Better governance makes South India surge ahead of the North

[Kloitra]

Then why not look at Maharashtra's GDP without Mumbai ? or for that matter without Mumbai and Pune both ? Where will Maharasthra stand then ? or Karnataka without Bangalore ?

You can say that about all states without their main cities.

Mumbai, Pune, Kolkata, Hyderabad, etc etc lie in the state, and are developed by the state. My point was that NCR region is growing not because of UP but Delhi, a different state, and central govt. The contribution UP govt is zero in the sense that it is riding on that wave. It is not creating any foundation for such growth to happen, such as Ahemdabad, Hyderabad, Bangalore etc. This cities had the layout for growth planned and executed by their own state. So to me, it feels wrong to give any credit to UP state for any growth.

I am not saying that the growth doesn't adds to UP as a state and Western UP as a region, but saying western UP is growing gives a false sense that it is state driven. It might be that my perception is not shared by many, but I hate to give any credit whatsoever to this or any past govt of UP. And it gets bitter, read the wiki page for UP.

Between 1999 and 2008, the economy grew only 4.4% per year, one of the lowest rates in India.[3] But between 2007 and 2011 under the Mayawati govt, the economy grew at over 7% GDP growth rate in the time when Indian economy faced the melt down due to global recession.

Its as if her govt had any contribution.

PS: If you do go to wiki entry, don't miss the tourism section...

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Mumbai, Pune, Kolkata, Hyderabad, etc etc lie in the state, and are developed by the state. My point was that NCR region is growing not because of UP but Delhi, a different state, and central govt. The contribution UP govt is zero in the sense that it is riding on that wave. It is not creating any foundation for such growth to happen, such as Ahemdabad, Hyderabad, Bangalore etc. This cities had the layout for growth planned and executed by their own state. So to me, it feels wrong to give any credit to UP state for any growth.

I am not saying that the growth doesn't adds to UP as a state and Western UP as a region, but saying western UP is growing gives a false sense that it is state driven. It might be that my perception is not shared by many, but I hate to give any credit whatsoever to this or any past govt of UP. And it gets bitter, read the wiki page for UP.

Its as if her govt had any contribution.

PS: If you do go to wiki entry, don't miss the tourism section...

Hmm... I kind of do get your point now. But i still believe the much higher per capita income of Western U.P over Eastern U.P and other poorer regions can't be only because of Noida. Some of it ? yes , all of it ? no

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Mumbai, Pune, Kolkata, Hyderabad, etc etc lie in the state, and are developed by the state. My point was that NCR region is growing not because of UP but Delhi, a different state, and central govt. The contribution UP govt is zero in the sense that it is riding on that wave. It is not creating any foundation for such growth to happen, such as Ahemdabad, Hyderabad, Bangalore etc. This cities had the layout for growth planned and executed by their own state. So to me, it feels wrong to give any credit to UP state for any growth.

I am not saying that the growth doesn't adds to UP as a state and Western UP as a region, but saying western UP is growing gives a false sense that it is state driven. It might be that my perception is not shared by many, but I hate to give any credit whatsoever to this or any past govt of UP. And it gets bitter, read the wiki page for UP.

Its as if her govt had any contribution.

PS: If you do go to wiki entry, don't miss the tourism section...

Agree with your entire point however, the comparison with Punjab is not correct.

Punjab saw an insurgency only during the 80s for the most part.

Whereas North-East has been troubled right since independence. Things have improved in the NE only in the last 10 years.

 

[Kaniska]

Culture in the south is "self help" and get up if you fall (relatively speaking).

Culture in the north is "government help" and entitlements (relatively speaking).

In the north, especially in BIMARU states, if something is wrong with me, I'll blame the other ethnicity, government, other religion, and god too. But heavens forbid if I have to get up or even move my finger.


peace

You are spot on..Brutally you are true...Unfortunately...I am from one of the BIMARU state too..

 

[nastikan]

Haryana, Punjab, Delhi and Himachal are also in the North. Wonder why they left them out. Because they are doing well ?

Anyway , apart from the better governance , isn't it also a fact that the South has been richer right since the British era itself ?

Btw, most of the poverty in India comes not from Northern India but from Eastern India - Bihar, Eastern UP, Orissa, Chattisgarh, Jharkhand

Not really. Most of south except for pockets in Kerala were historically drought prone and millions died of hunger every decade. That's why They migrated in large numbers as indentured laborers to Malaysia,South Africa Fiji etc.

One of the most important factor in South's (especially Tamil Nadu) relatively better performance in spite of many hindrances is because of land reform and a sustained campaign to empower lower caste people.

Second reason is very low birth rate. the combined fertility rate of south is 1.8 . While that of northern states like UP and Bihar is around 4 . This was also achieved due to public awareness created by government campaigns.

Third, South was always less prone to violence and instability than north due to historical reasons.

Most of South India is still not a great place to live, but a place of relatively less misery.

