut down and deleted, and these people have been abducted,” said Jibran Nasir, a prominent human rights activist, in a television appearance.

Pakistanis active on social media were drawn to a poem written by Haider and published last July in Tanqeed (criticism), an e-zine he co-edits:

Right now the friends of my friends are being ‘disappeared’

Soon it will be my friends’ turn

And then mine …

When I become the file

That my father will bring to court hearings

Or the picture that my son will kiss when asked by a journalist

ee86b76e-dd35-11e6-8fcb-68eb4ed74971_660x385.jpg

Supporters of Awami Worker Party hold a demonstration to condemn the missing human rights activists, in Karachi, Pakistan. Photo: AFP


However, some are perplexed that the five social media activists have been singled out for abduction. “All are known for airing their views, sometimes critical of authority, extremism and intolerance, on social media,” noted the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan. But none of them are considered controversial or renowned outside civil society. Haider’s poem on missing people had attracted only 158 likes on Tanqeed ’s Facebook page.

Pakistan’s powerful army chief backs China investment deal in remote Baluchistan

Fearing that the disappearances might herald a wave of detentions under a new cybercrime law enacted last August, activists recanted their unsubstantiated accusations against the military or deleted them from social media accounts. Others deactivated or deleted their social media pages altogether.

Nonetheless, public concern over the suspected role of the security agencies continued to grow as Pakistanis backed activists’ calls, under the Twitter hashtag #RecoverAllActivists, for due legal process to be accorded to the missing activists if, in fact, they had been detained for violating the cybercrime law.

c410160c-dd34-11e6-8fcb-68eb4ed74971_660x385.JPG

Pakistan's Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. Photo: AFP


Pressure has built on Nawaz Sharif, the prime minister, to fulfil promises to bring a halt to illegal detentions. Interior Minister Nisar Ali Khan has told members of the Senate, the upper house of Pakistan’s parliament, that “this government is not in the business of abducting people and we will not tolerate such disappearances while we are in power”.

However, the government’s inability to provide any information on the missing activists has fed perceptions that it does not want to antagonise the powerful military.

The Pakistani girls used as payments for never-ending debts

“With the disappearance of Salman Haider and … [four] other activists, a dark new chapter in the state’s murky, illegal war against civil society appears to have been opened,” the country’s top English newspaper, Dawn, said in an editorial written in response to the interior minister’s comments. Haider blogs for the newspaper.

“Where once-missing persons belonged to the remote areas of the country … and mostly involved those accused of waging war against the Pakistani state, the tactic has now clearly been broadened to encompass anyone who is deemed an irritant to state policy – or the policies of a state within the state.”

5383eda2-dd37-11e6-8fcb-68eb4ed74971_660x385.jpg

Pakistani military cadets march on the birth anniversary of the country's founder Mohammad Ali Jinnah at his mausoleum in Karachi on December 25. Photo: AFP


Throughout the controversy, the military’s propaganda arm, the Inter Services Public Relations directorate, has offered no comment. Instead, popular pro-military social media pages have launched a campaign alleging that the missing activists were the administrators of a secular activist Facebook page named Bhensa (buffalo), notorious for mocking the national security apparatus and religious extremists.

On that pretext, Cyber Force for Pakistan, a Facebook page liked by more 400,000 people, has accused the missing activists of being funded by India’s intelligence services. Similarly, Defence Pakistan, a pro-military page with more than 7 million followers, has equated content purportedly written for Bhensa by the missing activists as blasphemous.

748f0e04-dd33-11e6-8fcb-68eb4ed74971_660x385.JPG

Pakistani mourners load the coffin of one of those killed in an attack on the Police Training College Baluchistan onto a van in Quetta on October 25, 2016. Pakistan mourned the killing of at least 61 people in a brutal gun and suicide bomb assault on a police academy, the deadliest attack on a security installation in the country's history. Photo: AFP


In turn, that has prompted a wave of social media posts demanding that they be prosecuted for insulting the Prophet Mohammed, an offence punishable under law by the death sentence. In turn, rights activists have demanded the government prosecute the administrators of Defence Pakistan on charges of incitement to violence. “Attempts are being made to set our country on fire and to divide it,” said Nasir on social media. “For God’s sake, think about what you are doing, repent, think about the future of this country.”

Why isn't it surprising that "Tom Hussain" is saying this?
 

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