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@flamer84

Here come your "allies" :suicide2:

Chancellor Angela Merkel's government – which has long complained of being a target of snooping by the US – is now facing a series of embarrassing reports that German spies themselves acted on behalf of the NSA to monitor allies like France as well as German companies.

:suicide::suicide:

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That's why we shouldn't trust anyone.

German intelligence helped the US National Security Agency (NSA) monitor the French presidential palace and foreign ministry officials as well as members of the European Commission, Germany’s Sueddeutsche Zeitung reported Thursday.

Germany's BND foreign intelligence agency helped the NSA perform "political espionage" by watching "top officials at the French foreign ministry, the Elysée Palace and the European Commission", the German paper will report in an article to be published in its Thursday edition.

"The heart [of the problem] is political espionage of European neighbours and institutions of the European Union," the Sueddeutsche Zeitung wrote, citing a source with knowledge of BND procedures.

Chancellor Angela Merkel's government – which has long complained of being a target of snooping by the US – is now facing a series of embarrassing reports that German spies themselves acted on behalf of the NSA to monitor allies like France as well as German companies.

Economic espionage

Citing intelligence agency documents, the Bild daily reported on Monday that Merkel’s office was informed in 2008 – during Merkel's first term – of German involvement in US economic espionage.

The Sueddeutsche Zeitung also reported that spying on companies took place in isolated cases as the United States searched for "information on illegal exports".

German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere, who served as chief of staff at the chancellor's office from 2005-2009, has offered to speak next week to a parliamentary committee looking into the NSA’s practices.

Merkel’s opposition has already accused the government of lying for saying in a written statement on April 14 that it knew nothing about economic espionage by the NSA.

"I reject categorically the assertion that the government has not told the truth," Merkel spokesman Steffen Seibert said Wednesday at a previously scheduled press conference.

The latest revelations follow reports last week in Der Spiegel’s online edition that BND officials indirectly helped the NSA to spy on European targets, including German interests, over more than 10 years. BND officials provided intelligence data in up to 40,000 instances in accordance with US requests, the report said.

One of the NSA’s targets was Franco-German aerospace company EADS, which renamed itself Airbus Group last year and is a competitor in some industries to US aerospace giant Boeing.

Der Spiegel said BND officials passed on Internet IP addresses as well as mobile phone numbers to the NSA. The transfer of information was first detected internally in 2008 but was not reported to the chancellor’s office in full until last month, it said.

Germany reacted with outrage at revelations in 2013 by US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden that the NSA was conducting massive sweeps of Internet and phone data, including within Germany.

The revelations, which included claims that the NSA tapped Merkel's personal mobile phone, strained ties between Washington and Berlin.

france 24 - Berlin spied on France for the NSA, German media say - France 24
 
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@flamer84

Here come your "allies" :suicide2:

Chancellor Angela Merkel's government – which has long complained of being a target of snooping by the US – is now facing a series of embarrassing reports that German spies themselves acted on behalf of the NSA to monitor allies like France as well as German companies.

:suicide::suicide:

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That's why we shouldn't trust anyone.

German intelligence helped the US National Security Agency (NSA) monitor the French presidential palace and foreign ministry officials as well as members of the European Commission, Germany’s Sueddeutsche Zeitung reported Thursday.

Germany's BND foreign intelligence agency helped the NSA perform "political espionage" by watching "top officials at the French foreign ministry, the Elysée Palace and the European Commission", the German paper will report in an article to be published in its Thursday edition.

"The heart [of the problem] is political espionage of European neighbours and institutions of the European Union," the Sueddeutsche Zeitung wrote, citing a source with knowledge of BND procedures.

Chancellor Angela Merkel's government – which has long complained of being a target of snooping by the US – is now facing a series of embarrassing reports that German spies themselves acted on behalf of the NSA to monitor allies like France as well as German companies.

Economic espionage

Citing intelligence agency documents, the Bild daily reported on Monday that Merkel’s office was informed in 2008 – during Merkel's first term – of German involvement in US economic espionage.

The Sueddeutsche Zeitung also reported that spying on companies took place in isolated cases as the United States searched for "information on illegal exports".

German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere, who served as chief of staff at the chancellor's office from 2005-2009, has offered to speak next week to a parliamentary committee looking into the NSA’s practices.

Merkel’s opposition has already accused the government of lying for saying in a written statement on April 14 that it knew nothing about economic espionage by the NSA.