 

[Aka123]

I know that South is more developed and all..but still, North has more life to it

Since I'm from Pakistani Punjab, I'll support North over South all day

yeah then say, that's your own opinion!! Well that's fine then. To every one home is the best. I am from East of India and for me West Bengal is best.

But I can't fight with that in a logical discussion only because I am from that place.

 

[xuxu1457]

Without governance, India will be better

 

[livingdead]

Bihar,Eastern U.P(poor part of U.P) , Jharkhand , Chattisgarh - Eastern India

M.P- Central india

Only Rajasthan and J&K are Northern states that you mentioned there. Anyway let's keep J & K out of this. Theirs is completely different situation.



Then why not look at Maharashtra's GDP without Mumbai ? or for that matter without Mumbai and Pune both ? Where will Maharasthra stand then ? or Karnataka without Bangalore ?

You can say that about all states without their main cities.

I included all the states which are traditionally called north, have considerable similarity in language, culture etc... in other words closest to hindi heart land.
You can add or remove states as per your wish. Not many will include bihar in east India although it looks so in the map.

Seems you took it in most narrowest sense and I took in broadest. Let people decide what is referred to when people talk about north-south divide.
North India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Jayanta]

Agree with your entire point however, the comparison with Punjab is not correct.

Punjab saw an insurgency only during the 80s for the most part.

Whereas North-East has been troubled right since independence. Things have improved in the NE only in the last 10 years.

I think you need to read a little bit on Indian history especially, NE. Insurgency did begin in NE, Mizoram was the first state to be created due to militancy. But as a whole situation was normal till 1984...when Assam agitation started. All major militant groups including ULFA, NSCN, BLT, NDFB were founded in 1980's and were in their peak in mid and late 80's. And then one after another militant group emerged.

Without governance, India will be better

Please, I know you have a red flag which gives you a licence to write crap/troll in PDF. But please stop wasting your time in matters where nobody gives a damn no matter what you write. If you got nothing to do, go out for a jog.

 

[Kloitra]

Hmm... I kind of do get your point now. But i still believe the much higher per capita income of Western U.P over Eastern U.P and other poorer regions can't be only because of Noida. Some of it ? yes , all of it ? no

It is a domino effect. Noida/Gaziabad etc (6 districts of 22 total) get developed. In turn surrounding economy develop. And then govt wakes up and do some development. Also, real estate has probably a big share in influx of money. Do you see any other source for development? There is none.

Agree with your entire point however, the comparison with Punjab is not correct.

Punjab saw an insurgency only during the 80s for the most part.

Whereas North-East has been troubled right since independence. Things have improved in the NE only in the last 10 years.

This wasn't meant for me, was it?

 

[Jayanta]

I included all the states which are traditionally called north, have considerable similarity in language, culture etc... in other words closest to hindi heart land.
You can add or remove states as per your wish. Not many will include bihar in east India although it looks so in the map.

Seems you took it in most narrowest sense and I took in broadest. Let people decide what is referred to when people talk about north-south divide.
North India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well thank you for putting that in...people really have a poor sense of geography and I wonder why are the states in the East are called North-East. This means, for the North Indians we are bunch of junglees from the East...where as for the South Indian we are a group of North Indians...as the call it NE.

 

[nastikan]

NE is underdeveloped so are many eastern states. Mostly its western and southern states which are engines of growth. North is waking up but east is still the same.
Reasons for backwardness in NE (as well as east) is terrain(many are hilly and forest areas, so have poor infrastructure), lack of investment by govt, poor local administration and most importantly lack of enterprenural class.

But most of North East except Assam and Arunachal has high HDI.

 

[Kloitra]

Well thank you for putting that in...people really have a poor sense of geography and I wonder why are the states in the East are called North-East. This means, for the North Indians we are bunch of junglees from the East...where as for the South Indian we are a group of North Indians...as the call it NE.

Are you a self hating Jung... err... person?

 

[ExtraOdinary]

I lived in Chennai for 6 months. Though I had problem with climate, food and language but law and order is very efficient in South. Police is very efficient, everyday when I went to office in morning there used to be literally a policeman/woman standing every few metres and directing traffic, up and running at 7:00 am. Not to mention gender equality, they have a lot of policewomen.

And LOL at people saying caste is not a factor in South. TN has 69% reservation I guess. Their politicians are just like our's but I guess their bureaucracy is very strong and efficient.

UP has many of the holiest sites of Hinduism and Buddhism so I doubt your claim

UP mein dum hai kyunki yahan jurm kam hai . Chill out man it's harmless banter, even I am basically from UP (well ex-UPite now) but I make fun of it all the time.

 

[J-30]

I would suggest you should have 6-8 lane express highway/frieght corridor running from delhi and crossing all teh eastern states and from calcutta go to Bangladesh and till agartala and mizoram going to burma , since burma has opened its econmy, it will be good economic sense for all the countries , bangladesh, india, maynammar..it is similar to like someone travelling from alaska to mainland usa, crosses canada and goes back to US...