"I reject categorically the assertion that the government has not told the truth," Merkel spokesman Steffen Seibert said Wednesday at a previously scheduled press conference.

The latest revelations follow reports last week in Der Spiegel’s online edition that BND officials indirectly helped the NSA to spy on European targets, including German interests, over more than 10 years. BND officials provided intelligence data in up to 40,000 instances in accordance with US requests, the report said.

One of the NSA’s targets was Franco-German aerospace company EADS, which renamed itself Airbus Group last year and is a competitor in some industries to US aerospace giant Boeing.

Der Spiegel said BND officials passed on Internet IP addresses as well as mobile phone numbers to the NSA. The transfer of information was first detected internally in 2008 but was not reported to the chancellor’s office in full until last month, it said.

Germany reacted with outrage at revelations in 2013 by US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden that the NSA was conducting massive sweeps of Internet and phone data, including within Germany.

The revelations, which included claims that the NSA tapped Merkel's personal mobile phone, strained ties between Washington and Berlin.

france 24 - Berlin spied on France for the NSA, German media say - France 24



Ah!!! Talk about hypocrisy eh?
 
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"Hurr durr,the Yanks are spying on us !"

"Hurr durr,the Poles and Romanians are US pawns!"

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They go and spy on France for the US.You can't make this stuff up.:rofl:
 
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"Hurr durr,the Yanks are spying on us !"

"Hurr durr,the Poles and Romanians are US pawns!"

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They go and spy on France for the US.You can't make this stuff up.:rofl:


Seriously, does the US really have that much influence on Europe and Japan?

:o:
 
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who ever gets the chance , they spy on other countries .. what's new in it ?? for US its nothing new to Spy on its Allies ..

Seriously, does the US really have that much influence on Europe and Japan?

:o:

you cant be serious right ??
i thought you should know that why US is still sitting in Japan ? for sushi ?
 
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who ever gets the chance , they spy on other countries .. what's new in it ?? for US its nothing new to Spy on its Allies ..



you cant be serious right ??
i thought you should know that why US is still sitting in Japan ? for sushi ?

Its just hard to imagine how much clout they have tho. Perhaps its denial in my part , sometimes.

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who ever gets the chance , they spy on other countries .. what's new in it ?? for US its nothing new to Spy on its Allies ..

I wouldn't be surprised if these 'American' teachers teaching english in Japan also spy in Japan.

LOL
 
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Its just hard to imagine how much clout they have tho. Perhaps its denial in my part , sometimes.

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I wouldn't be surprised if these 'American' teachers teaching english in Japan also spy in Japan.

LOL

ok i'll pass , as this is your first :D

well in this dirty world you can imagine anything , one of our Polio worker Spy of CIA :D
teachers are still educated one's and least suspects :P

P.S i was talking about the fleet of US stationed in Japan
 
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Yep,consequences of that WW2 defeat we were talking in another thread.It all looks nice 70 years later but defeated nations are still defeated nations despite their economical prosperity.

that will p!ssed off some Italians, Germans ,and Japanese Members here :\
 
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It is BND not Germany.Look at all available info online-intelligent agencies are country inside country.They are out of control.Theoretically they are under control of goverment,parlament,commision but practically they obey none and care for their own interests and priorities.BND even spied at German industrial companies on behalf of their buddies from NSA which speaks enough how much BND "care" for German national interests.
 
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that will p!ssed off some Italians, Germans ,and Japanese Members here :\


Well,it's the truth.There's a reason you don't see US bases in France or you see French troops doing their own policing around the world without giving a fxxk and shouting that they're the biggest pacifists out there (see Japan-Germany),and that reason is martial pride and victor's mentality.
 
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Well,it's the truth.There's a reason you don't see US bases in France or you see French troops doing their own policing around the world without giving a fxxk and shouting that they're the biggest pacifists out there (see Japan-Germany),and that reason is martial pride and victor's mentality.

Agreed , but its morally wrong to treat their allies this way , even after 7 decades of WW2 ,
 
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Agreed , but its morally wrong to treat their allies this way , even after 7 decades of WW2 ,


Morals got nothing to do with international politics.If somebody thinks that the US wants a strong EU with its own army they're dellussional.Also ,Europeans tolerate US hegemony because some became weaklings and a US hegemony is preferable to a Russian one.
 
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Morals got nothing to do with international politics.If somebody thinks that the US wants a strong EU with its own army they're dellussional.

well i guess not even EU thinks that USA ever Wanted a strong EU , its just US want EU to work for them , as a additional force and support ...
 
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